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3D Graph
by Jake Chrzanowski 02 Mar '06

02 Mar '06

Hi, I've been reading about the program your working on,Chimera, and was wondering if it had the functions I need for a project I'm working on: I'm trying to create a 3D graph to represent an image and the distance that image is away from a source. I was looking at your Chimera program to do this. I was wondering if your Chimeraprogram had the necessary functions I needed to do this? If so, can you point me in the right direction on what the functions I need would be? Below I described a little more in depth of what I'm trying to do. First, I'll give you a little detail on our overall project so you have a better idea of what I'm dealing with. We're trying to measure the distance of an object using two cameras. Two identical cameras are positioned near each other with a separation distance and focusing angle. The Image-Processing Computer applies filters to conform the images so that meaningful features stand out in contrast to non-meaningful features (i.e. shadows, textures, glare, and reflections). The computer uses a vast array of image-processing algorithms to find key features in the images. Cross-correlation is performed between the features in both images to determine the line-of-site angle and separation distance. With that found, triangulation is performed to determine the distance that an object(s) is away from the cameras. ------------------------------------- Now, once we have determined the distance, we want to have a 3D graph display the object's distance away from the camera (part where I'd like to use Chimera), as they come into focus. (i.e. The graph will be continually updating at 10 frames/sec along with the cameras) I have attached a general 3D graph .bmp file to show you kinda what I'm looking for. (Obviously, the graph won''t portrude negative as the .bmp file since the camera only look in one direction) What I'm thinking is I will basically take in two parameters. 1) The coordinates of the edge detected (horizontal and vertical pixel location). Edges won't be detected in the entire area ( i.e. a wall focused in too closely will ideally show no edges). The graph will only be concerned with areas that edges were detected. 2) The other parameter that needs to be taken in is the computed distance from the cameras of the detected edge. This is the parameter that will determine how far the graph protrudes out in the z direction. Ideally, I would like for portions of the graph to change colors corresponding to a certain distance detected (i.e. 0-1 feet red, 1-2 feet orange, etc...). Also, something that isn't needed (but would make the graph look a lot better), is if I could use some interpolation functions so areas that were encompassed by edges would protrude out, too, instead of just the edges. Sorry about the length of this email. I just wanted to give you a good idea of what I'm looking for. I also attached a picture (" picture2.bmp") that had gone through an edge detection program. The white lines are detected edges. Everywhere else in the image now has a pixel intensity of 0. I'm looking for a library to help me accomplish all or most of these things listed with the 3D graph. I am an amateur at computer programming , so the simpler the better (I'm an electrical engineering major, we don't get a chance to learn too much about how to program). Anything you can help me with I would really appreciate. Thanks a lot for your time and I'll look forward to your response. -- Sincerely, Jacob Chrzanowski Electrical Engineering Student, NDSU jmchrz(a)gmail.com (701) 866-3120

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movies of gromos files
by John Robinson 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

Trying to visualize gromos trajectories. The Tk popup is asking for three files: Topology, Coordinates, and PROMD. I don't seem to be giving it the files it needs. What are the file extensions corresponding to these file types? (.top, .trr, .tpr)? Thx, -------------------------------------------- John M. Robinson, M.D., Ph.D. mailto:johnmrobinson@mac.com

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selection of atoms on the surface of a molecule
by kovzany＠go.com 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Dear All, Is there an easy way to select and save set of atoms (with their names and coordinates) representing VdW or solvent accessible surface of the given molecule? thanks, PK

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MTZ files
by Eran Shacham 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Hey there, I am not sure if this question should go into users or developers but I will first try here. Accept my apologies if this does not concern you and maybe you could fwd this email to someone who could help me out. I am looking to convert MTZ files into ccp4 map files (using Python). Is there an extension of Chimera that allows that? Can you please point out some documentations about the issue? Thanks in advance for your help and time, Eran.

