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volume viewer question
by Ben Keshet 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

Hi Chimera fans, Can someone please help me understand how to read and look at .nrg files (generated by Grid)? I am interested in visually exploring the electrostatic potential around a protein. Specifically, when I opened it, everything was in one color, with negatively charged regions being darker, but I would imagine that positively charged regions should have a different color. On a related note - is there a tool to calculate and view the electric field lines around a molecule / protein? Thanks for your time and help, Ben

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Poor performance with 30 molecules
by Thomas Goddard 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

Hi Ben, The main trick to improve efficiency in Chimera with many copies of a molecule is to use only the C-alpha coordinates. This is usually acceptable with working with EM data resolutions. You create a PDB file with only the CA atoms (can use "select @CA" command and Chimera File / Save PDB...) reducing the total number of atoms by 10x or more. Chimera is a very memory inefficient with molecules taking about 2 Kbytes per atom. This is about 10x worse than PyMol and VMD. You start feeling this at about 100,000 atoms and up and run into real trouble around 500,000 atoms if you are using 32-bit Chimera (no 64-bit available on Windows or Mac) because you run out of address space. The ability to rotate the models depends on rendering speed. Above 100,000 atoms only "wire" style will be fast and you must have a graphics driver installed (not Mesa on Linux). With a 4 year old graphics card (Radeon 9800 Pro) I get 10 frames per second with 200,000 atoms. With a newer card you should handle 500,000 atoms in wire at reasonable frame rates. Chimera session files include all the PDB atom coordinates. Chimera has no way to show 30 copies of a PDB file at different positions without having 30 independent copies of the data, except using surfaces with the multiscale tool. The multiscale tool does not interoperate easily with fitting in maps. Tom Elaine Meng wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Benoit Zuber <bzuber(a)mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> >> Date: October 2, 2008 10:24:34 AM PDT >> To: Elaine Meng <meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> >> Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] volume viewer window >> >> Hi Elaine, >> I just aligned a tiny subtomogram to a model with a lot of different >> parameter, which generated many volumes. Then I wanted to visualize >> all the results at once. Since each volume was tiny, chimera was not >> struggling, it was fine :-) >> >> However that reminds me another issue about memory I had sometime ago. >> I have a tomogram into which I have fitted many copies (more than 30) >> of the same pdb file. There are two problems: 1) compiling the session >> file takes ages (around 10 minutes I would say). Opening the compiled >> session file takes more than 1 minute. >> 2) if I display all the copies of the pdb, everything is very slow (I >> mean if I want to move anything in space, it takes very long). If I >> display only a few copies (plus 1 or two slices through the tomogram), >> then it works fast. >> >> For the 2nd problem, there is maybe no easy solution to speed up the >> calcultations, but for the first one, since we are dealing with copies >> of a single pdb, wouldn't it be possible to make the process faster? I >> reckon that the coordinates of each atom of each copy of the pdb are >> saved. Would there be a way to save only one copy and transformation >> matrix for every copy? Would it speed up file saving-compiling-opening >> operations? >> >> Cheers, >> Ben > > Hi Ben, > I know Tom Goddard has made many recent improvements in Volume Viewer > memory usage and speed, but it sounds like your main issue is many > atomic structures rather than lots of volume data. > > If the PDB copies are identical except in transformation, there is some > capability in Multiscale Models to only store one copy of the > coordinates and show the others as low-res surfaces. However, as soon > as you try to show any more detailed display such as ribbons or atoms > and bonds, the full coordinates for that copy are loaded. If you > actually want to view ribbons/atoms/bonds for each copy, I don't know of > any mechanism to save memory. Also, to use Multiscale Models in this > way, you would have to generate an input PDB file with matrices > describing all of the transformations, which sounds difficult. Yet > another way to handle multiple coordinate sets for the same atoms is as > a trajectory. However, then you can only view one member of ensemble > (one "time step" from the trajectory) at a time, so that also would not > solve your problem. > > I CC'd Tom and Eric in case they have any ideas. > Best, > Elaine > >

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Re: [Chimera-users] [Fwd: Re: [Dock-fans] DMS replacement]
by Elaine Meng 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

Hi Christian, We're glad you like the "Write DMS" tool in Chimera! <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/dms.html#writedms> Note that it does not run a surface calculation, but simply converts the molecular surface already shown in Chimera into the DMS format for output. Thus it effectively uses whatever parameters you had used to calculate the molecular surface in Chimera. That is currently done with MSMS (included with Chimera), a different program than DMS with different heuristics, so even with the most similar parameters possible I don't think the dots would be in exactly the same places even though the surfaces would basically coincide. More about molecular surfaces in Chimera: <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/representation.html#surfaces > If you used Chimera defaults for surface calculation, the probe radius is the same as the DMS default (1.4 Angstroms), but the atomic radii and dot density are different. The dms man page says the default density gives about 5 dots per square Angstrom. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/dms1.html> You could set the Chimera molecular surface vertex density to 5 (instead of the default 2) to be similar to the dms default. To change an existing surface, Ctrl-click to select it and then for "MSMS surface" in the Selection Inspector (Actions... Select) change the "vertex density" value. If you want to change the Chimera defaults so that future surfaces will be created with that density, choose Favorites... Preferences, go to the "New Surfaces" category, change the value, click Save. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/preferences.html#New%20Surf… > Default atomic radii in Chimera: <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/vdwrad.html> I don't believe the old DMS default radii are necessarily better than the Chimera default atomic radii, but if you really wanted to set the radii in Chimera to these values, it can be done with the "Define Attribute" tool or the command "defattr" along with the attribute assignment file dmsrad.txt attached below (it is a very small, simple text file). <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/defineattrib/defin… > I personally favor having Write DMS as a separate tool from Dock Prep because I think people should display the surface, adjust which part is displayed (since there is a nice option to only write what is displayed), and possibly change the surface calculation parameters rather than clicking a single button on Dock Prep to just do everything and write the whole surface without tailoring it to the situation. Best, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab (Chimera team) and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html > > From: Christian Schudoma <schudoma(a)mpimp-golm.mpg.de> > Date: October 2, 2008 5:48:57 AM PDT > To: "dock-fans(a)docking.org" <dock-fans(a)docking.org> > Subject: Re: [Dock-fans] DMS replacement > > I think WriteDMS is a very nice new feature for Chimera. Does it run > with the same default parameters as the original dms? > > Also, I wonder if it would be possible to integrate WriteDMS into the > DockPrep tool? Maybe add an option there to run surface generation and > WriteDMS automatically when DockPrepping a molecule? > > Thanks & best regards, > Christian >

