Hi, I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW). #0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5. Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed. C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85 In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions. best, Antón -- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain). tlf: (34) 981-167000 ext:2659 e-mail: antonvila.s@gmail.com
Hi Anton, I'm not certain why you don't want to split the chains, but it is possible to get Chimera to compute the per-chain surfaces without splitting the model. The simplest way is to use the Multiscale Models tool (in the Higher-Order Structure category). With that dialog up, click its "Make models" button. Then in the "Select chains" section at the top, click the "All" button. Then in the "Resolution" entry field near the center of the dialog type "0" (zero) and then click the "Resurface" button near that field. You will get some complaints about multiple-component surfaces failing, but since all the single-component surfaces work the entire structure will be surfaced. --Eric Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
Hi Anton, The molecular surface calculation (Actions / Surface / show) fails much more often with 64-bit Windows Chimera. The 32-bit Windows Chimera fails less often, and Linux and Mac versions fail in even fewer cases. Maybe Chimera 1.5 worked for you because it was 32-bit. Eric's trick of using the Multiscale dialog with resolution 0 computes the molecular surface for each chain separately. It should give the same result as splitting the molecule into chains with the "split" command and then surfacing. Tom -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] surface calculation From: Eric Pettersen To: Anton Vila Sanjurjo Date: 11/29/12 11:14 AM
Hi Anton, I'm not certain why you don't want to split the chains, but it is possible to get Chimera to compute the per-chain surfaces without splitting the model. The simplest way is to use the Multiscale Models tool (in the Higher-Order Structure category). With that dialog up, click its "Make models" button. Then in the "Select chains" section at the top, click the "All" button. Then in the "Resolution" entry field near the center of the dialog type "0" (zero) and then click the "Resurface" button near that field. You will get some complaints about multiple-component surfaces failing, but since all the single-component surfaces work the entire structure will be surfaced.
--Eric
Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
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Hi Eric, thanks for the help. I've tried the Multiscale Models tool with a couple of models of ribosomal subunits (2I2P and 3CPW) and, in both cases, it fails to render the RNA but not the proteins at resolution = 0. I have also tried a smaller RNA (tRNA, 1TRA) and it renders it fine. It also fails when I try a pdb file containing 23S rRNA from 3CPW. Antón On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Eric Pettersen <pett@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote:
Hi Anton, I'm not certain why you don't want to split the chains, but it is possible to get Chimera to compute the per-chain surfaces without splitting the model. The simplest way is to use the Multiscale Models tool (in the Higher-Order Structure category). With that dialog up, click its "Make models" button. Then in the "Select chains" section at the top, click the "All" button. Then in the "Resolution" entry field near the center of the dialog type "0" (zero) and then click the "Resurface" button near that field. You will get some complaints about multiple-component surfaces failing, but since all the single-component surfaces work the entire structure will be surfaced.
--Eric
Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
-- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain). tlf: (34) 981-167000 ext:2659 e-mail: antonvila.s@gmail.com
Hi Antón, The molecular surface calculation code in Chimera (MSMS from Michel Sanner) has not been changed since 2008 (prior to Chimera 1.3). So I am not sure why it would fail more often now. Possibly we have changed our standard atom radii in recent years, but I would not expect that to cause more failures. Tom
From: Anton Vila Sanjurjo Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] surface calculation Date: November 30, 2012 1:00:50 AM PST To: Tom Goddard
Hi Tom,
I had the same problem in Linux with the newer versions as well.
thanks,
Antón
On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo <antonvila.s@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eric,
thanks for the help. I've tried the Multiscale Models tool with a couple of models of ribosomal subunits (2I2P and 3CPW) and, in both cases, it fails to render the RNA but not the proteins at resolution = 0. I have also tried a smaller RNA (tRNA, 1TRA) and it renders it fine. It also fails when I try a pdb file containing 23S rRNA from 3CPW.
Antón
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Eric Pettersen <pett@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: Hi Anton, I'm not certain why you don't want to split the chains, but it is possible to get Chimera to compute the per-chain surfaces without splitting the model. The simplest way is to use the Multiscale Models tool (in the Higher-Order Structure category). With that dialog up, click its "Make models" button. Then in the "Select chains" section at the top, click the "All" button. Then in the "Resolution" entry field near the center of the dialog type "0" (zero) and then click the "Resurface" button near that field. You will get some complaints about multiple-component surfaces failing, but since all the single-component surfaces work the entire structure will be surfaced.
