Re: Glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D Monitor support
Hi Tom and Greg, Thanks so much for the infos. I am torn between the 2 ‘normal’ displays from Samsung or Acer, which are also cheaper. Quite early I guess, but I notice some general excitement so future developments are not of the table i assume? About the SBS: I noticed that it is a little complicated to get there, but it is possible to get ChimeraX into full screen, SBS on and all menus and bars including command prompt hidden. Isn’t this view a perfect SBS picture that the Samsung monitor should be able to use? Only question in this case would be if fullscreen mode is recognized as such by the monitor. If yes, shortcut to get there would be nice. [IMG_0568.jpeg] About the openXR: I found the following about the Samsung monitor in a review online: ‘I want to take a moment to talk about XRGameBridge and VRto3D. This is a reshade plugin that you use to mod your Steam VR instance so that, along with VRto3D makes your SR display mimics a VR headset in a sense. With those tools alone you can launch steam VR games in 3D on your Spatial Reality (SR) display. What really excites me about this is that the developers managed to activate the monitors 3D mode without any special sdk from Samsung. I didn't realize this at the time but it seems like all SR displays like Acer spatial labs and Lenovo Thinkvision 3D seem to use basically the same SR sdk, which may be made my Leia (makes of the lume pad and their own SR displays). This means that it might be possible for any developer to make some tools or apps to help round out this monitor’ Wouldn’t that be a possibility to get VR working? A mode to just isolate the main window and drag it and full screen it to the 3D monitor would be helpful, but it sounded like hard to realize. Thanks again Best André Am 22.06.2025 um 19:21 schrieb Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net>: Hi Andre, We discussed the Samsung Odyssey 3D on the ChimeraX mailing list last month https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/... The display manual does not mention OpenXR, only side-by-side stereo. https://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/202506/20250612182444761/BN81-... does not support fullscreen side-by-side stereo so it won't work with this display. We might in the future add support. Tom On Jun 22, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Greg Pintilie via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: Hi Andre, I can pass some information since I’ve been looking into this with Tom Goddard a lot recently, not with the Samsung monitor, but with two others that have the same technology: Tom has the ChimeraX latest builds working with the "Sony 3D Spatial Reality Display” monitors. You just have to connect the monitor, run ChimeraX and then type “xr on” in the command line. We also tried the "Acer 3D SpatialLabs ViewPro 27”, but Tom found bugs in their openXR implementation, so the latest ChimeraX is not working with this yet, but likely there will be a fix very soon. Tom has a modified version of ChimeraX that works with this monitor, but it is not released yet. You can google the above names, I would put links but they seem to vary by region. I am a huge fan of both of the above two monitors. The 3D effect is great, very useful for modeling and viewing complex models and 3D maps. Also super easy to run, compared to previous technologies. There are still some quirks, like that you have to interact with the 3D view on your main monitor, not on the 3D monitor directly. There are no tests yet of ChimeraX with the Samsung monitor, that I know of. It looks really nice, but I didn’t find any info on whether it supports openXR or not, which is what ChimerX is using. We had some discussion on this list recently about whether it’s worth using the SBS mode, which it apparently supports, but that mode has even more quirks, so would not encourage. Greg P. On Jun 21, 2025, at 11:54 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: Dear ChimeraX Team, I was wondering if you had experience with the glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D monitor or know if ChimeraX is supporting it? Maybe you got already feedback from some users, as this seems like the perfect solution to work with! <https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz...> <http://samsung-logo-1-1.jpg> Odyssey G9 27" 3D 4K Gaming Monitor with Speakers<https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz...> http://samsung.com<https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz-gaming-monitor-sku-ls27fg900xnxza/> Thank you Best, André —————————————————— André Michaelis Max-Planck Institute of Biochemistry Dept. 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Hi André, The way I think these 3D displays should work with ChimeraX is that ChimeraX is exactly the same on a 2D display, graphics and tool panels and everything. But if you have a Samsung, Sony, or Acer 3D display connected it can also show whatever is shown in the graphics in stereoscopic 3D. Having this extra monitor should in no way change how ChimeraX looks or functions on the 2D display. For most of what you do in ChimeraX you work as usual on the 2D display, and then for those cases where stereoscopic 3D is helpful you look over at the 3D display -- no switching modes in ChimeraX, no extra friction using the standard ChimeraX capabilities in 2D. I have little interest in making a mode where all the ChimeraX tool panels, command-line, toolbar, status line, menus are floating separately. No one has the pain tolerance to use that. And it will not be feasible to use those tool panels on the full-screen side-by-side 3D display (nor is it desirable since the resolution for viewing text is poor). You could drag a floating ChimeraX tool panel to the Samsung in 3D side-by-side mode and you will see it in one eye and it will be on top of the 3D model. That behavior is not useful. One of the limitations of side-by-side full screen stereo is that it will not handle user interface panels like the old LCD shutter glasses that used sequential stereo and had Nvidia driver integration so both eyes saw the entire desktop with user interface panels and the 3D model (non--overlapping). Regarding asking Samsung to give me a display, maybe you want to ask them to give me a display? It will likely go nowhere. I am not excited to get a Samsung display because there are other ChimeraX capabilities for me to work on that will be used by 100 times more people. Currently I am working on Boltz structure prediction which most of the ChimeraX users will be interested in. Few users can spend $2000 and up on a specialty display. Still I don't rule out some day finding time and a display to try to make those displays work bettter. Tom
On Jun 23, 2025, at 12:06 PM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote:
Hi Tom,
yes absolutely I agree, the best solution would be to either: Decouple (or even mirror) the viewer completely from the rest to let it run on a SR screen in full-screen mode and have all tools on a second screen which I think many would have (plus its anyway nice to work with more space 😊). The full screen could then either be used for xr mode or SbS. (Having the option to use both here is maybe the best solution to allow different compatibilities) Or Integration of interface controls on the same screen. For SbS this would requiring duplicating all menu items and only to have the viewer get the stereoscopic shift. Might be difficult to implement… And for OpenXR I am not sure how this would work best, but it sounded that for the Acer there might be a working solution with the next update? That’s why I suggested VRto3D, basically just as a replacement for the missing OpenXR on the Samsung which should make it run like the solution build for the Acer.
I am having some flashbacks to almost 10 years ago with my Nvidia Vision Display where I got this working somehow with PyMol, were stereoscopic was supported, but full screen without menu or adjusted wasn’t possible 😊
On your comment: I used full-screen mode on windows where the frame did hide. (ui fullscreen true, ui menubar false, ui statusbar false). I think the main think would if this is a true full-screen mode that will be recognized as such from the Samsung software (most should though). Instead of a short cut that hides everything, maybe one that undocks everything (including menubar since this one cant be at the moment) to be moved to a second screen is also an option since without command line its hard to exit fullscreen. But the general de-coupling of viewer is still cleaner as this workaround.
Also, can’t u ask Samsung to sponsor a screen for software development specifically for that?
Thanks again,
Best André
Von: Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net> Gesendet: Monday, 23 June 2025 16:18 An: Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> Cc: Greg Pintilie <gregdp@gmail.com>; chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu Betreff: Re: [chimerax-users] Glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D Monitor support
Hi André,
I don't think it is a good idea to use ChimeraX VR mode with VRto3D converting it to side-by-side stereo for the Samsung display. I think the fundamental problem in using the Samsung, Sony or Acer 3D displays or VR headsets is that the ChimeraX user interface controls become difficult to use. As you and others note it would be possible to switch between 3D stereo and 2D viewing to use interface panels. But I think this is so cumbersome that almost no one will find this productive. Who wants to buy a $2000 - $5000 display that makes most of the useful functions of ChimeraX (available through user interface panels) difficult to use?
