Click-and-drag selection still not working for chimera in Mac OSX....any plans for improvement
Hello Chimera users, I'm working with Chimera on an OSX 10.12.2 (intel core processor). I noticed that the click-and-drag selection function doesn't work, and saw a bug report from 2015 explaining it was because of the intel processor. However, it's 2018 now - does anyone know any fixes besides the wire display style? Thanks, Carmen
Hi Carmen, Certain Mac laptops with Intel graphics from circa 2015 have a graphics driver bug that Chimera prevents drag select from working atoms and sticks (although it works in wire style display). Unfortunately Apple abandoned effort on the OpenGL graphics library years ago in favor inventing their own new graphics library called Metal. Chimera has to work on Windows and Linux in addition to Mac so we do not use the Apple-only Metal library. While OpenGL continues to work on Mac computers, I would not expect Apple to fix any OpenGL graphics driver bugs. That said, you are running an old macOS version (10.12.2) and you would only get graphics driver fixes with never versions of the operating system. I doubt the latest macOS 10.13.6 fixes your problem, but I don’t have this relatively rare Mac laptop to test if it is fixed. Tom
On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Carmen Bayly wrote:
Hello Chimera users,
I'm working with Chimera on an OSX 10.12.2 (intel core processor). I noticed that the click-and-drag selection function doesn't work, and saw a bug report from 2015 explaining it was because of the intel processor.
However, it's 2018 now - does anyone know any fixes besides the wire display style?
Thanks,
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Hi Carmen, I also have this issue, but I’d never noticed it since I never use drag-select!!! I have a mid-2015 MacBook Pro with Intel processor and graphics, and can confirm that selection by dragging a rectangle over sticks/ribbon does not work even at OS 10.13.6. As mentioned, however, I never use drag-select, as it is imprecise and I am uncoordinated. I just use Ctrl-click (+ Shift to add to selection) to click on atoms and bonds directly, and then press keyboard up arrow to promote atoms/bonds -> residues -> (etc.) as described here: <http://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/selection.html#expandselect> I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. UCSF Chimera(X) team Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco
On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net> wrote:
Hi Carmen,
Certain Mac laptops with Intel graphics from circa 2015 have a graphics driver bug that Chimera prevents drag select from working atoms and sticks (although it works in wire style display). Unfortunately Apple abandoned effort on the OpenGL graphics library years ago in favor inventing their own new graphics library called Metal. Chimera has to work on Windows and Linux in addition to Mac so we do not use the Apple-only Metal library. While OpenGL continues to work on Mac computers, I would not expect Apple to fix any OpenGL graphics driver bugs.
That said, you are running an old macOS version (10.12.2) and you would only get graphics driver fixes with never versions of the operating system. I doubt the latest macOS 10.13.6 fixes your problem, but I don’t have this relatively rare Mac laptop to test if it is fixed.
Tom
On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Carmen Bayly wrote:
Hello Chimera users,
I'm working with Chimera on an OSX 10.12.2 (intel core processor). I noticed that the click-and-drag selection function doesn't work, and saw a bug report from 2015 explaining it was because of the intel processor.
However, it's 2018 now - does anyone know any fixes besides the wire display style?
Thanks,
Carmen
Thanks Tom, Elaine, I see - yes, my mac is from that era! Older, actually. Thanks for following up. Shame that Apple's not maintaining an OpenGL. Do you know if the bug disappears with newer macs? I really appreciate this software, by the way. Showing it to all my students! Carmen On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Elaine Meng <meng@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote:
Hi Carmen, I also have this issue, but I’d never noticed it since I never use drag-select!!! I have a mid-2015 MacBook Pro with Intel processor and graphics, and can confirm that selection by dragging a rectangle over sticks/ribbon does not work even at OS 10.13.6.
As mentioned, however, I never use drag-select, as it is imprecise and I am uncoordinated. I just use Ctrl-click (+ Shift to add to selection) to click on atoms and bonds directly, and then press keyboard up arrow to promote atoms/bonds -> residues -> (etc.) as described here: <http://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/ selection.html#expandselect>
I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. UCSF Chimera(X) team Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco
On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net> wrote:
Hi Carmen,
Certain Mac laptops with Intel graphics from circa 2015 have a graphics driver bug that Chimera prevents drag select from working atoms and sticks (although it works in wire style display). Unfortunately Apple abandoned effort on the OpenGL graphics library years ago in favor inventing their own new graphics library called Metal. Chimera has to work on Windows and Linux in addition to Mac so we do not use the Apple-only Metal library. While OpenGL continues to work on Mac computers, I would not expect Apple to fix any OpenGL graphics driver bugs.
That said, you are running an old macOS version (10.12.2) and you would only get graphics driver fixes with never versions of the operating system. I doubt the latest macOS 10.13.6 fixes your problem, but I don’t have this relatively rare Mac laptop to test if it is fixed.
Tom
On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Carmen Bayly wrote:
Hello Chimera users,
I'm working with Chimera on an OSX 10.12.2 (intel core processor). I noticed that the click-and-drag selection function doesn't work, and saw a bug report from 2015 explaining it was because of the intel processor.
However, it's 2018 now - does anyone know any fixes besides the wire display style?
Thanks,
Carmen
Hi Carmen, As Tom put it, "Certain Mac laptops with Intel graphics from circa 2015” like my laptop have the issue, but the other Macs in our lab (generally newer) do not. As I understand it, ihe processor is not the issue, it’s the graphics… two different things, for example, listed separately in the information dialog shown when you choose “About this Mac” from your apple menu. Elaine
On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Carmen Bayly <carmen.bayly@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Tom, Elaine,
I see - yes, my mac is from that era! Older, actually. Thanks for following up. Shame that Apple's not maintaining an OpenGL. Do you know if the bug disappears with newer macs?
I really appreciate this software, by the way. Showing it to all my students!
Carmen
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Elaine Meng <meng@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: Hi Carmen, I also have this issue, but I’d never noticed it since I never use drag-select!!! I have a mid-2015 MacBook Pro with Intel processor and graphics, and can confirm that selection by dragging a rectangle over sticks/ribbon does not work even at OS 10.13.6.
As mentioned, however, I never use drag-select, as it is imprecise and I am uncoordinated. I just use Ctrl-click (+ Shift to add to selection) to click on atoms and bonds directly, and then press keyboard up arrow to promote atoms/bonds -> residues -> (etc.) as described here: <http://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/selection.html#expandselect>
I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. UCSF Chimera(X) team Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco
On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net> wrote:
Hi Carmen,
Certain Mac laptops with Intel graphics from circa 2015 have a graphics driver bug that Chimera prevents drag select from working atoms and sticks (although it works in wire style display). Unfortunately Apple abandoned effort on the OpenGL graphics library years ago in favor inventing their own new graphics library called Metal. Chimera has to work on Windows and Linux in addition to Mac so we do not use the Apple-only Metal library. While OpenGL continues to work on Mac computers, I would not expect Apple to fix any OpenGL graphics driver bugs.
That said, you are running an old macOS version (10.12.2) and you would only get graphics driver fixes with never versions of the operating system. I doubt the latest macOS 10.13.6 fixes your problem, but I don’t have this relatively rare Mac laptop to test if it is fixed.
Tom
On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Carmen Bayly wrote:
Hello Chimera users,
I'm working with Chimera on an OSX 10.12.2 (intel core processor). I noticed that the click-and-drag selection function doesn't work, and saw a bug report from 2015 explaining it was because of the intel processor.
However, it's 2018 now - does anyone know any fixes besides the wire display style?
Thanks,
Carmen
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