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Re: [Chimera-users] other/2169
by conrad＠cgl.ucsf.edu 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Synopsis: interface with QPACK State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: conrad State-Changed-When: Tue Jan 16 10:18:12 2007 State-Changed-Why: QPACK interface available as experimental feature. See http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/experimental/experimental.html for more information. http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/cgi-bin/gnatsweb.pl?cmd=view&pr=2169&database=chime…

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Re: [Chimera-users] Select atom by serial number.
by Jean Didier Pie Marechal 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Hi Elaine and thank you very much for your help. I am pleased to see the selection specifications are OK. Coming back from the WE, I retried this selection on my structure and... it works perfect... For once, it seems I needed a reboot more than my desktop... My apologies for your waste of time. Regards, JD Dr. Jean-Didier Maréchal Professor Lector Unitat de Química Física Departament de Química Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona Edifici C.n. 08193 Cerdonyola (Barcelona) Tel: +34.935814988 e-mail: JeanDidier.Marechal(a)uab.es ----- Missatge original ----- De: Elaine Meng <meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> Data: Dijous, Gener 11, 2007 8:59 pm Assumpte: Re: [Chimera-users] Select atom by serial number. > > Hi JD, > We also tested Chimera 1.2309 on Windows, and these specifications > > work correctly. Example: > Command: sel @/serialNumber=232 > will select NZ of Lys 27 in chain A of the PDB entry 1zik. The > only > other thing I can think of (besides what was in the previous > message) > is to check if your PDB file is correctly formatted. The > ATOM/HETATM > serial number is supposed to be in columns 7-11 and right-justified. > Best, > Elaine > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Elaine Meng wrote: > > > Hi JD, > > You are using the correct specifications - both of your examples > > > should work. I tested both approaches in Chimera 1.2304 on Mac > OSX > > and they worked correctly. We'll have to look into your > specific > > version/platform and get back to you. If you want, you could > send > > me the PDB file you are using so I could test if there is some > > issue specific to that structure. To be clear: the serial > number > > is the number shown in the column after ATOM (or HETATM) in the > PDB > > file, regardless of what order the atoms are really in. That > is, > > if the first ATOM has 2 in that column, its serial number is 2 > and > > not 1. > > Best, > > Elaine > > ----- > > Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > > UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab > > Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry > > University of California, San Francisco > > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Jean-Didier Maréchal wrote: > > > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I am desperately trying to select an atom of my pdb by its > serial > >> number. > >> > >> Looking at the archives, it seems that I should put something > like > >> @/serialNumber=525 > >> > >> I tried “sel #0@/serialNumber=525” in the commandl ine and “@/ > >> serialNumber=525” in the Atom Specifier. None of these > selections > >> worked. Can someone tell me the right way to do this, please ? > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> JD > >> > >> > >> > >> Current running chimera: version 1 build 2309 > >> > >> OS: windows > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chimera-users mailing list > >> Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users > > > >

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Numeric/numpy revisited
by Randy Heiland 11 Jan '07