The solution would be for ChimeraX to allow you to show the normal ChimeraX user interface and graphics on a 2d display, and simultaneously show the graphics on one of these 3D displays. Then the 3D display does not interfere with 90% of your work in ChimeraX where you are interacting with user interface panels.
I made a ChimeraX request describing this better way of using the Samsung display.
https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/18055
This doesn't mean we will implement it. If we don't have one of these Samsung 3D displays we will not develop for it since we have no way of testing it. Currently I have the Sony and Acer eye-tracked 3D displays on long-term loan so I am getting those to work better and I may add code to ChimeraX to enable dual display graphics for those that could make it easy to try with the Samsung display. Here are ChimeraX tickets describing progress supporting the Sony and Acer displays
https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/16864 https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/16865
Tom
On Jun 23, 2025, at 2:19 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de <mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>> wrote:
Hi Greg,
Thanks for you input. That does sound like using the ChimeraX VR support is the best and most optimal interface and way to go. I found this info:
‘VRto3D is a driver for SteamVR and SteamVR is a native OpenXR runtime. For SR displays, there's an additional step of installing reshade with 3D Game Bridge to SteamVR. Then any OpenXR game (I assume any application would work as well) will launch SteamVR and engage 3D. ‘
Sounds to me like this would be the way to go . Especially since it feel like that potential future developments and support on your site are more on the VR path.
Maybe I’ll get a chance to test this and let you know.
Best André
Am 22.06.2025 um 23:01 schrieb Greg Pintilie <gregdp@gmail.com <mailto:gregdp@gmail.com>>:
Hi Andre,
I have used this SBS mode with an older 3D projector, which flickers between each side coordinating with shutter glasses. It worked, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t work with the Samsung monitor as well. I think my comments on this from before were not stored in the thread, so here is a quick recap.
Annoying things with this mode:
- the eye tracking is likely not communicated to ChimeraX, as it would be via openXR - whether this is possible who knows, Tom indicated it may not be, and without a monitor to try it out, likely would not be worked on - so you have adjust the eye separation and distance to screen parameters yourself with ChimeraX commands to get a comfortable 3D effect - this will never be perfect, and your eyes will get tired quick; the new technologies that track your eyes make it a lot more comfortable - as Tom said, Chimera does not go into real full screen mode, so there may be edge effects which make the mode not perfect - the mouse cursor is only shown to one eye, so figuring out which side it’s on involves closing one eye - the rotation is from the center of the screen, so you have to move the mouse there for rotating, rather unnatural - selection happens on either left or right (with shutter glasses this seemed random), so a lot of times you’ll select the wrong thing, realize it, and move the mouse to the other side to select what you want, usually while closing one eye
All in all, I did use this mode for some time, and it’s still good to see things better in 3D. The other advantage of this mode is you could run it from Mac, Linux, or Windows, anything ChimeraX runs on. The openXR mode is only on windows right now.
Greg P.
On Jun 22, 2025, at 1:20 PM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de <mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>> wrote:
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Am 22.06.2025 um 20:45 schrieb Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de <mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>>:
Hi Tom and Greg, Thanks so much for the infos.
I am torn between the 2 ‘normal’ displays from Samsung or Acer, which are also cheaper. Quite early I guess, but I notice some general excitement so future developments are not of the table i assume?
About the SBS: I noticed that it is a little complicated to get there, but it is possible to get ChimeraX into full screen, SBS on and all menus and bars including command prompt hidden. Isn’t this view a perfect SBS picture that the Samsung monitor should be able to use? Only question in this case would be if fullscreen mode is recognized as such by the monitor. If yes, shortcut to get there would be nice.
About the openXR: I found the following about the Samsung monitor in a review online: ‘I want to take a moment to talk about XRGameBridge and VRto3D. This is a reshade plugin that you use to mod your Steam VR instance so that, along with VRto3D makes your SR display mimics a VR headset in a sense. With those tools alone you can launch steam VR games in 3D on your Spatial Reality (SR) display. What really excites me about this is that the developers managed to activate the monitors 3D mode without any special sdk from Samsung. I didn't realize this at the time but it seems like all SR displays like Acer spatial labs and Lenovo Thinkvision 3D seem to use basically the same SR sdk, which may be made my Leia (makes of the lume pad and their own SR displays). This means that it might be possible for any developer to make some tools or apps to help round out this monitor’
Wouldn’t that be a possibility to get VR working?
A mode to just isolate the main window and drag it and full screen it to the 3D monitor would be helpful, but it sounded like hard to realize.
Thanks again
Best André
Am 22.06.2025 um 19:21 schrieb Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net <mailto:goddard@sonic.net>>:
Hi Andre,
We discussed the Samsung Odyssey 3D on the ChimeraX mailing list last month
https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/...
The display manual does not mention OpenXR, only side-by-side stereo.
https://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/202506/20250612182444761/BN81-...
Chimerax does not support fullscreen side-by-side stereo so it won't work with this display. We might in the future add support.
Tom
On Jun 22, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Greg Pintilie via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu <mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu>> wrote:
Hi Andre,
I can pass some information since I’ve been looking into this with Tom Goddard a lot recently, not with the Samsung monitor, but with two others that have the same technology:
Tom has the ChimeraX latest builds working with the "Sony 3D Spatial Reality Display” monitors. You just have to connect the monitor, run ChimeraX and then type “xr on” in the command line.
We also tried the "Acer 3D SpatialLabs ViewPro 27”, but Tom found bugs in their openXR implementation, so the latest ChimeraX is not working with this yet, but likely there will be a fix very soon. Tom has a modified version of ChimeraX that works with this monitor, but it is not released yet.
You can google the above names, I would put links but they seem to vary by region. I am a huge fan of both of the above two monitors. The 3D effect is great, very useful for modeling and viewing complex models and 3D maps. Also super easy to run, compared to previous technologies. There are still some quirks, like that you have to interact with the 3D view on your main monitor, not on the 3D monitor directly.
There are no tests yet of ChimeraX with the Samsung monitor, that I know of. It looks really nice, but I didn’t find any info on whether it supports openXR or not, which is what ChimerX is using. We had some discussion on this list recently about whether it’s worth using the SBS mode, which it apparently supports, but that mode has even more quirks, so would not encourage.
Greg P.
On Jun 21, 2025, at 11:54 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu <mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu>> wrote:
Dear ChimeraX Team,
I was wondering if you had experience with the glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D monitor or know if ChimeraX is supporting it? Maybe you got already feedback from some users, as this seems like the perfect solution to work with!