--Eric
Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
-- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain).
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We have not changed the default atomic radii since deciding on the original values, as far as I know. That was long before 2008. Elaine On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Tom Goddard wrote:
Hi Antón,
The molecular surface calculation code in Chimera (MSMS from Michel Sanner) has not been changed since 2008 (prior to Chimera 1.3). So I am not sure why it would fail more often now. Possibly we have changed our standard atom radii in recent years, but I would not expect that to cause more failures.
Tom
From: Anton Vila Sanjurjo Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] surface calculation Date: November 30, 2012 1:00:50 AM PST To: Tom Goddard
Hi Tom,
I had the same problem in Linux with the newer versions as well.
thanks,
Antón
On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo <antonvila.s@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eric,
thanks for the help. I've tried the Multiscale Models tool with a couple of models of ribosomal subunits (2I2P and 3CPW) and, in both cases, it fails to render the RNA but not the proteins at resolution = 0. I have also tried a smaller RNA (tRNA, 1TRA) and it renders it fine. It also fails when I try a pdb file containing 23S rRNA from 3CPW.
Antón
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Eric Pettersen <pett@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: Hi Anton, I'm not certain why you don't want to split the chains, but it is possible to get Chimera to compute the per-chain surfaces without splitting the model. The simplest way is to use the Multiscale Models tool (in the Higher-Order Structure category). With that dialog up, click its "Make models" button. Then in the "Select chains" section at the top, click the "All" button. Then in the "Resolution" entry field near the center of the dialog type "0" (zero) and then click the "Resurface" button near that field. You will get some complaints about multiple-component surfaces failing, but since all the single-component surfaces work the entire structure will be surfaced.
--Eric
Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
-- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain).
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Hi Anton, Yeah, on Windows machines it seems the RNA surface computation fails. Do you have any ability to use a Linux or Mac machine? The surfaces all work there. Sorry about this. On Windows, you can at least show the protein surfaces and RNA as ribbons by doing Actions->Ribbons->show after the Multiscale Models thing. --Eric On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi Eric,
thanks for the help. I've tried the Multiscale Models tool with a couple of models of ribosomal subunits (2I2P and 3CPW) and, in both cases, it fails to render the RNA but not the proteins at resolution = 0. I have also tried a smaller RNA (tRNA, 1TRA) and it renders it fine. It also fails when I try a pdb file containing 23S rRNA from 3CPW.
Antón
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Eric Pettersen <pett@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: Hi Anton, I'm not certain why you don't want to split the chains, but it is possible to get Chimera to compute the per-chain surfaces without splitting the model. The simplest way is to use the Multiscale Models tool (in the Higher-Order Structure category). With that dialog up, click its "Make models" button. Then in the "Select chains" section at the top, click the "All" button. Then in the "Resolution" entry field near the center of the dialog type "0" (zero) and then click the "Resurface" button near that field. You will get some complaints about multiple-component surfaces failing, but since all the single-component surfaces work the entire structure will be surfaced.
--Eric
Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
-- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain).
tlf: (34) 981-167000 ext:2659 e-mail: antonvila.s@gmail.com
Hi Eric, I have finally found some time to play with a Linux machine and you are perfectly right in that RNA surface computation works much better than on Windows. thanks, anton On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Eric Pettersen <pett@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote:
Hi Anton, Yeah, on Windows machines it seems the RNA surface computation fails. Do you have any ability to use a Linux or Mac machine? The surfaces all work there. Sorry about this. On Windows, you can at least show the protein surfaces and RNA as ribbons by doing Actions->Ribbons->show after the Multiscale Models thing.
--Eric
On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi Eric,
thanks for the help. I've tried the Multiscale Models tool with a couple of models of ribosomal subunits (2I2P and 3CPW) and, in both cases, it fails to render the RNA but not the proteins at resolution = 0. I have also tried a smaller RNA (tRNA, 1TRA) and it renders it fine. It also fails when I try a pdb file containing 23S rRNA from 3CPW.