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Display symmetry axis
by Thomas Goddard 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

Katryna Cisek asks about display of symmetry axis: Hello Tom, Thank you for your suggestion, the code below is working very well for finding the symmetry information that I need for my dimers. Is it possible to visualize the axis of symmetry and the shift? I'm trying to reproduce a reference dimer conformation/symmetry using two monomers that have been docked to each other, but have not been able to get the exact symmetry numbers as for my reference structure, Thanks, Katryna On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Tom Goddard <goddard(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: > > Hi Katryna, > > > > To find a dimer symmetry axis I would open two copies of the PDB model. If > > the monomers are chain A and chain B then align chain A of one copy to chain > > B of another copy using the matchmaker command. Then print the rotation axis > > of the transformation between those two models. Unfortunately there is no > > command for this last step so I've attached a Python script that will print > > that information. > > > > Tom > > > > Example use: > > > > # > > # Report the transformation mapping one model to another, including axis of > > # rotation. Written to find dimer symmetry axes. Example: > > # > > # open 1f5w > > # open 1f5w > > # mmaker #0:.a #0:.b pairing ss > > # open symaxis.py > > # > > # Reply log output: > > # > > # match 1f5w, chain A (#0) with 1f5w, chain B (#1), score = 601.8 > > # RMSD between 118 atom pairs is 0.337 angstroms > > # > > # Matrix rotation and translation > > # 0.69329933 -0.72016666 0.02638219 22.81733764 > > # -0.72021136 -0.69368986 -0.00948567 58.05835625 > > # 0.02513232 -0.01242434 -0.99960692 102.03253762 > > # Axis -0.92013562 0.39134963 -0.01399645 > > # Axis point 0.00000000 33.92575324 50.81758910 > > # Rotation angle (degrees) 179.90850597 > > # Shift along axis 0.29797742 > > # > > > > > > Katryna Cisek wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Is there a way of calculating symmetry for a dimer structure >> >> in chimera, e.g. axis of symmetry? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Katryna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chimera-users mailing list >> >> Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu >> >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users >> >> > > > > > > # > > # Report the transformation mapping one model to another, including axis of > > # rotation. Written to find dimer symmetry axes. Example: > > # > > # open 1f5w > > # open 1f5w > > # mmaker #0:.a #0:.b pairing ss > > # open symaxis.py > > # > > # Reply log output: > > # > > # match 1f5w, chain A (#0) with 1f5w, chain B (#1), score = 601.8 > > # RMSD between 118 atom pairs is 0.337 angstroms > > # > > # Matrix rotation and translation > > # 0.69329933 -0.72016666 0.02638219 22.81733764 > > # -0.72021136 -0.69368986 -0.00948567 58.05835625 > > # 0.02513232 -0.01242434 -0.99960692 102.03253762 > > # Axis -0.92013562 0.39134963 -0.01399645 > > # Axis point 0.00000000 33.92575324 50.81758910 > > # Rotation angle (degrees) 179.90850597 > > # Shift along axis 0.29797742 > > # > > from chimera import openModels > > from Matrix import xform_matrix > > from FitMap.gui import transformation_description > > from Accelerators.standard_accelerators import show_reply_log > > > > xf0, xf1 = [m.openState.xform for m in openModels.list()] > > xf = xf0.inverse() > > xf.multiply(xf1) > > tf = xform_matrix(xf) > > print transformation_description(tf) > > show_reply_log() > > > >

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volume viewer window
by Benoit Zuber 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

Hi, In the pannel threshold and color in the volume viewer window, is there a way to switch between the displayed histograms? For example I have 33 volumes open, but I can only modify the threshold for the last 8 volumes that I opened, even if I set the maximum number of displayed thresholds to more than 8. Indeed then the window is not large enough to display all the thresholds. Thanks in advance, Ben -- Benoit Zuber MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology Hills Road Cambridge CB2 0QH UK

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cannot interpolate models: underlying C++ Atom object is missing
by Frembgen Kesner, Tamara A 01 Oct '08

01 Oct '08

Hello, Does anyone know what the error message cannot interpolate models: underlying C++ Atom object is missing means? (And what I can do about it?) I am getting this message when I attempt to create a morph between two .pdb files using minimize. Thank you.