<samsung-logo-1-1.jpg> Odyssey G9 27" 3D 4K Gaming Monitor with Speakers <https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz...> samsung.com <https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz...>
Thank you Best, André
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Hi Tom, yes, that’s sound like the best way to use it. No worries, appreciate you bringing important features to ChimeraX. Just wanted to float back a few ideas.. but mainly wanted to know if the Samsung would work before ordering it. And since you are doing some improvements with OpenXR this will be very helpful already. Sounds like ChimeraX supporting VR via OpenXR is the best strategy to move forward. The Samsung is indeed very expensive, but it is also quite new technology that was just released and is already below 2000k. I am sure it will drop significantly in the next years especially if it catches on for gaming. In case it is still of interest for you it seems like OpenXR also will work on Samsung if used via SteamVR and the plugin mentioned before. Here tested on a normal screen with just using ‘vr on’: [cid:image001.png@01DBE5BD.A6439C30] I can let you know if it will work on the Samsung if you are interested. Thanks again, Best André Von: Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net> Gesendet: Tuesday, 24 June 2025 17:03 An: Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> Cc: chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu Betreff: Re: [chimerax-users] Glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D Monitor support Hi André, The way I think these 3D displays should work with ChimeraX is that ChimeraX is exactly the same on a 2D display, graphics and tool panels and everything. But if you have a Samsung, Sony, or Acer 3D display connected it can also show whatever is shown in the graphics in stereoscopic 3D. Having this extra monitor should in no way change how ChimeraX looks or functions on the 2D display. For most of what you do in ChimeraX you work as usual on the 2D display, and then for those cases where stereoscopic 3D is helpful you look over at the 3D display -- no switching modes in ChimeraX, no extra friction using the standard ChimeraX capabilities in 2D. I have little interest in making a mode where all the ChimeraX tool panels, command-line, toolbar, status line, menus are floating separately. No one has the pain tolerance to use that. And it will not be feasible to use those tool panels on the full-screen side-by-side 3D display (nor is it desirable since the resolution for viewing text is poor). You could drag a floating ChimeraX tool panel to the Samsung in 3D side-by-side mode and you will see it in one eye and it will be on top of the 3D model. That behavior is not useful. One of the limitations of side-by-side full screen stereo is that it will not handle user interface panels like the old LCD shutter glasses that used sequential stereo and had Nvidia driver integration so both eyes saw the entire desktop with user interface panels and the 3D model (non--overlapping). Regarding asking Samsung to give me a display, maybe you want to ask them to give me a display? It will likely go nowhere. I am not excited to get a Samsung display because there are other ChimeraX capabilities for me to work on that will be used by 100 times more people. Currently I am working on Boltz structure prediction which most of the ChimeraX users will be interested in. Few users can spend $2000 and up on a specialty display. Still I don't rule out some day finding time and a display to try to make those displays work bettter. Tom On Jun 23, 2025, at 12:06 PM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu>> wrote: Hi Tom, yes absolutely I agree, the best solution would be to either: * Decouple (or even mirror) the viewer completely from the rest to let it run on a SR screen in full-screen mode and have all tools on a second screen which I think many would have (plus its anyway nice to work with more space 😊). The full screen could then either be used for xr mode or SbS. (Having the option to use both here is maybe the best solution to allow different compatibilities) * Or Integration of interface controls on the same screen. For SbS this would requiring duplicating all menu items and only to have the viewer get the stereoscopic shift. Might be difficult to implement… And for OpenXR I am not sure how this would work best, but it sounded that for the Acer there might be a working solution with the next update? That’s why I suggested VRto3D, basically just as a replacement for the missing OpenXR on the Samsung which should make it run like the solution build for the Acer. I am having some flashbacks to almost 10 years ago with my Nvidia Vision Display where I got this working somehow with PyMol, were stereoscopic was supported, but full screen without menu or adjusted wasn’t possible 😊 On your comment: I used full-screen mode on windows where the frame did hide. (ui fullscreen true, ui menubar false, ui statusbar false). I think the main think would if this is a true full-screen mode that will be recognized as such from the Samsung software (most should though). Instead of a short cut that hides everything, maybe one that undocks everything (including menubar since this one cant be at the moment) to be moved to a second screen is also an option since without command line its hard to exit fullscreen. But the general de-coupling of viewer is still cleaner as this workaround. Also, can’t u ask Samsung to sponsor a screen for software development specifically for that? Thanks again, Best André Von: Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net<mailto:goddard@sonic.net>> Gesendet: Monday, 23 June 2025 16:18 An: Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>> Cc: Greg Pintilie <gregdp@gmail.com<mailto:gregdp@gmail.com>>; chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> Betreff: Re: [chimerax-users] Glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D Monitor support Hi André, I don't think it is a good idea to use ChimeraX VR mode with VRto3D converting it to side-by-side stereo for the Samsung display. I think the fundamental problem in using the Samsung, Sony or Acer 3D displays or VR headsets is that the ChimeraX user interface controls become difficult to use. As you and others note it would be possible to switch between 3D stereo and 2D viewing to use interface panels. But I think this is so cumbersome that almost no one will find this productive. Who wants to buy a $2000 - $5000 display that makes most of the useful functions of ChimeraX (available through user interface panels) difficult to use? The solution would be for ChimeraX to allow you to show the normal ChimeraX user interface and graphics on a 2d display, and simultaneously show the graphics on one of these 3D displays. Then the 3D display does not interfere with 90% of your work in ChimeraX where you are interacting with user interface panels. I made a ChimeraX request describing this better way of using the Samsung display. https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/18055 This doesn't mean we will implement it. If we don't have one of these Samsung 3D displays we will not develop for it since we have no way of testing it. Currently I have the Sony and Acer eye-tracked 3D displays on long-term loan so I am getting those to work better and I may add code to ChimeraX to enable dual display graphics for those that could make it easy to try with the Samsung display. Here are ChimeraX tickets describing progress supporting the Sony and Acer displays https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/16864 https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/16865 Tom On Jun 23, 2025, at 2:19 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>> wrote: Hi Greg, Thanks for you input. That does sound like using the ChimeraX VR support is the best and most optimal interface and way to go. I found this info: ‘VRto3D is a driver for SteamVR and SteamVR is a native OpenXR runtime. For SR displays, there's an additional step of installing reshade with 3D Game Bridge to SteamVR. Then any OpenXR game (I assume any application would work as well) will launch SteamVR and engage 3D. ‘ Sounds to me like this would be the way to go . Especially since it feel like that potential future developments and support on your site are more on the VR path. Maybe I’ll get a chance to test this and let you know. Best André Am 22.06.2025 um 23:01 schrieb Greg Pintilie <gregdp@gmail.com<mailto:gregdp@gmail.com>>: Hi Andre, I have used this SBS mode with an older 3D projector, which flickers between each side coordinating with shutter glasses. It worked, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t work with the Samsung monitor as well. I think my comments on this from before were not stored in the thread, so here is a quick recap. Annoying things with this mode: - the eye tracking is likely not communicated to ChimeraX, as it would be via openXR - whether this is possible who knows, Tom indicated it may not be, and without a monitor to try it out, likely would