Hi,

My understanding is that the solvent accessible surface is not (yet) available in Chimera. However, Elaine showed me once how to get more or less such a surface: 

1. Before calculating the surface issue the chimera command: 

vdwdefine +1.4

which adds 1.4 A (roughly the usual radius for the water probe) to all atom radii

2. Show the surface

3. On the Model Panel, select the surface and under "attributes" change the probe radius to 0.5 It should be 0.0 but this is not possible. This means that intersections of atom spheres will be smoothed slightly. Still, the surface represents almost correctly the solvent accessible one.

The error on this surfaces doesn't depend directly on the quality of the electron density but on the accuracy of the atoms positions. Which of course depends on the data...

I hope it helps,


Miguel


Le 27 mars 09 à 16:59, David Chenoweth a écrit :



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From: David Chenoweth <dchen@caltech.edu>
Date: March 27, 2009 8:58:31 AM PDT
To: Elaine Meng <meng@cgl.ucsf.edu>
Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] accessible surface area for electron density maps

Hi Elaine and Murali,

I have a similar problem that I've been trying to resolve. Calculating the accessible surface or solvent accessible surface is also something I've been interested in doing with Chimera but I don't think the area of the molecular surface is the same as the solvent accessible surface area. I believe that accessible surface comes from the locus of the center of a spherical probe as it rolls over the Van der Waals surface of a molecule. The molecular surface uses the locus of the inward facing spherical probe. They both depend on the spherical probe size which is set to the appropriate solvent molecule. Can you tell me which of these two methods Chimera is using when it calculates the area (if either)? Is there a way to calculate the solvent accessible surface area of a molecule with Chimera or some way to manipulate the current area calculator to give this value? I also think that depending on the quality of the electron density map one could get very different results for this calculation (especially if there is missing electron density or at different map contour values). If anyone has any advice for the best way to calculate solvent accessible surface area I would really appreciate the help.

Thanks,
Dave Chenoweth

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On Mar 27, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Elaine Meng wrote:

Hi Murali,
If I understand correctly, you want to get the area of a contour
surface of the density shown using the Volume Viewer tool.  If you
want the total surface area, even of multiple separate blobs, use
"Measure Volume and Area."  If you want to measure the area of
different blobs individually, use "Measure and Color Blobs."

These can be started from the Tools menu of the Volume Viewer dialog,
and also from the main Chimera Tools menu (Tools... Volume Data...
[name of tool]).

For more details on how to use a tool, press the Help button on the
dialog.  That opens the documentation included with your download.
Our web site also has copies of the documentation:
<http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/current/docs/ContributedSoftware/measurevol/measurevol.html

<http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/current/docs/ContributedSoftware/pickblobs/pickblobs.html


I hope this helps,
Elaine
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On Mar 27, 2009, at 7:42 AM, Murali Ayaluru wrote:

Dear Chimera users,
I want to calculate the accessible surface area for an electron
density map (mrc format) that I am working on.  Can anyone, who
knows how to do this, tell me how to do this?
Thanks in advance for your reply,
Regards,
Murali

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