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Re: [Chimera-users] 1HLA- how to make ribbon image?
by Elaine Meng 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Hi David, To summarize for the chimera-users list: 1HLA is an alpha-carbon-only structure, which cannot be shown as a ribbon in Chimera. However, there are many other structures of this protein, several at higher resolution and including all backbone atoms, allowing them to be displayed as ribbons. This Uniprot page has a long list of structures (about 80% of the way down is a "3d structure databases" section): http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/P01892 The best resolution looks like 1.4 Angstroms, structures 1i4f and 1oga. Both match up with the CA-trace in 1hla quite well. Since they include all backbone atoms, they can be displayed as ribbons. I suggest using 1i4f. 1oga is just as good but has two copies. I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab (Chimera team) and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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1HLA- how to make ribbon image?
by Edelshtein, David 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Hello, I am an ITL researcher, I use chimera for making a ribbon image of 1HLA molecule, and I need to mark specific residues, (by the number/position). So far, I am unsuccessful in converting wire style to the ribbon style. Please let me know if you can help, advice or direct me to required info. David, Edelshtein SRA II UCSF ITL

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COLOURING A SUBUNIT
by Tom Goddard 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

skmolugu(a)miners.utep.edu wrote: > Hi, > thank you very much for your reply, > I have another question, is there a way to colour a symmetric map which has 4 subunits in to four different colours? > thank you for your time, > regards, > sudheer. > Hi Sudheer, If you have 4 monomer PDB models fit into the map, color them differently (e.g. command "rainbow chain"), then use the Color Zone tool to color the map to match the monomers. http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/tutorials/volumetour/volumetour.html#colorz… The Chimera volume guide may help with future questions: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/tutorials/volumetour/volumetour.html Tom

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Re: [Chimera-users] SEPARATING A SUBUNIT
by skmolugu＠miners.utep.edu 29 Sep '08

29 Sep '08

Hi, I have a CryoEM density map with 14 subunits with seven fold symmetry. Is there a way in chimera to separate only one subunit from the entire map. thanks, sudheer

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Calculating RMSD for ligand
by 吴超 27 Sep '08

27 Sep '08

Hi, dear folks, I want to evaluate the docking performance by calculating the RMSD of heavy atoms between ligand crystal conformation and docked conformation. I use the following command: rmsd #0:1.het & ~element.H #1:1.het & ~element.H But Chimera seems to forget the correct order and give a pairwise alignment not the way I want . I wonder if there is a way that I can get the correct selection order so as to calculate RMSD. Best -- Chao Wu Currently: National Institute of Biological Sciences, Beijing Huang Niu's Lab http://www.nibs.ac.cn/ Tel: 80726688-8572 Address: Beijing ZhongGuanCun Life Science Park, NO.7 Science Park East Road, NIBS B427 Postcode: 102206

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calculating symmetry for a dimer structure
by Katryna Cisek 26 Sep '08

26 Sep '08

Hi, Is there a way of calculating symmetry for a dimer structure in chimera, e.g. axis of symmetry? Thanks, Katryna

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calculating symmetry for a dimer structure
by Katryna Cisek 26 Sep '08

26 Sep '08

Hi, Is there a way of calculating symmetry for a dimer structure in chimera, e.g. axis of symmetry? Thanks, Katryna

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error in vista
by Mugnaioli, Enrico 25 Sep '08

25 Sep '08

Dear Chimera Users, I installed Chimera in my new PC, working under Vista. Apparently, the installation was fine, but when I started the program I got this error. What can I do? Best regards, Enrico Mugnaioli

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adding H
by Barbara Truitt 25 Sep '08

25 Sep '08

I have a compound which has an imidazole ring. When I Add Hydrogens, no hydrogens are added to the nitrogen atoms when I use the build from 9/21/08. The build from 9/4/08 adds the hydrogens, but some of the charge assignments in the resulting mol2 file don't make sense. Barb Truitt

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Re: [Chimera-users] Creating and visualizing a plane
by Elaine Meng 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Monica Tello wrote: > I found this very useful, thanks! > I have been trying to do a similar thing but creating a sphere to > put it surrounding the residues in the active site. I tried to > create a big water molecule, and this made the trick until I was > stuck because I can't change its transparency. Then I thought about > creating a marker such as you described for the plane, but I am not > familiar with creating these marker files and I am probably missing > commands in the .cmm file, because Chimera can't open the file and > is giving an error with the info written in it. > Could you help me out with it? Hi Monica, A marker is really just an atom, so that wouldn't make a difference. Normally you would use "Volume Tracer" (under Tools... Volume Data) to create the marker interactively with the mouse and then save it as a file from that tool instead of creating the file with a text-editor. I only edited the file in my example so I could specify the coordinates exactly. In fact, I created 3 markers interactively, saved the marker file from Volume Tracer, and then just edited the x,y,z coordinate values. You can make an atom/marker transparent by creating a transparent color and then using it (for example, choosing Tools... Utilities... Color Editor, clicking Opacity to include a transparency slider, creating the color, and using "colorpanel" as the color name in a command or "Actions... Color... from editor" in the menu). <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/colortool.html> You can also create and name transparent colors with the "colordef" command: <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/colordef.html> Show the atom in the sphere representation; you can change its radius, for example by selecting the atom and using a command something like: vdwdef 5.0 sel <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/vdwdefine.html> In fact, the "Volume Eraser" tool (under Tools... Volume Data) just makes a big transparent marker and its dialog has convenient controls for changing its color, radius, and position, so you might want to try that instead: <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/voleraser/volerase… > Yet another possibility is to make a spherical surface instead of an atom/marker. This can be done with the command "shape": <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/shape.html> You can move that spherical surface relative to your structure and change its color just as described for the planar surface in my earlier message to Jim. I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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Unable to turn reset multisampling. Graphics hardware supports request, but can not switch while maintaining display data.
by Andy LiWang 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