not be worked on - so you have adjust the eye separation and distance to screen parameters yourself with ChimeraX commands to get a comfortable 3D effect - this will never be perfect, and your eyes will get tired quick; the new technologies that track your eyes make it a lot more comfortable - as Tom said, Chimera does not go into real full screen mode, so there may be edge effects which make the mode not perfect - the mouse cursor is only shown to one eye, so figuring out which side it’s on involves closing one eye - the rotation is from the center of the screen, so you have to move the mouse there for rotating, rather unnatural - selection happens on either left or right (with shutter glasses this seemed random), so a lot of times you’ll select the wrong thing, realize it, and move the mouse to the other side to select what you want, usually while closing one eye All in all, I did use this mode for some time, and it’s still good to see things better in 3D. The other advantage of this mode is you could run it from Mac, Linux, or Windows, anything ChimeraX runs on. The openXR mode is only on windows right now. Greg P. On Jun 22, 2025, at 1:20 PM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>> wrote: Edit: Not sure if the image got attached in the last mail: <http://image0.jpeg> Am 22.06.2025 um 20:45 schrieb Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>>: Hi Tom and Greg, Thanks so much for the infos. I am torn between the 2 ‘normal’ displays from Samsung or Acer, which are also cheaper. Quite early I guess, but I notice some general excitement so future developments are not of the table i assume? About the SBS: I noticed that it is a little complicated to get there, but it is possible to get ChimeraX into full screen, SBS on and all menus and bars including command prompt hidden. Isn’t this view a perfect SBS picture that the Samsung monitor should be able to use? Only question in this case would be if fullscreen mode is recognized as such by the monitor. If yes, shortcut to get there would be nice. [cid:05DE081E-AD0F-4579-BECB-BC629E88295E] About the openXR: I found the following about the Samsung monitor in a review online: ‘I want to take a moment to talk about XRGameBridge and VRto3D. This is a reshade plugin that you use to mod your Steam VR instance so that, along with VRto3D makes your SR display mimics a VR headset in a sense. With those tools alone you can launch steam VR games in 3D on your Spatial Reality (SR) display. What really excites me about this is that the developers managed to activate the monitors 3D mode without any special sdk from Samsung. I didn't realize this at the time but it seems like all SR displays like Acer spatial labs and Lenovo Thinkvision 3D seem to use basically the same SR sdk, which may be made my Leia (makes of the lume pad and their own SR displays). This means that it might be possible for any developer to make some tools or apps to help round out this monitor’ Wouldn’t that be a possibility to get VR working? A mode to just isolate the main window and drag it and full screen it to the 3D monitor would be helpful, but it sounded like hard to realize. Thanks again Best André Am 22.06.2025 um 19:21 schrieb Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net<mailto:goddard@sonic.net>>: Hi Andre, We discussed the Samsung Odyssey 3D on the ChimeraX mailing list last month https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/... The display manual does not mention OpenXR, only side-by-side stereo. https://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/202506/20250612182444761/BN81-... does not support fullscreen side-by-side stereo so it won't work with this display. We might in the future add support. Tom On Jun 22, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Greg Pintilie via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu>> wrote: Hi Andre, I can pass some information since I’ve been looking into this with Tom Goddard a lot recently, not with the Samsung monitor, but with two others that have the same technology: Tom has the ChimeraX latest builds working with the "Sony 3D Spatial Reality Display” monitors. You just have to connect the monitor, run ChimeraX and then type “xr on” in the command line. We also tried the "Acer 3D SpatialLabs ViewPro 27”, but Tom found bugs in their openXR implementation, so the latest ChimeraX is not working with this yet, but likely there will be a fix very soon. Tom has a modified version of ChimeraX that works with this monitor, but it is not released yet. You can google the above names, I would put links but they seem to vary by region. I am a huge fan of both of the above two monitors. The 3D effect is great, very useful for modeling and viewing complex models and 3D maps. Also super easy to run, compared to previous technologies. There are still some quirks, like that you have to interact with the 3D view on your main monitor, not on the 3D monitor directly. There are no tests yet of ChimeraX with the Samsung monitor, that I know of. It looks really nice, but I didn’t find any info on whether it supports openXR or not, which is what ChimerX is using. We had some discussion on this list recently about whether it’s worth using the SBS mode, which it apparently supports, but that mode has even more quirks, so would not encourage. Greg P. On Jun 21, 2025, at 11:54 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu>> wrote: Dear ChimeraX Team, I was wondering if you had experience with the glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D monitor or know if ChimeraX is supporting it? Maybe you got already feedback from some users, as this seems like the perfect solution to work with! <http://samsung-logo-1-1.jpg> Odyssey G9 27" 3D 4K Gaming Monitor with Speakers<https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz...> http://samsung.com<https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz-gaming-monitor-sku-ls27fg900xnxza/> Thank you Best, André —————————————————— André Michaelis Max-Planck Institute of Biochemistry Dept. Proteomics and Signal Transduction Am Klopferspitz 18 D-82152 Martinsried/Munich Phone: +49 89 8578 2213 email: michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mann/<http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mann/> _______________________________________________ ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu> Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/ _______________________________________________ ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu> Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/ _______________________________________________ ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu> Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/
Edit: Not sure if the image got attached in the last mail: [image0.jpeg] Am 22.06.2025 um 20:45 schrieb Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>: Hi Tom and Greg, Thanks so much for the infos. I am torn between the 2 ‘normal’ displays from Samsung or Acer, which are also cheaper. Quite early I guess, but I notice some general excitement so future developments are not of the table i assume? About the SBS: I noticed that it is a little complicated to get there, but it is possible to get ChimeraX into full screen, SBS on and all menus and bars including command prompt hidden. Isn’t this view a perfect SBS picture that the Samsung monitor should be able to use? Only question in this case would be if fullscreen mode is recognized as such by the monitor. If yes, shortcut to get there would be nice. [IMG_0568.jpeg] About the openXR: I found the following about the Samsung monitor in a review online: ‘I want to take a moment to talk about XRGameBridge and VRto3D. This is a reshade plugin that you use to mod your Steam VR instance so that, along with VRto3D makes your SR display mimics a VR headset in a sense. With those tools alone you can launch steam VR games in 3D on your Spatial Reality (SR) display. What really excites me about this is that the developers managed to activate the monitors 3D mode without any special sdk from Samsung. I didn't realize this at the time but it seems like all SR displays like Acer spatial labs and Lenovo Thinkvision 3D seem to use basically the same SR sdk, which may be made my Leia (makes of the lume pad and their own SR displays). This means that it might be possible for any developer to make some tools or apps to help round out this monitor’ Wouldn’t that be a possibility to get VR working? A mode to just isolate the main window and drag it and full screen it to the 3D monitor would be helpful, but it sounded like hard to realize. Thanks again Best André Am 22.06.2025 um 19:21 schrieb Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net>: Hi Andre, We discussed the Samsung Odyssey 3D on the ChimeraX mailing list last month https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/... The display manual does not mention OpenXR, only side-by-side stereo. https://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/202506/20250612182444761/BN81-... does not support fullscreen side-by-side