11 Jan '07

I'll post this long-winded thing to the users list although it's really for the developers... I'm revisiting the issue of wanting to have access to the numpy pkg (numpy.scipy.org) for a Chimera plugin - a delayed continuation of the problem discussed here: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/pipermail/chimera-users/2006-April/000743.html Here's my situation: I installed chimera-1.2304-osx_x11.dmg. I then built the numpy pkg (from svn) using my system's python (2.4) via 'python setup.py build' and copied the resulting /numpy dir into the chimera /share dir. I then discover/verify 2 things: 1) using my system's python, I can successfully import both Numeric and numpy - Numeric coming from chimera and the numpy that I just built and copied into chimera's /share dir 2) using the python2.4 bundled with chimera, I cannot import both Numeric and numpy. I can always import one (either one), but then get a bizarre error when trying to import the other. --------------------------- More verbosely: I set PYTHONPATH to /Applications/Chimera.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Num eric:/Applications/Chimera.app/Contents/Resources/share Then check the system python: [macmini:~] heiland% pwd /Users/heiland [macmini:~] heiland% which python /usr/local/bin/python [macmini:~] heiland% ll /usr/local/bin/python lrwxr-xr-x 1 root heiland 68 Jul 27 06:19 /usr/local/bin/python@ -> ../../../Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/python [macmini:~] heiland% python Python 2.4.3 (#1, Apr 7 2006, 10:54:33) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import Numeric >>> import numpy >>> from numpy.core.multiarray import typeinfo >>> Then check the chimera python: /Applications/Chimera.app/Contents/Resources/share [macmini:Contents/Resources/share] heiland% ../bin/python2.4 Python 2.4.3 (#1, Oct 16 2006, 09:43:37) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5247)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import Numeric >>> import numpy Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? File "/Applications/Chimera.app/Contents/Resources/share/numpy/__init__.py", line 36, in ? import core File "numpy/core/__init__.py", line 8, in ? import numerictypes as nt File "numpy/core/numerictypes.py", line 83, in ? from multiarray import typeinfo, ndarray, array, empty, dtype ImportError: cannot import name typeinfo ----------------------------- OK, it then dawns on me that probably what I really should be doing is building numpy using chimera's python. So, after downloading the chimera (1.2318) OSX headers (http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/sourcecode.html ), putting the /include in the /Resources dir, and doing: /Applications/Chimera.app/Contents/Resources/bin/python2.4 setup.py build It all builds fine, but then I have the same bizarre error when trying to import both Numeric and numpy as before. Crap. So I then use 'ldd' to see the dependencies in the different python executables: ldd /Applications/Chimera.app/Contents/Resources/bin/python2.4 /Applications/Chimera.app/Contents/Resources/bin/python2.4: /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 71.1.3) /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.3.0) /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) /usr/lib/libmx.A.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 47.1.0) [macmini:~] heiland% ldd /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/python /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/python: /usr/lib/libmx.A.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 47.1.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 88.1.3) Note the different versions on the libSystem.B.dylib. Some more poking... [macmini:~] heiland% locate libgcc_s.1.dylib /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.3.9.sdk/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib [macmini:~] heiland% ldd /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib: /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 88.3.3) [macmini:~] heiland% ldd /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.3.9.sdk/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.3.9.sdk/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib: /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 71.1.3) [macmini:~] heiland% ldd /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib: /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 88.1.2) ----------------------------- One thing worth noting is the different gcc builds (my system python used a later build, 5250, cf 5247 for chimera's python). I also installed the latest xcode (2.4.1) before doing all this. If you've stayed with me to the end, I congratulate you :) Basic question - any ideas? Would it be possible for the Chimera OSX developers to verify they have the latest xcode? And secondly, do you know how one can the chimera python have the dependency on libSystem.B.dylib v.88.1.2 instead of 71.1.3 ? Thanks, -Randy Fwiw, this link http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2006-April/017310.html seems related to this thread also.

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Select atom by serial number.
by Jean-Didier Maréchal 11 Jan '07

11 Jan '07

Hi Everyone, I am desperately trying to select an atom of my pdb by its serial number. Looking at the archives, it seems that I should put something like @/serialNumber=525 I tried sel #0@/serialNumber=525 in the commandl ine and @/serialNumber=525 in the Atom Specifier. None of these selections worked. Can someone tell me the right way to do this, please ? Cheers JD Current running chimera: version 1 build 2309 OS: windows

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secondary structure assignment
by nurul 10 Jan '07

10 Jan '07

hello i'm a student from malaysia and i'm using chimera in my studies, i have one question regarding this software, how does it assign the secondary structure? is it using dssp or stride or any other secondary structure assignment program? thank you

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Chimera benchmarks in both OSX and WinXP on same hardware
by Jeff Speir 08 Jan '07

08 Jan '07

Dear Chimera developers, By request from my lab mates I've run Chimera's built-in benchmark routine under both OSX and Windows XP Pro SP2 for comparison. Attached is an MSWord document with the results. Hope they are useful. Of note, OSX falls behind in the ribbon graphics compared to WinXP, especially with large molecules. The test was done on an Apple Mac Pro (hardware details in attached document) with Windows XP Pro installed via Boot Camp. Both operating systems were fully updated with all available patches. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best Regards, Jeff Jeffrey A. Speir, Ph.D. The Scripps Research Institute Dept. of Molecular Biology 10550 North Torrey Pines Rd. La Jolla, CA 92037 Phone: (858) 784-8646 Fax: (858) 784-8660 E-mail: speir(a)scripps.edu