Dear Chimera, I just installed Chimera on my Dell XPS 1210 laptop (Windows Vista; Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family). I get the following error everytime I start Chimera: Unable to turn reset multisampling. Graphics hardware supports request, but can not switch while maintaining display data. Molecules are not properly rendered and does not hide objects rotated behind other objects. I.e., some object appear in front regardless of rotation. This is a new problem. Chimera used to work fine on this computer. However, recently, I had Windows Vista reinstalled. Since the reinstallation, Chimera has these new problems. Any ideas? Thanks, Andy -- Associate Professor School of Natural Sciences UC Merced Atwater, CA 95301 Tel: (209) 228-4617 Fax: (209) 724-4356

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Re: [Chimera-users] Generating random helix
by skmolugu＠miners.utep.edu 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

Dear Chimera team, Is there any option in chimera that builds helix in a map at a position that is assumed to be a helix. thanks, sudheer

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Out of topic for Elaine
by Francesco Pietra 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

Hi Elaine: Although out of topic, as the author of the program "grid" you could be in the best position to give me general advice. Selecting spheres for only a portion of the protein failed to execute "grid" (at 0.3A grid_spacing) in a reasonable time. I choose this route in the hope to be able to examine docking (DOCK6) for the various parts of the molecule, in order to have the whole. I believe to have good reasons to do that. Is that what one should expect or does it mean that I did something wrongly? Thanks francesco pietra

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Movie recording
by Ibrahim Moustafa 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

Dear Chimera team, I have a problem with making a movie of morphed conformations in chimera (only for chimera 1.2548 installed on my laptop running XP). After doing the ³morph² when trying to record the movie I got the following error message: ³Error stopping/encoding movie: MidasError: Keyword and¹ does not match any known keywords² I don¹t understand the error message and what does it mean by ³keyword and²? I¹m not running a script. I don¹t have this problem with the Mac version of Chimera. The funny thing is that I was able to create a movie on the windows version a week ago. I¹m not sure if this problem has relation with XP and perhaps some new updates! Any idea how to solve this problem? many thanks for your great help. Ibrahim -- Ibrahim M. Moustafa, Ph.D. Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Dept. 201 Althouse Lab., University Park, Pennsylvania State University PA 16802 Tel. (814) 863-8703 Fax (814) 865-7927

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Creating and visualizing a plane
by James Nettles 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

I'm not sure if this is a function available in Chimera. I have a protein system with three residues which define a plane, or floor, relative to an active site. I would like to display a translucent plane passing through the alpha carbon of these three residues to shoot an image. Further, I would like to quantify deviation of mobile regions relative to this plane. Thanks, Jim ________________________________________________________ James Nettles, Ph. D. Assistant Professor Department of Pediatrics, Emory University School of Medicine ________________________________________________________

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Scale_bar Gradient Color
by Anindito Sen 22 Sep '08

22 Sep '08

Hi All A simple question- How do I color the scale bar (in a gradient form). Also Has anyone experienced the problem of scale bar giving an incorrect measurement when a density map in .dat format is displayed in Chimera? Best Andy Dr. Anindito Sen (Ph.D) Research Associate , Dept. of Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics University of Virginia Box 800733 Charlottesville, VA 22908

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Show position in volume
by Magnus Gedda 22 Sep '08

22 Sep '08

Hello, I'm quite new to Chimera and have a small but annoying problem. I can place a marker in the volume and move it around, but I cannot find a way to see the xyz coordinate of the marker. How do I do this? Is there any other way to find out the xyz coordinates of a position in the volume? Best regards, Magnus

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VRML scene
by Eduardo Sanz García 19 Sep '08

19 Sep '08

Is it possible to export a VRML scene of only what it is been displayed in the window instead of the whole model? I wasn't able to open in chimera X3D files exported with chimera itself. Does chimera only writes but not read X3D files? Thank you.

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Colouring surfaces from EM density maps
by David Bhella 19 Sep '08

19 Sep '08

I am looking at some rather noisy cryo-tomography data and I would like to create something akin to icosahedral and spherical sections, using different shapes (cylinders, ellipses etc). I have found spherical and icosahedral sectioning to be a valuable way to represent density and would like to use this in other types of structure. Is it possible to colour the surface of an imported VRML object in the same way as spheres and icosahedra are in the tools>volume data>surface colour dialogue? In my current chimera installation, VRML objects are not listed in this window.... The sort of effect I want to achieve is similar to that described here: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/tutorials/volumetour/volumetour.html#icossu… except that I want to use custom geometries.... Many thanks, Dave Dr David Bhella MRC Virology Unit Church Street Glasgow G11 5JR Telephone: 0141-330-3685 Graphics lab: 0141-330-2989 Mobile: 07717-202439 Virus Structure Web Site: http://www.mrcvu.gla.ac.uk/research/bhellad/virus_structure.htm Molecular Machines - Images from Virus Research (Art Exhibition): http://www.molecularmachines.org.uk Departmental Web Site: http://www.mrcvu.gla.ac.uk/staff/bhellad.html

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code 5 error
by steve field 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

Hello' I am trying to render a surface depiction on various fluorescent protein molecules. The program seems to work with some but not others. A code 5 error message displays. Any insight into what is causing this? PyMol is able to depict the surface from the same PDB file and Chimera works with other molecules, but not the one I need. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you, steve field _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5…