stereo so it won't work with this display. We might in the future add support. Tom On Jun 22, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Greg Pintilie via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: Hi Andre, I can pass some information since I’ve been looking into this with Tom Goddard a lot recently, not with the Samsung monitor, but with two others that have the same technology: Tom has the ChimeraX latest builds working with the "Sony 3D Spatial Reality Display” monitors. You just have to connect the monitor, run ChimeraX and then type “xr on” in the command line. We also tried the "Acer 3D SpatialLabs ViewPro 27”, but Tom found bugs in their openXR implementation, so the latest ChimeraX is not working with this yet, but likely there will be a fix very soon. Tom has a modified version of ChimeraX that works with this monitor, but it is not released yet. You can google the above names, I would put links but they seem to vary by region. I am a huge fan of both of the above two monitors. The 3D effect is great, very useful for modeling and viewing complex models and 3D maps. Also super easy to run, compared to previous technologies. There are still some quirks, like that you have to interact with the 3D view on your main monitor, not on the 3D monitor directly. There are no tests yet of ChimeraX with the Samsung monitor, that I know of. It looks really nice, but I didn’t find any info on whether it supports openXR or not, which is what ChimerX is using. We had some discussion on this list recently about whether it’s worth using the SBS mode, which it apparently supports, but that mode has even more quirks, so would not encourage. Greg P. On Jun 21, 2025, at 11:54 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: Dear ChimeraX Team, I was wondering if you had experience with the glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D monitor or know if ChimeraX is supporting it? Maybe you got already feedback from some users, as this seems like the perfect solution to work with! <https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz...> <http://samsung-logo-1-1.jpg> Odyssey G9 27" 3D 4K Gaming Monitor with Speakers<https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz...> http://samsung.com<https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz-gaming-monitor-sku-ls27fg900xnxza/> Thank you Best, André —————————————————— André Michaelis Max-Planck Institute of Biochemistry Dept. Proteomics and Signal Transduction Am Klopferspitz 18 D-82152 Martinsried/Munich Phone: +49 89 8578 2213 email: michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mann/<http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mann/> _______________________________________________ ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/ _______________________________________________ ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/
Hi Andre, I have used this SBS mode with an older 3D projector, which flickers between each side coordinating with shutter glasses. It worked, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t work with the Samsung monitor as well. I think my comments on this from before were not stored in the thread, so here is a quick recap. Annoying things with this mode: - the eye tracking is likely not communicated to ChimeraX, as it would be via openXR - whether this is possible who knows, Tom indicated it may not be, and without a monitor to try it out, likely would not be worked on - so you have adjust the eye separation and distance to screen parameters yourself with ChimeraX commands to get a comfortable 3D effect - this will never be perfect, and your eyes will get tired quick; the new technologies that track your eyes make it a lot more comfortable - as Tom said, Chimera does not go into real full screen mode, so there may be edge effects which make the mode not perfect - the mouse cursor is only shown to one eye, so figuring out which side it’s on involves closing one eye - the rotation is from the center of the screen, so you have to move the mouse there for rotating, rather unnatural - selection happens on either left or right (with shutter glasses this seemed random), so a lot of times you’ll select the wrong thing, realize it, and move the mouse to the other side to select what you want, usually while closing one eye All in all, I did use this mode for some time, and it’s still good to see things better in 3D. The other advantage of this mode is you could run it from Mac, Linux, or Windows, anything ChimeraX runs on. The openXR mode is only on windows right now. Greg P.
On Jun 22, 2025, at 1:20 PM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> wrote:
Edit: Not sure if the image got attached in the last mail:
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Am 22.06.2025 um 20:45 schrieb Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>:
Hi Tom and Greg, Thanks so much for the infos.
I am torn between the 2 ‘normal’ displays from Samsung or Acer, which are also cheaper. Quite early I guess, but I notice some general excitement so future developments are not of the table i assume?
About the SBS: I noticed that it is a little complicated to get there, but it is possible to get ChimeraX into full screen, SBS on and all menus and bars including command prompt hidden. Isn’t this view a perfect SBS picture that the Samsung monitor should be able to use? Only question in this case would be if fullscreen mode is recognized as such by the monitor. If yes, shortcut to get there would be nice.
About the openXR: I found the following about the Samsung monitor in a review online: ‘I want to take a moment to talk about XRGameBridge and VRto3D. This is a reshade plugin that you use to mod your Steam VR instance so that, along with VRto3D makes your SR display mimics a VR headset in a sense. With those tools alone you can launch steam VR games in 3D on your Spatial Reality (SR) display. What really excites me about this is that the developers managed to activate the monitors 3D mode without any special sdk from Samsung. I didn't realize this at the time but it seems like all SR displays like Acer spatial labs and Lenovo Thinkvision 3D seem to use basically the same SR sdk, which may be made my Leia (makes of the lume pad and their own SR displays). This means that it might be possible for any developer to make some tools or apps to help round out this monitor’
Wouldn’t that be a possibility to get VR working?
A mode to just isolate the main window and drag it and full screen it to the 3D monitor would be helpful, but it sounded like hard to realize.
Thanks again
Best André
Am 22.06.2025 um 19:21 schrieb Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net>:
Hi Andre,
We discussed the Samsung Odyssey 3D on the ChimeraX mailing list last month
https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/...
The display manual does not mention OpenXR, only side-by-side stereo.
https://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/202506/20250612182444761/BN81-...
Chimerax does not support fullscreen side-by-side stereo so it won't work with this display. We might in the future add support.
Tom
On Jun 22, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Greg Pintilie via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote:
Hi Andre,
I can pass some information since I’ve been looking into this with Tom Goddard a lot recently, not with the Samsung monitor, but with two others that have the same technology:
Tom has the ChimeraX latest builds working with the "Sony 3D Spatial Reality Display” monitors. You just have to connect the monitor, run ChimeraX and then type “xr on” in the command line.
We also tried the "Acer 3D SpatialLabs ViewPro 27”, but Tom found bugs in their openXR implementation, so the latest ChimeraX is not working with this yet, but likely there will be a fix very soon. Tom has a modified version of ChimeraX that works with this monitor, but it is not released yet.
You can google the above names, I would put links but they seem to vary by region. I am a huge fan of both of the above two monitors. The 3D effect is great, very useful for modeling and viewing complex models and 3D maps. Also super easy to run, compared to previous technologies. There are still some quirks, like that you have to interact with the 3D view on your main monitor, not on the 3D monitor directly.
There are no tests yet of ChimeraX with the Samsung monitor, that I know of. It looks really nice, but I didn’t find any info on whether it supports openXR or not, which is what ChimerX is using. We had some discussion on this list recently about whether it’s worth using the SBS mode, which it apparently supports, but that mode has even more quirks, so would not encourage.
Greg P.
On Jun 21, 2025, at 11:54 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote:
Dear ChimeraX Team,
I was wondering if you had experience with the glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D monitor or know if ChimeraX is supporting it? Maybe you got already feedback from some users, as this seems like the perfect solution to work with!
