[Chimera-users] how to get translation and rotation vectors for move and turn commands

Hi, I have the same model loaded in Chimera twice. One model has been moved to a different position and rotated manually using mouse. How can I get x,y,z coordinates for the centers of the to models to calculate x,y,z axis definition compatible with the move command? And how to get rotation information for turn command? I tried with cofr command but it seems to give coordinates in different reference frame. I would like to avoid using savepos/reset/fly commands in this case. Python solution would be fine. Thanks in advance for your help, Jan