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OSX headers
by Randy Heiland 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

Hi gang, Would it be possible to get the latest OSX (10.4) headers posted at http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/sourcecode.html ? -Randy

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command line zone selection?
by Kenward Vaughan 02 Jan '07

02 Jan '07

I'm putting together a demo for my students this next semester, and was hoping to be able to do a zone selection about the ligand. Is this possible with the command line? I haven't been able to pull out a reference for such, yet. Certainly I could pull together the list of residues myself, but thought it'd be nice to have the command available. Some students might like to create a demo file for their reports, and this would become a pivotal tool for a subset of those. If not directly available, then a wishlist addition, perhaps? Something like: zonesel [within|beyond] [+/- angstroms] [atom-spec] where the sign of the angstrom value denotes whether to include (+) or exclude (-) the atoms in atom-spec. Cheers, Kenward Vaughan -- .'^~;,_ Dr. Kenward Vaughan `:,'~~~~~ Professor of Chemistry \;:/ Bakersfield College |,;| 1801 Panorama Drive / ', \ Bakersfield, CA 93305 / o O \ http://www2.bc.cc.ca.us/kvaughan (oOoOOoOo) ---========--- ???$$MM$$???

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how to change the color and thickness of the unit cell outline
by Sabuj Pattanayek 02 Jan '07

02 Jan '07

Hi, How do I change the color and thickness of the unit cell outline? Thanks, Sabuj

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Re: [Chimera-users] chimera and my ATI card
by Thomas Goddard 29 Dec '06

29 Dec '06

Hi Jeff, The system crash on your laptop indicates it is a graphics driver problem. Unfortunately these are very common -- maybe 1 in 20 driver version / graphics card combinations have Chimera crashing or system crashing bugs. I intend to make a web page that includes all the bad combinations we have encountered -- hopefully I'll get to it in January. The reason Chimera is particularly susceptible to these bugs is that it uses many capabilities of the OpenGL 3-d graphics library -- some that are seldom used by video games and other 3-d applications. There are only 4 practical solutions: 1) update the driver, 2) use an older driver, 3) set driver options to use less OpenGL acceleration, or 4) use a different machine. I use solution 2 on my home machine with an Nvidia Quadro driver that is a dozen versions behind the current one and over a year old. New drivers come out fairly often for both Nvidia and ATI cards and usually do not offer better performance -- only a new set of bugs (old ones fixed, new ones introduced). If you could send us a Chimera bug report by starting Chimera and use menu entry Help / Report a Bug this will send us your graphics driver version so we can include it on our bad drivers page. And if you find another driver version that works I would of course like to know which version. Sorry to offer so little help on this. Tom From: Jeff To: "'Thomas Goddard'" <goddard(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> Subject: chimera and my ATI card Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:59:26 -0800 hi Tom, on my laptop (IBM T43p), chimera is crashing the machine. I have the latest release installed in WinXP (as of 12/21), and a fairly recent release (within 2006) installed on Linux (also on same machine, different drive). this occurs with both really small volumes (100 cubed) and larger ones (600x400x100 or so), doing common tasks like rotating a surface rendering. in XP, it froze with a required reboot; with Linux, I got the screen that I have attached. the GPU is an 'ATI MOBILITY FireGL V3200', which was one of the GPUs you could get on a 'workstation laptop' back in June '05. I am pretty sure the drivers are current (within '06) and I use the ATI proprietary drivers in both XP and Linux - there is a standard ATI driver package that you download and then it just installs the proper version for your card. On an older laptop (prior to '05) I had similar issues with crashing, also on an ATI card, but different generation (was a Dell purchased in feb. '02). on my desktop workstation with an NVidia card, it works fine, although sometimes surfaces get rendered in the wrong place (something in background looks more in foreground, etc) - but I don't have problems with chimera getting killed (or killing the OS). any thoughts on having it run on my laptop? this machine is the only one I have access to outside of the lab, and was originally bought for this purpose (reconstructions and processing). thanks, -jeff