https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz... Thank you Best, André
—————————————————— André Michaelis Max-Planck Institute of Biochemistry Dept. Proteomics and Signal Transduction Am Klopferspitz 18 D-82152 Martinsried/Munich
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Hi Greg, Thanks for you input. That does sound like using the ChimeraX VR support is the best and most optimal interface and way to go. I found this info: ‘VRto3D is a driver for SteamVR and SteamVR is a native OpenXR runtime. For SR displays, there's an additional step of installing reshade with 3D Game Bridge to SteamVR. Then any OpenXR game (I assume any application would work as well) will launch SteamVR and engage 3D. ‘ Sounds to me like this would be the way to go . Especially since it feel like that potential future developments and support on your site are more on the VR path. Maybe I’ll get a chance to test this and let you know. Best André Am 22.06.2025 um 23:01 schrieb Greg Pintilie <gregdp@gmail.com>: Hi Andre, I have used this SBS mode with an older 3D projector, which flickers between each side coordinating with shutter glasses. It worked, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t work with the Samsung monitor as well. I think my comments on this from before were not stored in the thread, so here is a quick recap. Annoying things with this mode: - the eye tracking is likely not communicated to ChimeraX, as it would be via openXR - whether this is possible who knows, Tom indicated it may not be, and without a monitor to try it out, likely would not be worked on - so you have adjust the eye separation and distance to screen parameters yourself with ChimeraX commands to get a comfortable 3D effect - this will never be perfect, and your eyes will get tired quick; the new technologies that track your eyes make it a lot more comfortable - as Tom said, Chimera does not go into real full screen mode, so there may be edge effects which make the mode not perfect - the mouse cursor is only shown to one eye, so figuring out which side it’s on involves closing one eye - the rotation is from the center of the screen, so you have to move the mouse there for rotating, rather unnatural - selection happens on either left or right (with shutter glasses this seemed random), so a lot of times you’ll select the wrong thing, realize it, and move the mouse to the other side to select what you want, usually while closing one eye All in all, I did use this mode for some time, and it’s still good to see things better in 3D. The other advantage of this mode is you could run it from Mac, Linux, or Windows, anything ChimeraX runs on. The openXR mode is only on windows right now. Greg P. On Jun 22, 2025, at 1:20 PM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> wrote: Edit: Not sure if the image got attached in the last mail: <http://image0.jpeg> Am 22.06.2025 um 20:45 schrieb Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>: Hi Tom and Greg, Thanks so much for the infos. I am torn between the 2 ‘normal’ displays from Samsung or Acer, which are also cheaper. Quite early I guess, but I notice some general excitement so future developments are not of the table i assume? About the SBS: I noticed that it is a little complicated to get there, but it is possible to get ChimeraX into full screen, SBS on and all menus and bars including command prompt hidden. Isn’t this view a perfect SBS picture that the Samsung monitor should be able to use? Only question in this case would be if fullscreen mode is recognized as such by the monitor. If yes, shortcut to get there would be nice. [IMG_0568.jpeg] About the openXR: I found the following about the Samsung monitor in a review online: ‘I want to take a moment to talk about XRGameBridge and VRto3D. This is a reshade plugin that you use to mod your Steam VR instance so that, along with VRto3D makes your SR display mimics a VR headset in a sense. With those tools alone you can launch steam VR games in 3D on your Spatial Reality (SR) display. What really excites me about this is that the developers managed to activate the monitors 3D mode without any special sdk from Samsung. I didn't realize this at the time but it seems like all SR displays like Acer spatial labs and Lenovo Thinkvision 3D seem to use basically the same SR sdk, which may be made my Leia (makes of the lume pad and their own SR displays). This means that it might be possible for any developer to make some tools or apps to help round out this monitor’ Wouldn’t that be a possibility to get VR working? A mode to just isolate the main window and drag it and full screen it to the 3D monitor would be helpful, but it sounded like hard to realize. Thanks again Best André Am 22.06.2025 um 19:21 schrieb Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net>: Hi Andre, We discussed the Samsung Odyssey 3D on the ChimeraX mailing list last month https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/... The display manual does not mention OpenXR, only side-by-side stereo. https://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/202506/20250612182444761/BN81-... does not support fullscreen side-by-side stereo so it won't work with this display. We might in the future add support. Tom On Jun 22, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Greg Pintilie via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: Hi Andre, I can pass some information since I’ve been looking into this with Tom Goddard a lot recently, not with the Samsung monitor, but with two others that have the same technology: Tom has the ChimeraX latest builds working with the "Sony 3D Spatial Reality Display” monitors. You just have to connect the monitor, run ChimeraX and then type “xr on” in the command line. We also tried the "Acer 3D SpatialLabs ViewPro 27”, but Tom found bugs in their openXR implementation, so the latest ChimeraX is not working with this yet, but likely there will be a fix very soon. Tom has a modified version of ChimeraX that works with this monitor, but it is not released yet. You can google the above names, I would put links but they seem to vary by region. I am a huge fan of both of the above two monitors. The 3D effect is great, very useful for modeling and viewing complex models and 3D maps. Also super easy to run, compared to previous technologies. There are still some quirks, like that you have to interact with the 3D view on your main monitor, not on the 3D monitor directly. There are no tests yet of ChimeraX with the Samsung monitor, that I know of. It looks really nice, but I didn’t find any info on whether it supports openXR or not, which is what ChimerX is using. We had some discussion on this list recently about whether it’s worth using the SBS mode, which it apparently supports, but that mode has even more quirks, so would not encourage. Greg P. On Jun 21, 2025, at 11:54 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: Dear ChimeraX Team, I was wondering if you had experience with the glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D monitor or know if ChimeraX is supporting it? Maybe you got already feedback from some users, as this seems like the perfect solution to work with! <https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz...> <http://samsung-logo-1-1.jpg> Odyssey G9 27" 3D 4K Gaming Monitor with Speakers<https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz...> http://samsung.com<https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz-gaming-monitor-sku-ls27fg900xnxza/> Thank you Best, André —————————————————— André Michaelis Max-Planck Institute of Biochemistry Dept. Proteomics and Signal Transduction Am Klopferspitz 18 D-82152 Martinsried/Munich Phone: +49 89 8578 2213 email: michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mann/<http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mann/> _______________________________________________ ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/ _______________________________________________ ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/
Hi André, I don't think it is a good idea to use ChimeraX VR mode with VRto3D converting it to side-by-side stereo for the Samsung display. I think the fundamental problem in using the Samsung, Sony or Acer 3D displays or VR headsets is that the ChimeraX user interface controls become difficult to use. As you and others note it would be possible to switch between 3D stereo and 2D viewing to use interface panels. But I think this is so cumbersome that almost no one will find this productive. Who wants to buy a $2000 - $5000 display that makes most of the useful functions of ChimeraX (available through user interface panels) difficult to use? The solution would be for ChimeraX to allow you to show the normal ChimeraX user interface and graphics on a 2d display, and simultaneously show the graphics on one of these 3D displays. Then the 3D display does not interfere with 90% of your work in ChimeraX where you are interacting with user interface panels. I made a ChimeraX request describing this better way of using the Samsung display. https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/18055 This doesn't mean we will implement it. If we don't have one of these Samsung 3D displays we will not develop for it since we have no way of testing it. Currently I have the Sony and Acer eye-tracked 3D displays on long-term loan so I am getting those to work better and I may add code to ChimeraX to enable dual display graphics for those that could make it easy to try with the Samsung display. Here are ChimeraX tickets describing progress supporting the Sony and Acer displays https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/16864 https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/16865 Tom
On Jun 23, 2025, at 2:19 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> wrote:
Hi Greg,
Thanks for you input. That does sound like using the ChimeraX VR support is the best and most optimal interface and way to go. I found this info:
‘VRto3D is a driver for SteamVR and SteamVR is a native OpenXR runtime. For SR displays, there's an additional step of installing reshade with 3D Game Bridge to SteamVR. Then any OpenXR game (I assume any application would work as well) will launch SteamVR and engage 3D. ‘
Sounds to me like this would be the way to go . Especially since it feel like that potential future developments and support on your site are more on the VR path.
Maybe I’ll get a chance to test this and let you know.
Best André
Am 22.06.2025 um 23:01 schrieb Greg Pintilie <gregdp@gmail.com>:
Hi Andre,
I have used this SBS mode with an older 3D projector, which flickers between each side coordinating with shutter glasses. It worked, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t work with the Samsung monitor as well. I think my comments on this from before were not stored in the thread, so here is a quick recap.