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Re: [Chimera-users] [chimera-dev] Hydrophobicity
by Elaine Meng 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

On Sep 18, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Leo O'Young wrote: > Hi Elaine, > > Thanks for such a quick and detailed response. > I am looking to get the Hydrophobicity-Surface model so > the it will look smoother...the edges not so rough. > I am not very technical, hopefully I am making some sense. > I have attached a file. > > Thanks again, > Leo Hi Leo, In that case, I think you want to change the "vertex density" surface parameter mentioned in the previous message. That uses a greater number of points and thus triangles in the surface, leading to a smoother appearance. However, be aware that doing this may decrease the interactivity (slow down responses to movements with the mouse) depending on your computer, so you may need to experiment a little to find a happy medium. Actually the picture you sent is of a rather small molecule, so I don't think there will be any slowdown. If you were showing a huge protein or several proteins it would be more likely. Best, Elaine

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Re: [Chimera-users] [chimera-dev] Hydrophobicity
by Elaine Meng 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

On Sep 17, 2008, at 10:14 PM, Leo O'Young wrote: > > I am new to the list, I am wondering if it is possible to increase > the geometry > of the Hydrophobicity-Surface models. > > Thanks, > Leo Hi Leo, Welcome! The "hydrophobicity" in the preset is just a coloring scheme, so I will set that aside and discuss molecular surfaces. I am not sure what you mean by "increase the geometry." There are several ways you can adjust molecular surfaces in Chimera: change vertex density, probe radius, and also the radii of the underlying atoms. It is a molecular surface by the Richards definition, also known as the solvent-excluded surface, made of probe contact and re- entrant patches; it shows the VDW surface of the structure except with crevices smoothed. Currently Chimera does not show the solvent- accessible surface, which is where the probe center goes. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/representation.html#surfaces > If you mean you want to make the surface "bigger" to enclose a greater volume, that can be done by increasing the VDW radii of the atoms, and to a lesser extent, increasing the probe radius, which will smooth the crevices more. One way to increase VDW radii is with a command; this would increase all radii by 0.7 A, for example: vdwdefine +0.7 (the command ~vdwdefine changes the radii back to defaults). <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/vdwrad.html> <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/vdwrad.html#changing > To change probe radius or other parameters of an existing molecular surface: - Ctrl-click the surface to select it - open the Selection Inspector (click the greenish button on the lower right corner of the Chimera window or choose Actions... Inspect from the menu) - in that dialog, Inspect "MSMS surface", and then edit the various parameters as desired <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/inspection.html#msmsprop > You can also set preferences to use different parameters for surfaces created in the future, so you don't have to change each one after you create it. To do that, choose Favorites... Preferences, go to the New Surfaces category, change parameters as desired and click Save. That only pertains to surface parameters, not VDW radii of atoms, however. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/preferences.html#New%20Surf… > I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab (Chimera team) and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html _______________________________________________ Chimera-dev mailing list Chimera-dev(a)cgl.ucsf.edu http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-dev

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Protonating ASP and GLU
by Francesco Pietra 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

Is there any special reason why, in the AddH option, side chains are only considered for HIS (with full options)? Why similar options are not given to protonate GLU and/or ASP at the carboxylate? The general option to consider H-bonding does not work in my case for such residues close to one another in space with Chimera (the two O atoms of two ASP residues are at 2.56A from one another). Even Reduce, supposed to protonate close lying carboxylates, failed in my case. This is why I would consider to add that option in future versions of Chimera. Thanks francesco pietra

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heavy black awful nuisance grid
by Barry Lever 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

AS a new user of Chimera, I apologize for asking what , for many of you, is probably a trivial question.... initially when using Chimera ,creating an image (using pseudobond Reader) and then saving an image file, (save image) all worked well, but in the last couple of days, every time I save an image file in whatever mode (png, tif, jpg etc), I get my image with a heavy black grid across it.(and on two different computers). I am using Chimera 1.254. Is there a simple fix- it feels like a conflict. I attach one of the images Thanks for your help (Windows XP, SP3) Barry -- A. B. P. Lever Distinguished Research Professor Emeritus Chemistry, CB124, York University 4700 Keele St., Toronto, Ont., Canada M3J 1P3 Tel:416-736-2100 x22309 Fax: 416-736-5936 http://www.chem.yorku.ca/profs/lever

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solaris version
by o.h.weiergraeber＠fz-juelich.de 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

