
I have recorded a movie of a pdb in chimera with the following command: movie record supersample 3 . . movie stop movie encode bitrate 6000 mformat avi output ./pol_b_movie.avi I can import it into ppt (2004, V 11.3.5) on my Mac (OS X 10.4.11) and it plays fine in the editing mode, but when I go to the slideshow and start the movie, there is a blank screen for the duration of the movie. When it is done, it shows the standing slide again. Any idea what might be going on? Also, is there a better way to improve the resolution then setting the bitrate to 6000, 30 f/s? I have tried the supersample 3 option, but this does not seem to make much of a difference in the final movie. Any input is appreciated. Markus

Thursday 22 November 2007, Markus Voehler wrote: | I have recorded a movie of a pdb in chimera with the following | command: | | movie record supersample 3 | . | . | movie stop | movie encode bitrate 6000 mformat avi output ./pol_b_movie.avi | | I can import it into ppt (2004, V 11.3.5) on my Mac (OS X | 10.4.11) and it plays fine in the editing mode, but when I go to | the slideshow and start the movie, there is a blank screen for the | duration of the movie. When it is done, it shows the standing | slide again. Any idea what might be going on? | Also, is there a better way to improve the resolution then setting | the bitrate to 6000, 30 f/s? I have tried the supersample 3 | option, but this does not seem to make much of a difference in the | final movie. | | Any input is appreciated. | | Markus hi Markus, regarding the black screen: is it during presentation (on the external screen) or on the screen of the laptop? in dualhead-mode (two screens - i.e. beamer + internal panel) depending on your system you can get movies to work only on one, the main screen. about the quality loss: my guess is that the quality loss happens in the compression (mformat avi i do not like). i would suggest the following: * "encode" your movie in mpeg-1 or mpeg-2 ("DVD"-settings) in chimera (results in a quite big file, no loss in compression hopefully) and save it somewhere. * then, use ffmpeg [1] (how to get it to work on OS-X see [3] - i use linux, so i am not much help there) to convert it in a format you like/need - in the commandline do: ffmpeg -b 400 -qmin 3 -qmax 10 -i chimera-generated.mpg output.mov the default of ffmpeg is mpeg4 and i would suggest to put it in a Quicktime/MOV container. on OS-X with installed quicktime, powerpoint can handle this. but you can also use the avi container: just add "-f avi -vcodec mpeg4" to the parameters: ffmpeg -b 400 -qmin 3 -qmax 10 -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -i chimera-generated.mpg output.mov for details see [2], to find out what codecs and file formats you can use on your system run "ffmpeg -formats" and check the list (may be a long list). some windows machines do not like quicktime formats. then you can put it in another container - you can also use avi, no problem. with ffmpeg you can finetune the quality settings for encoding. an additional remark: use as big size of the movie as you can while generating ("resolution") because later, you can always make it smaller and the bigger the picture the better the quality in showing it fullscreen. hope it is some help, greetings, Damir [1] : http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ [2] : http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html [3] : http://stephenjungels.com/jungels.net/articles/ffmpeg-howto.html -- .·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ ° ° ° ° ° ° ><((((º> ° ° ° ° ° <º)))>< <º)))><

Hi Markus, There is some documentation of powerpoint blank movie problems and how to solve them, but they focus on Windows systems. In case anything is generalizable to the Mac, however, you could follow the two links to Microsoft support documents at the bottom of this page: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/movies.html#powerpoint Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng@cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html On Nov 21, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Markus Voehler wrote:
I have recorded a movie of a pdb in chimera with the following command:
movie record supersample 3 . . movie stop movie encode bitrate 6000 mformat avi output ./pol_b_movie.avi
I can import it into ppt (2004, V 11.3.5) on my Mac (OS X 10.4.11) and it plays fine in the editing mode, but when I go to the slideshow and start the movie, there is a blank screen for the duration of the movie. When it is done, it shows the standing slide again. Any idea what might be going on? Also, is there a better way to improve the resolution then setting the bitrate to 6000, 30 f/s? I have tried the supersample 3 option, but this does not seem to make much of a difference in the final movie.
Any input is appreciated. Markus

Hi Markus, First I'd suggest that the best supported movie format on the Mac is Quicktime, so you should use the Chimera movie command option "mformat mov", or leave the mformat option out since quicktime is the default. As Damir mentioned sometimes movies play on one screen but not a second one when two displays are used at the same time. I haven't seen that on a Mac but have on Linux. I would not expect this to be dependent on the movie format, but it is possible that some formats allow simultaneous display at two screen resolutions while others don't. It would be worth testing some other movie not made in Chimera in powerpoint in the same presentation to see if it is a specific problem to the Chimera movie. To get higher resolution you want to record the movie with a larger Chimera window. If you are going to play the movie full screen in a presentation than you need to record it with a large Chimera window so it does not have to be blown up too much which would make it blocky. The Chimera supersample option is just a way to smooth the appearance -- it doesn't increase the resolution. The movie encoding bit rate also does not increase the resolution -- it simply reduces the artifacts introduced by compression such as halos around objects. Tom

one of the primary problems has to do with the PC based powerpoint codec. In the PC based powerpoint, the codec for mpeg is not the same code for windows! they seemed to diverge many years ago and the PPT decoder is pretty limited; I only generate mpegs that are 640x480x24fps on PC PPTs; macs PPTs are fine including HD1080 spec. there is a way around the problem on PC, but it is pretty twisted using embedded objects, and it has limitations. vista+new powerpoint may have solved this. Matthew Dougherty 713-433-3849 National Center for Macromolecular Imaging Baylor College of Medicine/Houston Texas USA ========================================================================= ========================================================================= ________________________________ From: chimera-users-bounces@cgl.ucsf.edu on behalf of Thomas Goddard Sent: Mon 11/26/2007 4:21 PM To: Markus Voehler Cc: chimera-users@cgl.ucsf.edu Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] ppt and movies Hi Markus, First I'd suggest that the best supported movie format on the Mac is Quicktime, so you should use the Chimera movie command option "mformat mov", or leave the mformat option out since quicktime is the default. As Damir mentioned sometimes movies play on one screen but not a second one when two displays are used at the same time. I haven't seen that on a Mac but have on Linux. I would not expect this to be dependent on the movie format, but it is possible that some formats allow simultaneous display at two screen resolutions while others don't. It would be worth testing some other movie not made in Chimera in powerpoint in the same presentation to see if it is a specific problem to the Chimera movie. To get higher resolution you want to record the movie with a larger Chimera window. If you are going to play the movie full screen in a presentation than you need to record it with a large Chimera window so it does not have to be blown up too much which would make it blocky. The Chimera supersample option is just a way to smooth the appearance -- it doesn't increase the resolution. The movie encoding bit rate also does not increase the resolution -- it simply reduces the artifacts introduced by compression such as halos around objects. Tom _______________________________________________ Chimera-users mailing list Chimera-users@cgl.ucsf.edu http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users
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Damir Perisa
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Dougherty, Matthew T.
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Elaine Meng
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Markus Voehler
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Thomas Goddard