Antón
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Eric Pettersen <pett@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote:
Hi Anton, I'm not certain why you don't want to split the chains, but it is possible to get Chimera to compute the per-chain surfaces without splitting the model. The simplest way is to use the Multiscale Models tool (in the Higher-Order Structure category). With that dialog up, click its "Make models" button. Then in the "Select chains" section at the top, click the "All" button. Then in the "Resolution" entry field near the center of the dialog type "0" (zero) and then click the "Resurface" button near that field. You will get some complaints about multiple-component surfaces failing, but since all the single-component surfaces work the entire structure will be surfaced.
--Eric
Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
-- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain).
tlf: (34) 981-167000 ext:2659 e-mail: antonvila.s@gmail.com
-- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain). tlf: (34) 981-167000 ext:2659 e-mail: antonvila.s@gmail.com
Hi Antón, It sounds like you have already tried our suggested tricks for getting the molecular surface calculation to work. The only other thoughts on that are to try a different computer, or maybe even a different daily build, to avoid the numerical failure. Alternatives to molecular surface calculation, assuming it is the display and not the surface area that you need: (a) Multiscale Models (as mentioned by Eric) although that would give a separate low-res surface blob for each chain, or the more detailed molecular surface for each chain if you set resolution to zero in that tool. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/multiscale/framemulti.html> (b) if you need a single surface enclosing all the atoms, you could try generating a density map from those atoms using the "molmap" command, then showing the map as an isosurface. The contour level, smoothing, etc. can be controlled with Volume Viewer or various commands. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/molmap.html> <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/volumeviewer/framevolumeviewer.html> I hope this helps, Elaine ---------- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. UCSF Computer Graphics Lab (Chimera team) and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
-- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain).
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On 11/30/2012 04:26 AM, Elaine Meng wrote:
Hi Antón, It sounds like you have already tried our suggested tricks for getting the molecular surface calculation to work. The only other thoughts on that are to try a different computer, or maybe even a different daily build, to avoid the numerical failure.
There is a famous computational geometry library (CGAL) that would not fail, whatever the input molecule is. http://www.cgal.org/Manual/latest/doc_html/cgal_manual/Skin_surface_3/Chapte...
Alternatives to molecular surface calculation, assuming it is the display and not the surface area that you need:
(a) Multiscale Models (as mentioned by Eric) although that would give a separate low-res surface blob for each chain, or the more detailed molecular surface for each chain if you set resolution to zero in that tool. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/multiscale/framemulti.html>
(b) if you need a single surface enclosing all the atoms, you could try generating a density map from those atoms using the "molmap" command, then showing the map as an isosurface. The contour level, smoothing, etc. can be controlled with Volume Viewer or various commands. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/molmap.html> <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/volumeviewer/framevolumeviewer.html>
I hope this helps, Elaine ---------- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. UCSF Computer Graphics Lab (Chimera team) and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
-- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain).
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I believe the CGAL 3D triangulation and alpha shapes licenses are GPL and we want an LGPL package for inclusion with Chimera. Conrad On 11/29/2012 4:51 PM, Francois Berenger wrote:
On 11/30/2012 04:26 AM, Elaine Meng wrote:
Hi Antón, It sounds like you have already tried our suggested tricks for getting the molecular surface calculation to work. The only other thoughts on that are to try a different computer, or maybe even a different daily build, to avoid the numerical failure.
There is a famous computational geometry library (CGAL) that would not fail, whatever the input molecule is.
http://www.cgal.org/Manual/latest/doc_html/cgal_manual/Skin_surface_3/Chapte...
Alternatives to molecular surface calculation, assuming it is the display and not the surface area that you need:
(a) Multiscale Models (as mentioned by Eric) although that would give a separate low-res surface blob for each chain, or the more detailed molecular surface for each chain if you set resolution to zero in that tool. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/multiscale/framemulti.html>
(b) if you need a single surface enclosing all the atoms, you could try generating a density map from those atoms using the "molmap" command, then showing the map as an isosurface. The contour level, smoothing, etc. can be controlled with Volume Viewer or various commands. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/molmap.html> <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/volumeviewer/framevolumeviewer.html>
I hope this helps, Elaine ---------- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. UCSF Computer Graphics Lab (Chimera team) and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
-- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain).
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On 12/01/2012 02:34 AM, Conrad Huang wrote:
I believe the CGAL 3D triangulation and alpha shapes licenses are GPL and we want an LGPL package for inclusion with Chimera.