A question to the chimera developers: Having used chimera for several years on IRIX and Linux machines, we can say it is maybe the most useful tool available for molecular visualization and related purposes. However, most important (freeware) packages in the field of x-ray crystallography have also become available as Solaris(x86) versions over the past few years. In my opinion it is quite an attractive platform mainly because it avoids all the confusions and incompatibilities arising from the multitude of distributions in the Linux world. Thanks to the overall conceptual similarity to Linux compilation should (in principle) not run into tremendous problems. I would try myself, but the source code available is not complete afaik :( So, are there plans for a Solaris version of chimera in the near future? In previous discussions on this mailing list I found there are even some Solaris-related comments in the source code ;) Greetings Oliver ------------------------------- Dr. Oliver H. Weiergraeber Institute of Neurosciences and Biophysics Molecular Biophysics Research Centre Juelich D-52425 Juelich Germany Phone: +49-2461-612028 Fax: +49-2461-612020 ------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Pyrazine problem
by Francesco Pietra 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Hi: I am dealing with pyrazine compunds in view of docking with DOCK6. The two nitrogens proved problematic for Chimera so that, to simplify, I tried with pyrazine itself, getting the same problems. I used for getting the pdb the MM package I am familiar with: 1. draw benzene, 2. replace two para carbons with N, 3. replace the H on N with a lone pair. The two nitrogens are now indicated of MM3 (or MMX) type 37 (-N=C-/PYR (DELOCALIZED). The charge on the nitrogens is 0.15, on the lone pairs -0.21, on carbon 0.14, on H 0.04. Save as pdb, load to Chimera, then Tools, Structure editing .. Add charge, it results total charge -2. In fact, commanding addH adds a hydrogen to each nitrogen and the resulting molecule is neutral, while it should be +2. If in Chimera I save the loaded pdb as mol2, the two nitrogens result of Tripos type N.pl3, i.e., trigonal planar nitrogen, which is the wrong type. Naively, I replaced N.pl3 with N.ar (aromatic nitrogen) in the mol2.file, getting the same results on reloading the mol2. So the two packages, MM and Chimera are internally consistent but (for the first time in my experience with both packages) they are not mutually consistent. I tried to build pyrazine atom-by-atom, getting the same results. Attached is the pdb and the mol2. When opening the pdb, Chimera says: "Ignored bad pdb record found on line 26"; actually there are fewer than 26 lines. Thanks for help francesco pietra

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Re: [Chimera-users] rotational/translational shift from reference structure
by Elaine Meng 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

On Sep 15, 2008, at 3:13 AM, julien(GWDG) wrote: > > I wanted to know if there is a way in chimera to get the same > information as the shortcut ai but for small molecule. > When I use "ai" with small molecule I get the message : "not enough > back bone atoms", which is normal because there is no back bone atom > and because the molecule is small. > But I have a rigid docking of one ligand and I would like to see > what is the rotation components (rotation matrix) between the > different pose. Of course one could just do it by a small C++ script > but if chimera has it already implemented it would be easier for us. > > Thank you for your support and your nice soft. > > many greetings > > Julien > Hi Julien, Thanks for the compliments! There are commands to do a similar thing, although not in one step. The "match" command will fit the specified atoms and give an RMSD. Unlike the ai shortcut, it moves one structure onto the other. <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/match.html> Then you can use the "matrixget" command to report the transformations of the structures. However, note this reports the total transformation: all movements that have been applied, not just what happened in the fitting step. To get only the fitting transformation, you would first need to "reset" the reference structure so it is untransformed, then "match" the other structure onto it, then use "matrixget." <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/reset.html> <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/matrixset.html> For example, using two different structures with FAD: open 1f3p open 2npx focus preset apply int 1 reset match #1:fad #0:fad matrixget - Don't move anything around by hand between "reset" and "matrixget"! The last command sends the matrix info to the Reply Log. In this case the atoms in FAD are ordered and named consistently, so I could simply use the residue name in the match command. If you only wanted to use certain atoms, or if the atoms were not ordered and named consistently, you would have to give the atom names in the match command. I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab (Chimera team) and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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Re: [Chimera-users] trouble installing linux i386 executable
by Eric Pettersen 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Hi Blake, I've certainly had problems that "solved themselves" like that. :-) I hope further use of Chimera is less mysterious! --Eric On Sep 15, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Blake Mertz wrote: > Eric, > > Thanks much for looking into that for me -- actually, I came back to > my machine the next morning, ran the install command exactly as > specified on the website, and it ran this time. I swear I wasn't > hallucinating when I sent that message, so thanks again for taking > the time. I'm definitely looking forward to using Chimera, as a > former student in our research group had nothing but good things to > say about it. Talk to you soon. > > Blake > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Eric Pettersen <pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> > wrote: > Hi Blake, > _Seems_ like it should work. Running from the directory with the > Chimera installer, what is the output of the following commands: > > df . > sudo pwd > sudo ls -l > sudo ls -ld . > sudo ls -ld .. > > --Eric > > Eric Pettersen > UCSF Computer Graphics Lab > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu > > > On Sep 10, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Blake Mertz wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> My name is Blake, and I'm a postdoc at the U. of Arizona. I'm >> starting >> to use Chimera after using Pymol for a long time, but have had >> trouble >> getting it installed. After downloading the .exe file and changing it >> to an executable, here is the error message I get: >> >> blake@omega:~/Desktop$ ls -l chimera-1.2540-linux.exe >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 blake blake 97898302 2008-09-10 14:12 chimera-1.2540- >> linux.exe >> blake@omega:~/Desktop$ sudo ./chimera-1.2540-linux.exe >> [sudo] password for blake: >> sudo: unable to execute ./chimera-1.2540-linux.exe: No such file or >> directory >> >> There has to be something obvious I'm missing here, correct? I'm >> running Ubuntu v. 8.04, if that helps. Thanks, and talk to you soon. >> >> Blake >> >> -- >> Research Assistant >> Department of Chemistry >> University of Arizona >> >> "Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have >> perseverance and above all confidence in ourselves. We must believe >> that we are gifted for something and that this thing must be >> attained." Marie Curie >> _______________________________________________ >> Chimera-users mailing list >> Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users > > > > > -- > Research Assistant > Department of Chemistry > University of Arizona > > "Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have > perseverance and above all confidence in ourselves. We must believe > that we are gifted for something and that this thing must be > attained." Marie Curie