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Flickering graphics
by Thomas Goddard 22 Dec '06

22 Dec '06

Hi Murali, What kind of flickering do you see when moving maps in Chimera? Does the surface appear shattered? One nvidia graphics driver bug I have seen causes the surface to appear broken into many triangles instead of smooth while it is moved. Or is it tearing that you see? That is when the top half of the screen momentarily shows one position for the map but the bottom shows a different one. That happens because you are moving the model and the redraw is not synchronized to the vertical refresh of the display. That is a graphics driver setting problem. Or does flicker mean it appears like every other frame is black? Every possibility I can think of points to a graphics driver problem, not a Chimera problem. You can check on Linux what graphics driver you are using with the glxinfo command: % glxinfo ... OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: Quadro4 500 GoGL/AGP/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 1.5.2 NVIDIA 66.29 ... The OpenGL renderer and version lines tell you the driver. If it says "Mesa" this means you have no driver installed and it is using software rendering (no hardware acceleration). Usually a new Linux system does not have a graphics driver installed by default so you have to get the driver from the NVidia web site. http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp The latest Nvidia GeForce driver version is 9746. The first step to try to fix your problem is update to the newest driver. Tom > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:42:43 -0600 > From: "Murali Ayaluru" <mayaluru(a)gmail.com> > To: goddard(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > Subject: flickerings in model > > Hi, > > Greetings! > > I am using Chimera (chimera-1.2304-linux.exe) in Linux (FC-6) environment. > Basically I use this > for visualizing the structures generated from EM. While moving the model > (either vertical or horizontal) and also while rendering the volumes, I saw > lot of flickering in the model. Is there some parameter I have to change > to fix this problem? The graphic card we use is nVidia GeForce 7300 LE. I > don't have much experience in linux OS. Any suggestions to fix the problem > will be highly appreciated. > > Thanks and have a nice day. > > Regards, > Murali

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Benchmark results
by Daniil Zaitsev 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

hi - here is benchmark result for new version of Chimera. Original benchmark progress log file is attached. Graphics NVidia GeForce Go 7200 Processor Intel Core Duo T2050 Clock (MHz) 533 OS Type Windows Surface 990 Mesh 368 Contour 148 Solid 173 Recolor 87 Notes Laptop Test Date 12/06 Chimera Version 2304 Machine HP Pavilion dv2000t Graphics Memory (Mb) 128 Main Memory (Mb) 1024 OS Version XP Home Driver Version 8.4.6.4

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compressed versus gzipped Re: Read compressed PDB files -question, suggestion
by Moo Cow 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

A thousand pardons. You are right. I phrased the question wrongly. Chimera does open gzip'd files ( xx.gz). It does not open compress'd files (xx.Z). > You can also open gzipped files with Chimera's "open" command or as > an argument as you start Chimera. [...] > > You can use the Chimera File / Open... dialog to directly open a gzip > > PDB file. This was added to Chimera about one year ago. It does not work Why, you may ask, would anyone use compress these days ? If you mirror or rsync the protein data bank, they are still distributing files that have been squashed with compress and have a ".Z" extension. gunzip will happily eat and uncompress these files. I do not know how chimera handles compressed files. If it reads from a pipe, it might be nice to persuade it to feed .Z files to gunzip. I think it might be more difficult if chimera uses the python/zlib interface. Many thanks -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com

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SDF format
by Randy Heiland 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

Just wanted to ask about Chimera's support for reading in SDF formatted files, e.g. from PubChem. It seems not to be one of the supported formats. Obviously we can use a converter to get pdb format, but thought I'd ask the experts. Thanks, Randy

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Transparent Ribbon
by Anna Feldman-Salit 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

Dear All, From some reason I cannot find the option of making ribbon representation transparent. Can you please give me a hint? Thanks a lot in advance, Anna

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saving with angles
by Gabor Papai 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