It is also possible to buy a commercial license: http://www.cgal.org/license.html
Conrad
On 11/29/2012 4:51 PM, Francois Berenger wrote:
On 11/30/2012 04:26 AM, Elaine Meng wrote:
Hi Antón, It sounds like you have already tried our suggested tricks for getting the molecular surface calculation to work. The only other thoughts on that are to try a different computer, or maybe even a different daily build, to avoid the numerical failure.
There is a famous computational geometry library (CGAL) that would not fail, whatever the input molecule is.
http://www.cgal.org/Manual/latest/doc_html/cgal_manual/Skin_surface_3/Chapte...
Alternatives to molecular surface calculation, assuming it is the display and not the surface area that you need:
(a) Multiscale Models (as mentioned by Eric) although that would give a separate low-res surface blob for each chain, or the more detailed molecular surface for each chain if you set resolution to zero in that tool. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/multiscale/framemulti.html>
(b) if you need a single surface enclosing all the atoms, you could try generating a density map from those atoms using the "molmap" command, then showing the map as an isosurface. The contour level, smoothing, etc. can be controlled with Volume Viewer or various commands. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/molmap.html> <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/volumeviewer/framevolumeviewer.html>
I hope this helps, Elaine ---------- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. UCSF Computer Graphics Lab (Chimera team) and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anton Vila Sanjurjo wrote:
Hi,
I have seen posts regarding this problem before. Here is the log I got after attempting to render a surface representation of the 50S ribosomal subunit (rcsb ID: 3CPW).
#0, chain 0: 23S ribosomal rna #0, chain 1: L35E #0, chain 2: 50S ribosomal protein L44E #0, chain 4: 5'-R(*cp*cp*ap*(phe)*(aca))-3' #0, chain 9: 5S ribosomal rna #0, chain A: 50S ribosomal protein L2P #0, chain B: 50S ribosomal protein L3P #0, chain C: 50S ribosomal protein L4P #0, chain D: 50S ribosomal protein L5P #0, chain E: 50S ribosomal protein L6P #0, chain F: 50S ribosomal protein L7AE #0, chain G: HS6 #0, chain H: 50S ribosomal protein L10E #0, chain I: 50S ribosomal protein L13P #0, chain J: HMAL13 #0, chain K: 50S ribosomal protein L15P #0, chain L: 50S ribosomal protein L15E #0, chain M: 50S ribosomal protein LC12 #0, chain N: 50S ribosomal protein L18E #0, chain O: 50S ribosomal protein L19E #0, chain P: 50S ribosomal protein L21E #0, chain Q: HL31 #0, chain R: 50S ribosomal protein L23P #0, chain S: 50S ribosomal protein L24P #0, chain T: 50S ribosomal protein L24E #0, chain U: HL21/HL22 #0, chain V: 50S ribosomal protein L30P #0, chain W: 50S ribosomal protein L31E #0, chain X: 50S ribosomal protein L32E #0, chain Y: HL5 #0, chain Z: 50S ribosomal protein L37E C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 0 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags Surface calculation failed, mscalc returned code 5.
Surface calculation frequently fails for large, multi-chain structures. The calculation may be successful if the chains are treated individually, by using the "split" command before generating a surface. If splitting is not desired or the structure is already a single chain, changing molecular surface parameters in the Selection Inspector or (before surface creation) the New Surfaces category of Preferences may allow the calculation to succeed.
C:\Program Files\Chimera 1.7s\bin\mscalc.exe 1.400000 2.000000 1 MSMSLIB 1.3 started on Local PC Copyright M.F. Sanner (March 2000) Compilation flags
Surface 3CPW.pdb, category ligand, probe radius 1.4, vertex density 2 1 connected surface components Total solvent excluded surface area = 989.35 Total solvent accessible surface area = 1473.85
In this case, I am not interested in splitting the file into its individual chains. I have also unsuccessfully played with the probe-radius and vertex parameters. I should mention that I was able to get this to work with previous versions of Chimera (1.5.something) and that small proteins can be successfully rendered with the latest versions.
best,
Antón
-- Antón Vila-Sanjurjo, PhD Marie Curie fellow Grupo QOSBIOS, Dept. Química Fundamental Facultade de Ciencias Universidade de A Coruña (UDC) Campus Zapateira, s/n 15.071 - A Coruña - España (Spain).
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participants (6)
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Anton Vila Sanjurjo -
Conrad Huang -
Elaine Meng -
Eric Pettersen -
Francois Berenger -
Tom Goddard