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trouble installing linux i386 executable
by Blake Mertz 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Hi, My name is Blake, and I'm a postdoc at the U. of Arizona. I'm starting to use Chimera after using Pymol for a long time, but have had trouble getting it installed. After downloading the .exe file and changing it to an executable, here is the error message I get: blake@omega:~/Desktop$ ls -l chimera-1.2540-linux.exe -rwxr-xr-x 1 blake blake 97898302 2008-09-10 14:12 chimera-1.2540-linux.exe blake@omega:~/Desktop$ sudo ./chimera-1.2540-linux.exe [sudo] password for blake: sudo: unable to execute ./chimera-1.2540-linux.exe: No such file or directory There has to be something obvious I'm missing here, correct? I'm running Ubuntu v. 8.04, if that helps. Thanks, and talk to you soon. Blake -- Research Assistant Department of Chemistry University of Arizona "Life is not easy for any of us. But what of that? We must have perseverance and above all confidence in ourselves. We must believe that we are gifted for something and that this thing must be attained." Marie Curie

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(Thermal ellipsoids) anisotropic temperature factor ellipsoids
by David Chenoweth 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Dear Chimera team, Does Chimera have the ability to display anisotropic temperature factor ellipsoids and if not can this feature be added? Thanks in advance, Dave Chenoweth ********************************************** David M. Chenoweth California Institute of Technology Division of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering Mail Code: 164-30 1200 California Boulevard, 91125 Pasadena California, USA Phone: 626-395-6074 Email: dchen(a)caltech.edu **********************************************

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Crash with Intel graphics on Windows fixed
by Greg Couch 12 Sep '08

12 Sep '08

We have been seeing a large number of bug reports from Windows laptops with Intel graphics (both XP and Vista, as well as desktop systems) with the lastest chimera production release, 1.2540. The symptoms include, but are not limited to, jumbled surface triangles, incorrect lighting, "unable to share data" errors, wglMakeCurrent failures, "pure virtual function called", and the inability to exit chimera. The bug has been isolated to the Intel graphics driver and a workaround has been added to chimera. The fixed version of chimera is available today in the Daily Builds section on the chimera website, <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/alpha-downloads.html>. Greg Couch UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

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grid across graphic
by Barry Lever 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

AS a new user of Chimera, I apologize for asking what , for many of you, is probably a trivial question.... initially when using Chimera ,creating an image (using pseudobond Reader) and then saving an image file, (save image) all worked well, but in the last couple of days, every time I save an image file in whatever mode (png, tif, jpg etc), I get my image with a heavy black grid across it.(and on two different computers). I am using Chimera 1.254. Is there a simple fix- it feels like a conflict. Thanks for your help (Windows XP, SP3) a low resolution example is appended Barry -- A B P Lever Distinguished Research Professor Emeritus York University, Chemistry CB124 4700 Keele St., Ontario, Canada, M3J 1P3 Tel: 416-736-2100 x22309 Fax: 416-736-5936 http://www.chem.yorku.ca/profs/lever

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rotational/translational shift from reference structure
by KATRYNA CISEK 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Dear Chimera developer, I would like to analyze a set of dimer structures based on a reference dimer structure. Unfortunately a simple RMSD calculation does not capture the translational/rotational shift that occurs. Is it possible to extract a plane of rotation and degree of rotation between two structures in chimera? Thanks, Katryna

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rmsd in nogui mode
by Ryan 10 Sep '08

10 Sep '08

Hi again, I'd like to save the rmsd values calculated by chimera's 'rmsd' command when running in 'nogui' mode. What's the best way to go about this? Thanks! -ryan

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addh question
by P. Law 10 Sep '08

10 Sep '08

Hi, I am analyzing water-water and water-protein hydrogen bonds in a dataset of high resolution crystal structures. As part of this analysis, I will need to add hydrogens to water molecules and to the protein. I was wondering how well the "addh" tool can place hydrogens on water molecules in the first shell around the protein? If addh is not the right tool for this task, are you aware of any freely available programs that can add hydrogens to 1st shell water molecules in PDB files? Thanks for your help! Sincerely, Peter Law Graduate Student Biochemistry Department University of Washington

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importing general 3D models into Chimera
by Jeff Triffo 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

hi users, I figure someone on this list has run across this before. I have been using a modeling/CAM tool - Rhino - to generate a 3D model that I would like to import into Chimera, if possible. Does anyone have a "best way" to go about doing this? Rhino is a NURBS modeler that will export as .dxf or .dwg (AutoCAD), .ai (Adobe Illustrator), .fbx (MotionBuilder), .obj (Wavefront), .igs/.iges (IGES), .sat (ACIS), and .stl (Stereolithography). It also saves in its native format - .3dm - but that is a NURBS (openNURBS) format and I realize that Chimera does not render NURBS. Of the export options above, having limited familiarity with Illustrator, I am unsure what the nature of "3D" is in that format. thanks for any suggestions, -Jeff

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surface capping command
by Gabriel Lander 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

Is there a way to turn on surface capping from the Chimera command line?