Dear everybody, Is there a way in Chimera to save density maps when I rotate them with the modified angles? In practice, I use the 'fit map in map' to align two maps in respect to each other and I would like to save them for further analysis with different softwares. Therefore I would like to conserve their position (shift and rotation). Thanks in advance, Gabor -- Gabor Papai IGBMC Department of Structural Biology and Genomics 1, rue Laurent Fries, BP 10142 67404 Illkirch, France phone +33-3-90244796 Fax +33-3-88653201 E-mail: papai(a)igbmc.u-strasbg.fr

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Delphi Controller
by sette＠uniroma2.it 11 Dec '06

11 Dec '06

Dear all, I have a simple question: does Delphi controller works under unix only or it is possible to work with it under Linux and/or Windows XP? Thanks a lot, Marco Dr.Marco Sette, Ph.D. Department of Chemical Sciences and Technology University of Rome, "Tor Vergata" via della Ricerca Scientifica, 00133, Rome, Italy e-mail: sette(a)uniroma2.it Tel.: +39-0672594424 Fax: +39-0672594328

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Read compressed PDB files -question, suggestion
by Moo Cow 08 Dec '06

08 Dec '06

We store the PDB locally, but compressed. Can one persuade chimera to read coordinates from a pipe ? Maybe this could be done at the python level. It might also not be too hard to use the python binding to the zlib library, but I would not know how to do this. I imagine the interest (or not) would not be limited to reading PDB files. many thanks for any suggestions. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com

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Apply the symmetry to the fitted models in map
by Hong-Wei Wang 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

Hi, Tom I remember you were showing docking a model into map with high symmetry (you showed the actomyosin filament example). I am wondering how you generate the symmetry in the docking and if the symmetry information is necessary for the correct fitting. Thanks a lot! Hongwei ----------------------------------- Hongwei Wang, Ph D MS 20A-355, LSD, LBNL 1 Cyclotron Rd, Berkeley, CA 94720 510-642-2222 (O) 510-642-8806 (FAX) hwwang(a)lbl.gov

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volume viewer issue
by Matthew Shawkey 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

Hi, I am using chimera to visualize a stack of EM serial sections. I can load them into Chimera (as MRC file), but when I try to view the stack in the volume viewer w the "solids" option all I see is a white square.. w the mesh and surface options the stack shows up as a grainy image on which it's difficult to see any depth.. any suggestions? THanks, Matt

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Uploading several trajectories for MDmovie
by Anna Feldman-Salit 04 Dec '06

04 Dec '06

Dear all, I would like to know if there is any possibility to sequentially upload several trajectories with MDmovie option (or command line) and then to visualize them with "no stop" in between. These trajectories were generated by AMBER with "restart" input files. Such an option happens to be in VMD, but it's more convenient for me to work with Chimera (I have Chimera1.2304). Thanks a lot in advance, Anna

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Fit models to map
by hsosa＠aecom.yu.edu 04 Dec '06

04 Dec '06

I wonder how the "Fit models to map" function do the fitting. Does it find the best cross-correlation value between a 3D density calculated from the atomic model and the 3D density map?. What is the maximum displacements and rotations tested around the current position? What is the step size of the rotations/displacements? Thanks Regards Hernando -- ----------------------------------- Hernando Sosa Dept. of Physiology and Biophysics Albert Einstein College of Medicine 1300 Morris Park Av. Bronx NY 10461 phone (718) 430-3456 FAX (718) 430-8819 email hsosa(a)aecom.yu.edu -----------------------------------

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Re: [Chimera-users] inter-surface calculations in Chimera
by Elaine Meng 01 Dec '06