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Ribbon path smoothing
by Jakob Toudahl Nielsen 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Dear Chimera users, I trying to create a ribbon model drawing of a DNA structure containting several abrupt chain-reversals in the DNA-backbone. By default the ribbon path is smoothed over five successive residues. This resuls in the ribbon path supressing the chain-reversals by oversmoothing the path. Is there any way to overide the default value of the FIVE succesive residues to a smaller number (e.g. TWO). Regards, Jakob Jakob Toudahl Nielsen Dep. of Chemistry University of Southern Denmark

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Making a new covalent bond
by Goel, Manisha 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Hi, I have often come across detailed answers from chimera group for a variety of modelling problems on pdb-l or bioinformatics mailing lists. My problem should relatively easy to solve except that I havn't been able to figure it out myslef on chimera. I just need to make a covalent bond between a sugar molecule and an aminoacid (aa-COOH + sugar-OH --> H2O + aa-sugar). Is there an easy way of doing this manipulation in Chimera ? Please advice ? Thanks a lot for your time and effort. -Manisha Goel Post-doc associate Bioinformatics Lab Stowers Institute for Medical Research Kansas city-66210

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chimera vrml issues...
by Thomas Goddard 27 Feb '06

27 Feb '06

------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:47:38 -0800 From: Janet Iwasa <jiwasa(a)gmail.com> To: Thomas Goddard <goddard(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> Subject: chimera vrml issues... Hi Tom, I was trying out some of those new scene export functions in Chimera that you showed me a while back, and I've been running into some issues. I've got a large ribbon structure that I wanted to export as VRML, but Chimera only wrote a small file that couldn't be opened. Using notepad, all the file included was the following: #VRML V2.0 utf8 Transform { children [ ] } Saving as a X3d file seemed to work (seemed like a reasonable size at 10 MB) but I couldn't use the translator (X3dToVrml97.xslt) to change to VRML since it appeared to run into memory issues. Trying to save as POV or Renderman either failed or crashed Chimera. Any suggestions? Janet ------- End of forwarded message -------

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question
by Stefano Ciurli 23 Feb '06

23 Feb '06

Hello, I am a new user of Chimera and I need to ask a question: let's say that I am loading several PDB files from the RCSB, all of them belonging to the same protein, the latter having 3 subunits A, B, and C. I need a way to operate on single PDB files (select and manipulate features of each PDB file at once). How do I do it? I can easily find the select->chain option, but it would operate on all chains of that type in all PDB files. Regards, Stefano

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Re: [Chimera-users] chimera vrml issues...
by Greg Couch 23 Feb '06

23 Feb '06

Forgot to cc the list. So to summarize: There some major bugs fixed with the X3D ribbon output in chimera version 1.2180 that affected the Renderman and POV-ray output as well. So please upgrade your chimera. I think I have fixed all of the problems, so if it still fails, please submit a bug report (ideally with enough data to reproduce the problem). As for vrml output, the xslt technology is slow, but works. In the X3dToVrml97.xslt file, it suggests using saxon.sourceforge.net's java-based converter, and I second that recommendation (it was the fastest of the alternatives I tested). Even when the X3dToVrml97.xslt method works, it has problems -- it outputs VRML 3.0 and most VRML importers expect VRML97 aka VRML 2.0. This is especially problematic for ribbons because ribbons use triangle strips for their geometry and 3.0 supports triangle strips while 2.0 doesn't. VRML97 doesn't support translucent colors either. Consequently, I have put improving the VRML output on my list of things to do. And if you have the option of using the Renderman output, use it, because it reproduces what you see in the chimera window the best of the various export formats. Greg Couch UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

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chimera vrml issues...
by Thomas Goddard 23 Feb '06

23 Feb '06

Janet Iwasa reports problems exporting ribbons and nucleotide renderings as x3d, problems converting x3d to vrml, and problems with POV and Renderman output. Tom ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:49:33 -0800 From: "Janet Iwasa" <jiwasa(a)gmail.com> To: "Thomas Goddard" <goddard(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> Subject: Re: chimera vrml issues... Hi Tom, Unfortunately, I still ran into a bunch of problems. The structure I had was a bunch of ribbons with some colored sphere residues. When I exported the scene as x3d and used the vrml converter (which did work but took forever on my home computer) it only appeared to export the sphere surfaces, not the ribbon. I ended up using a different program (called 'ribbons' - I think I talked to you about it before) to make a vrml of the ribbon structure. Then I took the colored spheres and superimposed it over the ribbon in Maya. It was pretty time consuming, but worked in the end. The structure (which was a nucleosome) also had some nice DNA representations using the depiction > nucleotide option, and those didn't seem to get exported to x3d either (could have been a problem with the x3d -> vrml conversion -- hard for me to tell where things went wrong). So I used multiscale models and exported the DNA as VRML that way, which worked perfectly, as always. I haven't tested it to see whether the x3d export only works with spheres or what. It took the better part of an hour to convert from x3d to vrml (and this for only 20 or so residues!), so I would love to find a better solution... Ideas? I think I'm pretty much done with that project for the time being, but it would be really nice to have the scene export stuff working. Any clue about what's up with the pov and renderman formats? Those may be easier to find converters for. thanks! Hope you're doing well, Janet ------- End of forwarded message -------