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saving images -- wire representation at higher dpi
by Ryan 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

Hi, I am trying to save higher resolution images that contain some residues with a wire width of 2. I have noticed that when i increase the dpi of the images, the saved images look different than what is displayed in the viewer -- nodes appear at each atom of the residues that are displayed as wires. As i increase the dpi of the saved images, the nodes become increasingly exaggerated (of a thicker radius than the wire bonds). Is this what should be happening? If so, is there a way to have both the atoms and bonds save with the same radius? Thanks a lot, ryan

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Models or chain
by hsosa＠aecom.yu.edu 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

I have created a model from several PDB files and saved it using the save PDB utility in chimera. The resulting PDB file had the different molecules separated in the PDB file with the lines MODEL 1 . . . MODEL 2 . . . MODEL 3 . . . and so on. Is it possible instead to save the PDB file as one model but using different chain names for the different molecules ?. Thanks Hernando -- ----------------------------------- Hernando Sosa Dept. of Physiology and Biophysics Albert Einstein College of Medicine 1300 Morris Park Av. Bronx NY 10461 phone (718) 430-3456 FAX (718) 430-8819 email hsosa(a)aecom.yu.edu -----------------------------------

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Re: [Chimera-users] reading in hdf5 files in chimera
by Joshua Turner 08 Sep '08

08 Sep '08

Hi, I have created a 3D hdf5 file and am having trouble displaying it in Chimera. Is there something specific chimera looks for that it needs to read in the .h5 file, to be able to display the file? Thanks, Josh

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SGI build going the way of the dodo
by Eric Pettersen 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

We are decommissioning our SGI machines as of September 15th, which means that the 1.2540 release was the last production release for SGI and that daily builds will stop on the 14th or 15th (those final builds will remain available on the Daily Builds page for a few months at least). --Eric Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu

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Re: [Chimera-users] aqua version of Chimera
by Elaine Meng 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

On Sep 3, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Anindito Sen wrote: > Hi Eline > The aqua version of Chimera when installed on my Macbook(memory > 4GB, proc. 2.2 Core 2 Duo) seems to come up with a strange problem > of flickering of the main display window each time I move another > window or alter the position of a crystal structure. However I have > not faced anything on the MacOSX (X windows)version. I was > wondering what possibly can be the reason and that if ony one else > in the community have faced similar problem of this type. > Best > Andy > > Dr. Anindito Sen (Ph.D) > Research Associate , Dept. of Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics > University of Virginia > Box 800733 Charlottesville, VA 22908 Hi Andy, This behavior in Aqua Chimera is intentional, allowing a window to become active immediately instead of requiring an extra click when you move the cursor into that window. However, if you would rather have extra clicking than the flickering, you can turn it off in recent versions of Chimera (within the last month): open Preferences (under Favorites), change to "Mouse" category, set "Window focus follows mouse" to false. This preference only appears in the Mac Aqua version. I would like to remind everybody: To ask questions, please email chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu (unless something confidential is included), and to report problems, please use "Help... Report a Bug" or email chimera-bugs(a)cgl.ucsf.edu . It is better to send to these e-mail addresses than to an individual, because that person might be on vacation or unavailable at the time and you might not get an answer. I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab (Chimera team) and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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Re: [Chimera-users] sulfone files
by Eric Pettersen 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Hi Barb, There are two issues here. One was that though the heavy-atom positions were identical, the added hydrogens weren't positioned identically because of "steric clashes" between the two molecules when placing hydrogens (this was in some fairly newly-added code). I modified the new code to ignore clashes between sibling submodels (other analogous older code was already doing this). With the modified code and with the two PDB files merged so that the molecules open into model 0.1 and 0.2, the hydrogens get added identically. The other issue is that antechamber only determines charges to somewhere around 0.01 accuracy, even with the atoms at identical positions. Now, Chimera is supplying antechamber with identical positions, but giving them in a different order between the two residues, so that the resulting output isn't identical. I've modified the add-charge code so that it will now present the atoms in the same order as they were input -- so the result is that the charges vary only minimally now. Nonetheless, they shouldn't really be perceived as more accurate than about +/-0.01 charge units. You'd probably have to ask on the Amber mailing list why this is so and if there is anything that can be done or will be done about it. These changes will be available in tonight's daily build, which you could get tomorrow from www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera -- follow the "Daily Builds" link. --Eric On Sep 3, 2008, at 6:17 AM, Barb Truitt wrote: > Eric - Thank you for your help. I find the Chimera list incredibly > helpful. > I've verified that the pdb files have the same coordinates. I also > redid the DOCK PREP without any rotation of either molecule and > still have different charge assignments. Here are the four files. > The carbons that vary the most between the two are the ones in the > aromatic ring with a single methoxy group and the ones near the > chlorine. I'm also sending an Excel file where I've sorted the atoms > based on their coordinates so that I could check the assigned > charges. I've color-coded the carbons that vary significantly. > > Barb > <charge > comparison > .xls > > > < > SSR149415 > .pdb><SSR149415_SR4.pdb><SSR149415_SR_T.mol2><SSR149415_T.mol2>

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problem with chimera
by Jean-Paul Armache 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Hello, Due to some long needed changes, I have switched to CentOS 5.2. Everything was fine for some time, but then, when trying to run Chimera, I encountered the following error (applies to all versions of Chimera on my harddrive - 1.2470, 1.2492 and 1.2540): Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/chimera/chimera1.2492/share/__main__.py", line 65, in ? value = chimeraInit.init(sys.argv) File "/opt/chimera/chimera1.2492/share/chimeraInit.py", line 302, in init splash.create() File "/opt/chimera/chimera1.2492/share/chimera/splash.py", line 17, in create splash = Tk.Frame(root, background="white") File "/opt/chimera/chimera1.2492/lib/python2.4/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 2375, in __init__ Widget.__init__(self, master, 'frame', cnf, {}, extra) File "/opt/chimera/chimera1.2492/lib/python2.4/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1862, in __init__ self.tk.call( _tkinter.TclError: unknown color name "white" I have tkinter installed, python running properly, everything functional. Except for that. Do you know what could be done to fix it? Best, Jean-Paul

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