01 Dec '06

Hi Gali, Eric forwarded your question to me. The Intersurf tool generates a surface between the interacting molecules that is different from the surface of either molecule - it is mainly useful for viewing an interface and showing its properties (for example, with coloring by hydrophobicity or electrostatic potential), but not for measuring the surface area. It is possible to measure volume and surface area in Chimera, but currently it is a long process. We hope to have a simpler process available in the future. I'll describe two different approaches. (1) the simpler and more approximate way to calculate buried surface area and void volume in the complex: approx buried surface area = [(surface area of X) + (surface area of Y) - (surface area of XY)] / 2 approx interface void volume = (volume of XY) - (volume of X) - (volume of Y) The "Measure Volume and Area" tool can be used to calculate the surface areas and volumes. [ http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/measurevol/ measurevol.html ] The trick is to first make a surface that encloses both X and Y and measure its values. Then, make surfaces that separately enclose X and Y and measure again. Here is a concrete example. PDB structure 1cf7 has two protein chains A and B, two DNA chains C and D, and some water. I'd open the structure and delete everything but the protein and DNA. command: open 1cf7 command: select :.a-d command: sel invert command: delete sel command: surfcat complex :.a-d command: surf complex Tools... Surface/Binding Analysis... Measure Volume and Area (measure values for the complex) command: surfcat protein :.a-b command: surf protein (choose the protein surface in Measure Volume and Area, compute again) command: surfcat dna :.c-d command: surf dna (choose the dna surface in Measure Volume and Area, compute again) Finally, use the equations above. All the results can be viewed in the Reply Log (under Favorites). These values are for molecular surfaces (also known as solvent-excluded, where the probe touches), not solvent-accessible (traced by the probe center). For this structure, I calculate approx 530 square angstroms surface area buried, approx 730 cubic angstroms of interface void volume. (2) A more detailed approach can yield different values for the areas buried on X and Y: (surface area of X buried in the XY interface) = (surface area from all atoms of X in surface enclosing XY) - (surface area from all atoms of X in surface enclosing just X) with a similar equation for Y. Currently, the only way to get atomic rather than total surface areas in Chimera is by using the "Area/Volume from Web" tool [ http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/surfvol/ surfvol.html ] which uses a Web server at NCBI and loads the atomic values into Chimera. Because the MSMS option of the server has problems with nucleic acids, the only choice for your complexes is to calculate solvent-accessible surface areas (not the solvent-excluded surface areas calculated by method (1) above). The main trick is to first send only XY to the server (making sure solvent, ions, etc. are NOT included). Then using Attribute Calculator, [ http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/calculator/ calculator.html ] sum the values for the atoms of X in that combined surface, and likewise get a total for Y. Then, delete everything except X and send it to the server again, getting the total for X alone. Close/reopen the structure, delete everything except Y, and send it to the server to get the total for Y alone. Subtract the value for X (Y) in the complex from the total for X (Y) alone. Here is a concrete example. PDB structure 1cf7 has two protein chains A and B, two DNA chains C and D, and some water. I'd open the structure and delete everything but the protein and DNA. command: open 1cf7 command: select :.a-d command: sel invert command: delete sel Tools... Surface/Binding Analysis... Area/Volume from Web - calculate "Accessible Surface (Gerstein)" for the "Molecule" which now consists of only the protein and DNA command: select :.a-b Tools... Structure Analysis... Attribute Calculator calculate an attribute (name doesn't matter) for "models" with the Formula: sum(atom.accessibleSurface) with the option "Restrict formula domain to current selection" write down the total for A-B (which is the PROTEIN IN THE COMPLEX) (I get approx 7473) command: select :.c-d calculate an attribute (name doesn't matter) for "models" with the Formula: sum(atom.accessibleSurface) with the option "Restrict formula domain to current selection" write down the total for C-D (which is the DNA IN THE COMPLEX) (I get approx 4502) command: delete :.c-d now only the protein is left Tools... Surface/Binding Analysis... Area/Volume from Web - calculate "Accessible Surface (Gerstein)" for the "Molecule" which now consists of only the protein - get the total for PROTEIN ALONE (Favorites... Reply Log) (I get approx 8842) command: close 0 command: open 1cf7 command: select :.c-d command: sel invert command: delete sel now only the DNA is left Tools... Surface/Binding Analysis... Area/Volume from Web - calculate "Accessible Surface (Gerstein)" for the "Molecule" which now consists of only the DNA - get the total for DNA ALONE (Favorites... Reply Log) (I get approx 5758) Use the equation above to get the buried solvent-accessible surface areas. I calculate approx 1369 square angstroms buried for the protein, approx 1256 square angstroms buried for the DNA. You can't compare these solvent-accessible areas to the solvent-excluded areas calculated by method (1) ... the solvent-accessible values are generally much larger. PHEW! I congratulate everyone who got this far. The written explanation makes it seem longer than actually performing the process. I hope this helps, Elaine On Nov 30, 2006, at 7:35 AM, galig wrote: > Dear Eric, > > I have a small question regarding the calculation of inter-surfaces in > Chimera: > I have several protein/DNA complexes, and I would like to compare > their protein/DNA interfaces. I used Tools-->surface/binding > analysis-->compute interface surface and chose the protein and DNA > chains. the result, if I understand it correct, is per atom. Is there > a place to find the overall number representing the contact surface? > is this a different or similar calculation? > One more thing- how do I calculate the void intermolecular volume > between the chains? > > Thank you and sorry to bother you, > > Gali Golan > Dept. of Inorganic Chemistry > The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem > Jerusalem 91904 Israel > Tel. 972-2-6585610 > Fax 972-2-6585319 > ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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Re: [Chimera-users] Chimera on x86_64?
by Thomas Goddard 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