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Re: [Chimera-users] Chimera on Intel macs
by Eric Pettersen 19 Feb '06

19 Feb '06

Having received no major bug reports for the 1.2199 release candidate, we are promoting it to production release status. We have figured out how to make a combined release for Mac Intel and PPC, 10.3 and 10.4, so the download page is a little shorter. :-) --Eric

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Re: [Chimera-users] chimera vrml issues...
by Thomas Goddard 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

Hi Janet, The Chimera VRML export only exports surfaces (molecular surfaces, volume data surfaces, multiscale model surfaces). It does not export ribbons or atomic models. Some text in the Export Scene dialog describes this limitation when you select VRML as the File Type. The X3D export is probably the best option. It is a pain to convert but I would try the X3dToVrml97.xslt translator on a machine with more memory if you think that is the reason it is not working. If you don't have a machine available, we can try on one of our machines. Greg Couch here will need to look at the POV and Renderman failures. Tom

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Chimera 1.2176: surfaces fail for some structures?
by Anna Feldman-Salit 13 Feb '06

13 Feb '06

Hello, I have noticed that for 1.2199 version there is a "know bug" of surface failure. We have been working with 1.2176 version (which is probably even not release version). Apparently, I have the same problem with some of molecules (working with 1.2176). Is it occasionally or there is a "known bug" for 1.2176 too? Can you maybe recommend some version that has not such a problem? Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Anna.

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Chimera on Intel macs
by Eric Pettersen 11 Feb '06

11 Feb '06

The 1.2199 release candidate was compiled for PPC macs and fails on Intel macs despite Apple's emulation software. We are working on compiling natively for Intel macs and will send another mail when an Intel version is available. --Eric Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu

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labels in Chimera
by Sergey Ryazantsev 10 Feb '06

10 Feb '06

Dear Chimera users I am new in this area, so my question may sound stupid, but anyway. I am using Chimera for 3D model visualization (nothing to do with PDB etc). It's 3D models of biological macromolecules obtained using EMAN 3D reconstruction software. Often I need to compare a bunch of the models at the same time and I need them to be labelled (like 1,2,3,4 etc). I did not find easy way to label multiple objects, so labels would sort of stick to particular object and be independent from the other labels. How also, I could place labels in 3D space, so labels would be at different depth? Any ideas? Many thanks, Sergey. _____________________________________ Sergey Ryazantsev Ph. D. Electron Microscopy Lab UCLA School of Medicine Department of Biological Chemistry 10833 Le Conte Ave, Room 33-080 Los Angeles, CA 90095 Phone: (310) 825-1144 (office) (310) 206-1029 (Lab) FAX (departmental): (310) 206-5272 mailto:sryazant@ucla.edu

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chimera: gnuplot.py
by John Robinson 09 Feb '06

09 Feb '06

Dear chimera power-users: I can use the gnuplot.py library from the python command line without issue. However, when I try to do the same in IDLE under chimera, I get a broken pipe error. Any suggestions? --John -------------------------------------------- John M. Robinson, M.D., Ph.D. mailto:johnmrobinson@mac.com

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Chimera for 64-bit Linux machines
by jbrown 09 Feb '06

09 Feb '06

I'm curious - which production/snapshot release runs best on a 64-bit Linux machine? Also, if the current production releases don't run on such a machine, will there b onee in the near future? Thanks a lot. - Jesse Brown

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Stereo on Mac OS X, 10.4
by David Belnap 08 Feb '06