Annoying things with this mode:
- the eye tracking is likely not communicated to ChimeraX, as it would be via openXR - whether this is possible who knows, Tom indicated it may not be, and without a monitor to try it out, likely would not be worked on - so you have adjust the eye separation and distance to screen parameters yourself with ChimeraX commands to get a comfortable 3D effect - this will never be perfect, and your eyes will get tired quick; the new technologies that track your eyes make it a lot more comfortable - as Tom said, Chimera does not go into real full screen mode, so there may be edge effects which make the mode not perfect - the mouse cursor is only shown to one eye, so figuring out which side it’s on involves closing one eye - the rotation is from the center of the screen, so you have to move the mouse there for rotating, rather unnatural - selection happens on either left or right (with shutter glasses this seemed random), so a lot of times you’ll select the wrong thing, realize it, and move the mouse to the other side to select what you want, usually while closing one eye
All in all, I did use this mode for some time, and it’s still good to see things better in 3D. The other advantage of this mode is you could run it from Mac, Linux, or Windows, anything ChimeraX runs on. The openXR mode is only on windows right now.
Greg P.
On Jun 22, 2025, at 1:20 PM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> wrote:
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Am 22.06.2025 um 20:45 schrieb Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>:
Hi Tom and Greg, Thanks so much for the infos.
I am torn between the 2 ‘normal’ displays from Samsung or Acer, which are also cheaper. Quite early I guess, but I notice some general excitement so future developments are not of the table i assume?
About the SBS: I noticed that it is a little complicated to get there, but it is possible to get ChimeraX into full screen, SBS on and all menus and bars including command prompt hidden. Isn’t this view a perfect SBS picture that the Samsung monitor should be able to use? Only question in this case would be if fullscreen mode is recognized as such by the monitor. If yes, shortcut to get there would be nice.
About the openXR: I found the following about the Samsung monitor in a review online: ‘I want to take a moment to talk about XRGameBridge and VRto3D. This is a reshade plugin that you use to mod your Steam VR instance so that, along with VRto3D makes your SR display mimics a VR headset in a sense. With those tools alone you can launch steam VR games in 3D on your Spatial Reality (SR) display. What really excites me about this is that the developers managed to activate the monitors 3D mode without any special sdk from Samsung. I didn't realize this at the time but it seems like all SR displays like Acer spatial labs and Lenovo Thinkvision 3D seem to use basically the same SR sdk, which may be made my Leia (makes of the lume pad and their own SR displays). This means that it might be possible for any developer to make some tools or apps to help round out this monitor’
Wouldn’t that be a possibility to get VR working?
A mode to just isolate the main window and drag it and full screen it to the 3D monitor would be helpful, but it sounded like hard to realize.
Thanks again
Best André
Am 22.06.2025 um 19:21 schrieb Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net>:
Hi Andre,
We discussed the Samsung Odyssey 3D on the ChimeraX mailing list last month
https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/...
The display manual does not mention OpenXR, only side-by-side stereo.
https://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/202506/20250612182444761/BN81-...
Chimerax does not support fullscreen side-by-side stereo so it won't work with this display. We might in the future add support.
Tom
On Jun 22, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Greg Pintilie via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote:
Hi Andre,
I can pass some information since I’ve been looking into this with Tom Goddard a lot recently, not with the Samsung monitor, but with two others that have the same technology:
Tom has the ChimeraX latest builds working with the "Sony 3D Spatial Reality Display” monitors. You just have to connect the monitor, run ChimeraX and then type “xr on” in the command line.
We also tried the "Acer 3D SpatialLabs ViewPro 27”, but Tom found bugs in their openXR implementation, so the latest ChimeraX is not working with this yet, but likely there will be a fix very soon. Tom has a modified version of ChimeraX that works with this monitor, but it is not released yet.
You can google the above names, I would put links but they seem to vary by region. I am a huge fan of both of the above two monitors. The 3D effect is great, very useful for modeling and viewing complex models and 3D maps. Also super easy to run, compared to previous technologies. There are still some quirks, like that you have to interact with the 3D view on your main monitor, not on the 3D monitor directly.
There are no tests yet of ChimeraX with the Samsung monitor, that I know of. It looks really nice, but I didn’t find any info on whether it supports openXR or not, which is what ChimerX is using. We had some discussion on this list recently about whether it’s worth using the SBS mode, which it apparently supports, but that mode has even more quirks, so would not encourage.
Greg P.
> On Jun 21, 2025, at 11:54 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: > > Dear ChimeraX Team, > > I was wondering if you had experience with the glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D monitor or know if ChimeraX is supporting it? Maybe you got already feedback from some users, as this seems like the perfect solution to work with! > > > > > https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz... > Thank you > Best, André > > —————————————————— > André Michaelis > Max-Planck Institute of Biochemistry > Dept. Proteomics and Signal Transduction > Am Klopferspitz 18 > D-82152 Martinsried/Munich > > > Phone: +49 89 8578 2213 > email: michaelis@biochem.mpg.de <mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> > www.biochem.mpg.de/mann/ <http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mann/> > > > _______________________________________________ > ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu > To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu > Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/
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Hi Tom, yes absolutely I agree, the best solution would be to either: * Decouple (or even mirror) the viewer completely from the rest to let it run on a SR screen in full-screen mode and have all tools on a second screen which I think many would have (plus its anyway nice to work with more space 😊). The full screen could then either be used for xr mode or SbS. (Having the option to use both here is maybe the best solution to allow different compatibilities) * Or Integration of interface controls on the same screen. For SbS this would requiring duplicating all menu items and only to have the viewer get the stereoscopic shift. Might be difficult to implement… And for OpenXR I am not sure how this would work best, but it sounded that for the Acer there might be a working solution with the next update? That’s why I suggested VRto3D, basically just as a replacement for the missing OpenXR on the Samsung which should make it run like the solution build for the Acer. I am having some flashbacks to almost 10 years ago with my Nvidia Vision Display where I got this working somehow with PyMol, were stereoscopic was supported, but full screen without menu or adjusted wasn’t possible 😊 On your comment: I used full-screen mode on windows where the frame did hide. (ui fullscreen true, ui menubar false, ui statusbar false). I think the main think would if this is a true full-screen mode that will be recognized as such from the Samsung software (most should though). Instead of a short cut that hides everything, maybe one that undocks everything (including menubar since this one cant be at the moment) to be moved to a second screen is also an option since without command line its hard to exit fullscreen. But the general de-coupling of viewer is still cleaner as this workaround. Also, can’t u ask Samsung to sponsor a screen for software development specifically for that? Thanks again, Best André Von: Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net> Gesendet: Monday, 23 June 2025 16:18 An: Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> Cc: Greg Pintilie <gregdp@gmail.com>; chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu Betreff: Re: [chimerax-users] Glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D Monitor support Hi André, I don't think it is a good idea to use ChimeraX VR mode with VRto3D converting it to side-by-side stereo for the Samsung display. I think the fundamental problem in using the Samsung, Sony or Acer 3D displays or VR headsets is that the ChimeraX user interface controls become difficult to use. As you and others note it would be possible to switch between 3D stereo and 2D viewing to use interface panels. But I think this is so cumbersome that almost no one will find this productive. Who wants to buy a $2000 - $5000 display that