Hi Ben, There's no technical obstacle to us making regular 64-bit linux Chimera distributions. The only issue is having time to do it. The work involves compiling the ~30 third party libraries that Chimera uses. I did this is the past and it took about one day of fiddling. Our Chimera build scripts compile all of the third party libraries automatically and my past hand fiddling to build on 64-bit linux would have to be put into our scripts. That could take a 1 to 5 days of work. We have a 64-bit linux machine to do the work on. So it all comes down to when one of the 4 developers (Tom Goddard, Eric Pettersen, Greg Couch, or Conrad Huang) has time to work on that. I don't think I will have time until January at the earliest. Could you give me a better sense of how much need there is in the Sali lab? Are you really saying you would not install 32-bit Linux system libraries except for Chimera? I would think there are a fair number of applications out there with binary distributions only for 32-bit. The other problem you point out is that 32-bit Chimera Python cannot use your own 64-bit Python modules. Are you using additional C Python modules within Chimera that do not come with Chimera? That is interesting -- what are they? Tom > From: Ben Webb <ben(a)salilab.org> > To: Eric Pettersen <pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:51:27 -0800 > Subject: Chimera on x86_64? > > I wonder if you could give me a rough idea of when you plan to make > regular builds of Chimera on x86_64 (if at all)? All I've been able to > glean from the download page and the mailing list archive is that you > do make occasional builds, but recommend the 32-bit version. > > Memory isn't so much of an issue for us in particular (although we are > increasingly looking at large EM maps) but the requirement to have > 32-bit libraries is starting to become a problem. All of our new > desktops are x86_64 machines, and it's a pain to require the 32-bit > libraries just for Chimera. Additionally, our users want to > mix-and-match Python modules (including Modeller, of course) and > Chimera is unable to import any module which has a C backend, since > they're compiled for x86_64 and the Python interpreter in Chimera is > 32-bit. (Of course, we could recompile all of our other Python modules > for 32-bit, but that would cause problems with x86_64 apps.) > > If you need people to test x86_64 Chimera builds, we certainly have > some demanding users here to break them. ;) > > Ben > -- > ben(a)salilab.org http://salilab.org/~ben/ > "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." > - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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Multiple Volume Viewer Windows and saving PDB file
by Batsal Devkota 28 Nov '06

28 Nov '06

Hi, I am just wondering if there is any way that I can have two or more volume viewer windows open at the same time. I am comparing two density maps and to be able to change the threshold and color for both maps, without having to go back and forth in the same window, would be much easier and useful. Also, I recently fitted a pdb crystal structure into a density map but was not able to save it with relation to the density map (the feature which was available in previous releases). However, if I have multiple pdb files open then I can save the pdb file of my interest with respect to the map. Is there anyway to save a fitted pdb file with respect to a density map without opening other pdb files? Thank you, Batsal. -------------------------------------------------- Batsal Devkota Graduate Student, School of Biology GeorgiaInstitute ofTechnology Atlanta, GA 30332-0400

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