08 Feb '06

Almost a year ago, I asked if there were plans to support stereo on Mac OS X. Greg replied that Chimera could only when Mac OS X supported stereo-in-a-window (see my question and Greg Couch's answer below). There seems to have been some progress on this by Apple. Their "scientific visualization" page (http://www.apple.com/science/ researchsolutions/visualization.html) says: Thanks to its PCI Express architecture, the Power Mac G5 with the optional NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 graphics card gives researchers 3D stereo-in-a-window capabilities using a CRT display and Stereographics CrystalEyes liquid crystal shutter eyewear and E2Mac emitter. See also http://www.stereographics.com/apple.html. If I buy the NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 graphics card, will I now be able to run Chimera in stereo on a Mac? Thanks. David On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, David Belnap wrote: > As a follow-up to the discussion about stereo by Virginia and > Sabuj, will > Chimera currently, or in the future, work in stereo on a Mac > running OS X? > Only if Mac OS X supports stereo-in-a-window. That appears to be unlikely because stereo-in-a-window is a feature that is only supported on workstation-class graphics cards (NVidia Quadro, ATI FireGL, 3DLabs Wildcat), and Apple only sells consumer-class graphics cards (NVidia GeForce, ATI Radeon). chimera needs stereo-in-a-window, instead of full-screen stereo, so the scientist can still use the dialogs to control chimera. If we figure out a reasonable way to keep the (mono) dialogs working in full-screen stereo, then we will support stereo on the Mac. (This also presupposes that most of the Tcl/Tk on Aqua bugs are fixed.) For some other thoughts about stereo hardware, see: <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/pipermail/chimera-users/2004-September/ 000197.html> Greg Couch UCSF Computer Graphics Lab gregc(a)cgl.ucsf.edu ============================================ David M. Belnap Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry Brigham Young University Provo, Utah 84602 USA Phone: 801-422-9163 FAX: 801-422-0153 David_Belnap(a)byu.edu ============================================

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release candidate
by Eric Pettersen 08 Feb '06

08 Feb '06

Hi all, We've put a release candidate (1.2199) on the web. Here's a list of changes and new features: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ relnotes/1.2199.html . If any of them appeal to you, please download the candidate and give it a whirl and let us know if you find any problems. The main motivation for getting this release out is so that web-fetching PDB files doesn't break in a few months (the previous release is using a legacy URL to the RCSB web site that will likely go away). --Eric Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu

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DMS installation
by Steven Finckbeiner 06 Feb '06

06 Feb '06

The Dockprep and WriteMol2 files worked like a charm. Could anyone give me any pointers on installing DMS? I have spent the better part of a day following the instructions on the web site and I can't get the damn thing to work. I've gotten this far: 2187 atoms usr/local/lib/dms/radii: no such file or directory Thanks again! "Sometimes, life hits you in the head with a brick." Steve Jobs ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Finckbeiner 132 Grace Cancer Drug Center Roswell Park Cancer Institute Elm and Carlton Streets Buffalo, NY 14263-0001 (716)845-5818 --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.

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Re: [Chimera-users] Dockprep and WriteMol2
by Eric Pettersen 05 Feb '06

05 Feb '06

Hi Steve, Your Googling hit our development documentation, which includes features not in the latest production release and in some cases features that aren't in any release yet. Dock Prep is one of those. We are preparing a release candidate that we anticipate being on the web early next week that will include Dock Prep -- though I can't absolutely guarantee that there won't be an unforeseen hangup that delays it a few days. If you want to use Dock Prep ASAP, I could send you the relevant Python files to drop into your 1.2186 distribution -- let me know. As you noticed, the WriteMol2 module got mistakenly left out of the 1.2186 snapshot, so I would be sending you the files for that as well. The files I'd send you would include one small feature that won't be making it into the release candidate: structures with alternate atom locations will have them pruned to the locations with highest occupancy. --Eric Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab On Feb 4, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Steven Finckbeiner wrote: > I have Chimera beta version 1 build 2186. I think it's the latest > beta available. I'm trying to clean up some structures to run in > Dock. When I do a google search, the following page comes up: > > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/dockprep/ > dockprep.html > > I can't find Dockprep under the Surface/Binding Analysis menu. Is > this something that will come out in future versions but the web page > is already built? Or is it in later versions? If so which? My > particular situation makes it hard to get to SYBYL to assign charges > and define rigid and anchor sets. I was thrilled to see that > something like Dockprep has at least been concieved of. > > Also, when I try to save as mol2, I ! get the following error: > > "Import Error: No module named WriteMol2." > > I apologize ahead of time if this marks me as a hopeless novice. Any > help would be much appreciated. > > Steve > > > "Sometimes, life hits you in the head with a brick." > Steve Jobs > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Finckbeiner > 132 Grace Cancer Drug Center > Roswell Park Cancer Institute > Elm and Carlton Streets > Buffalo, NY 14263-0001 > (716)845-5818 > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses._______________________________________________ > Chimera-users mailing list > Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users

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Dockprep and WriteMol2
by Steven Finckbeiner 05 Feb '06