makes most of the useful functions of ChimeraX (available through user interface panels) difficult to use? The solution would be for ChimeraX to allow you to show the normal ChimeraX user interface and graphics on a 2d display, and simultaneously show the graphics on one of these 3D displays. Then the 3D display does not interfere with 90% of your work in ChimeraX where you are interacting with user interface panels. I made a ChimeraX request describing this better way of using the Samsung display. https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/18055 This doesn't mean we will implement it. If we don't have one of these Samsung 3D displays we will not develop for it since we have no way of testing it. Currently I have the Sony and Acer eye-tracked 3D displays on long-term loan so I am getting those to work better and I may add code to ChimeraX to enable dual display graphics for those that could make it easy to try with the Samsung display. Here are ChimeraX tickets describing progress supporting the Sony and Acer displays https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/16864 https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/16865 Tom On Jun 23, 2025, at 2:19 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>> wrote: Hi Greg, Thanks for you input. That does sound like using the ChimeraX VR support is the best and most optimal interface and way to go. I found this info: ‘VRto3D is a driver for SteamVR and SteamVR is a native OpenXR runtime. For SR displays, there's an additional step of installing reshade with 3D Game Bridge to SteamVR. Then any OpenXR game (I assume any application would work as well) will launch SteamVR and engage 3D. ‘ Sounds to me like this would be the way to go . Especially since it feel like that potential future developments and support on your site are more on the VR path. Maybe I’ll get a chance to test this and let you know. Best André Am 22.06.2025 um 23:01 schrieb Greg Pintilie <gregdp@gmail.com<mailto:gregdp@gmail.com>>: Hi Andre, I have used this SBS mode with an older 3D projector, which flickers between each side coordinating with shutter glasses. It worked, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t work with the Samsung monitor as well. I think my comments on this from before were not stored in the thread, so here is a quick recap. Annoying things with this mode: - the eye tracking is likely not communicated to ChimeraX, as it would be via openXR - whether this is possible who knows, Tom indicated it may not be, and without a monitor to try it out, likely would not be worked on - so you have adjust the eye separation and distance to screen parameters yourself with ChimeraX commands to get a comfortable 3D effect - this will never be perfect, and your eyes will get tired quick; the new technologies that track your eyes make it a lot more comfortable - as Tom said, Chimera does not go into real full screen mode, so there may be edge effects which make the mode not perfect - the mouse cursor is only shown to one eye, so figuring out which side it’s on involves closing one eye - the rotation is from the center of the screen, so you have to move the mouse there for rotating, rather unnatural - selection happens on either left or right (with shutter glasses this seemed random), so a lot of times you’ll select the wrong thing, realize it, and move the mouse to the other side to select what you want, usually while closing one eye All in all, I did use this mode for some time, and it’s still good to see things better in 3D. The other advantage of this mode is you could run it from Mac, Linux, or Windows, anything ChimeraX runs on. The openXR mode is only on windows right now. Greg P. On Jun 22, 2025, at 1:20 PM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>> wrote: Edit: Not sure if the image got attached in the last mail: <http://image0.jpeg> Am 22.06.2025 um 20:45 schrieb Michaelis, Andre Clemens <michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de>>: Hi Tom and Greg, Thanks so much for the infos. I am torn between the 2 ‘normal’ displays from Samsung or Acer, which are also cheaper. Quite early I guess, but I notice some general excitement so future developments are not of the table i assume? About the SBS: I noticed that it is a little complicated to get there, but it is possible to get ChimeraX into full screen, SBS on and all menus and bars including command prompt hidden. Isn’t this view a perfect SBS picture that the Samsung monitor should be able to use? Only question in this case would be if fullscreen mode is recognized as such by the monitor. If yes, shortcut to get there would be nice. [cid:05DE081E-AD0F-4579-BECB-BC629E88295E] About the openXR: I found the following about the Samsung monitor in a review online: ‘I want to take a moment to talk about XRGameBridge and VRto3D. This is a reshade plugin that you use to mod your Steam VR instance so that, along with VRto3D makes your SR display mimics a VR headset in a sense. With those tools alone you can launch steam VR games in 3D on your Spatial Reality (SR) display. What really excites me about this is that the developers managed to activate the monitors 3D mode without any special sdk from Samsung. I didn't realize this at the time but it seems like all SR displays like Acer spatial labs and Lenovo Thinkvision 3D seem to use basically the same SR sdk, which may be made my Leia (makes of the lume pad and their own SR displays). This means that it might be possible for any developer to make some tools or apps to help round out this monitor’ Wouldn’t that be a possibility to get VR working? A mode to just isolate the main window and drag it and full screen it to the 3D monitor would be helpful, but it sounded like hard to realize. Thanks again Best André Am 22.06.2025 um 19:21 schrieb Tom Goddard <goddard@sonic.net<mailto:goddard@sonic.net>>: Hi Andre, We discussed the Samsung Odyssey 3D on the ChimeraX mailing list last month https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/... The display manual does not mention OpenXR, only side-by-side stereo. https://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/202506/20250612182444761/BN81-... does not support fullscreen side-by-side stereo so it won't work with this display. We might in the future add support. Tom On Jun 22, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Greg Pintilie via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu>> wrote: Hi Andre, I can pass some information since I’ve been looking into this with Tom Goddard a lot recently, not with the Samsung monitor, but with two others that have the same technology: Tom has the ChimeraX latest builds working with the "Sony 3D Spatial Reality Display” monitors. You just have to connect the monitor, run ChimeraX and then type “xr on” in the command line. We also tried the "Acer 3D SpatialLabs ViewPro 27”, but Tom found bugs in their openXR implementation, so the latest ChimeraX is not working with this yet, but likely there will be a fix very soon. Tom has a modified version of ChimeraX that works with this monitor, but it is not released yet. You can google the above names, I would put links but they seem to vary by region. I am a huge fan of both of the above two monitors. The 3D effect is great, very useful for modeling and viewing complex models and 3D maps. Also super easy to run, compared to previous technologies. There are still some quirks, like that you have to interact with the 3D view on your main monitor, not on the 3D monitor directly. There are no tests yet of ChimeraX with the Samsung monitor, that I know of. It looks really nice, but I didn’t find any info on whether it supports openXR or not, which is what ChimerX is using. We had some discussion on this list recently about whether it’s worth using the SBS mode, which it apparently supports, but that mode has even more quirks, so would not encourage. Greg P. On Jun 21, 2025, at 11:54 AM, Michaelis, Andre Clemens via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu>> wrote: Dear ChimeraX Team, I was wondering if you had experience with the glasses-free Samsung Odyssey 3D monitor or know if ChimeraX is supporting it? Maybe you got already feedback from some users, as this seems like the perfect solution to work with! <http://samsung-logo-1-1.jpg> Odyssey G9 27" 3D 4K Gaming Monitor with Speakers<https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz...> http://samsung.com<https://www.samsung.com/us/monitors/gaming/27-inch-odyssey-3d-g90xf-4k-165hz-gaming-monitor-sku-ls27fg900xnxza/> Thank you Best, André —————————————————— André Michaelis Max-Planck Institute of Biochemistry Dept. Proteomics and Signal Transduction Am Klopferspitz 18 D-82152 Martinsried/Munich Phone: +49 89 8578 2213 email: michaelis@biochem.mpg.de<mailto:michaelis@biochem.mpg.de> http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mann/<http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mann/> _______________________________________________ ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu> Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/ _______________________________________________ ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu<mailto:chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu> Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/
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