05 Feb '06

I have Chimera beta version 1 build 2186. I think it's the latest beta available. I'm trying to clean up some structures to run in Dock. When I do a google search, the following page comes up: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/dockprep/dockprep.… I can't find Dockprep under the Surface/Binding Analysis menu. Is this something that will come out in future versions but the web page is already built? Or is it in later versions? If so which? My particular situation makes it hard to get to SYBYL to assign charges and define rigid and anchor sets. I was thrilled to see that something like Dockprep has at least been concieved of. Also, when I try to save as mol2, I get the following error: "Import Error: No module named WriteMol2." I apologize ahead of time if this marks me as a hopeless novice. Any help would be much appreciated. Steve "Sometimes, life hits you in the head with a brick." Steve Jobs ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Finckbeiner 132 Grace Cancer Drug Center Roswell Park Cancer Institute Elm and Carlton Streets Buffalo, NY 14263-0001 (716)845-5818 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

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question on monitoring hydrogen bonds
by knutsost 04 Feb '06

04 Feb '06

Hi: I am interested in monitoring the hydrogen bonds which form/break between specific residues over the course of a MD simulation in CHARMM. I am wondering if you have any way to record things like bond counts over time for the set of residues, or just to spit out a list of the bonds which form and break over the trajectory time course? I really appreciate any help you could give me with this! Thanks, Stacy Knutson Research Associate Wake Forest University

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Re: [Chimera-users] control the movie play speed
by Mingfeng Yang 31 Jan '06

31 Jan '06

Eric Pettersen wrote: > Hi Mingfeng, > It hadn't occurred to me that one might want more than a 1-second > delay per frame (which is what you get when the slider is all the way > over to the left). Maybe I can do something about that in the future. > You can define a script to avoid all that clicking. Use the Movie > dialog's Per-Frame->Define Script... menu entry to bring up a panel > that allows you to define a script to run at each frame. You can > define a script of Chimera commands or Python commands. For what you > describe, Chimera commands can do the job. In the "Script" field just > enter "copy file <FRAME>.png png". When the command is executed, > "<FRAME>" will be replaced with the current frame number. You might > want to check the "Use leading zeroes..." check button so that the > files sort into the correct order when you 'ls' them. Then just run > your trajectory (probably with the "Loop" button checked off). > Bravo! This command rocks. Thanks! I should forward this to the mailing list; someone else must want to know it. Mingfeng > --Eric > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Mingfeng Yang wrote: > >> Hi, Eric, >> >> I did get your email. I am sorry that I didn't get back to you in >> time. The position of the slider does control the playback rate, but >> even the slowest is not slow enough for my case. I want at least a >> second pause after each snapshot, so that people can see the >> conformational change clearly. Finally, I just export every snapshot >> as png image and make a gif movie by connecting all the snapshots. >> Though I have to spend more time on it, this way gave me better >> picture quality. >> >> Can I define a script which automatically export each frame in the MD >> trajectory as png image? It's really a pain to click "save as" again >> and again. >> >> Eric, you are such a nice person. Thank you very much! >> >> Mingfeng >> >> >> >> Eric Pettersen wrote: >>> Hi Mingfeng, >>> Did you get my mail where I attached the two MPEG-4 files? >>> >>> --Eric >>> >>> On Jan 27, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Mingfeng Yang wrote: >>> >>>> Eric Pettersen wrote: >>>>> Hi Mingfeng, >>>>> You can use the main interface's playback slider to change the >>>>> rate that frames are played back. With the slider to the far >>>>> right there is no delay between frames, with it to the far left >>>>> there is a one-second delay between frames. This interacts with >>>>> recording just like you would expect -- extra frames get recorded >>>>> during the delay which produces a movie with the same apparent >>>>> playback speed as with a non-recorded playback. >>>>> >>>> Hi, Eric, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your replay! But actually, the recorded playback is >>>> more faster than the non-recorded playback. I tried the slider at >>>> different position many times. BTW: I save the movie as mpeg >>>> format. As usual, gentoo linux, chimera buld 2186. >>>> >>>> Mingfeng >>>> >>> >>> >> > >

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Chimera memory management
by lutetium＠gmx.net 31 Jan '06

31 Jan '06

Hi, I am currently working on few datasets that exceeds the given memory limit for chimera. The log file indicates: MemoryError: can't allocate memory for array How can I increase the memory for chimera? Any suggestion regarding chimera´s memory management would be appreciated. Thanks a lot, Mike -- Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko! Satte Provisionen für GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner

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