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Reading of charges from PRMTOP file and labeling atoms with charge value ?
by Marek Maly 01 Jun '10

01 Jun '10

Dear all, when using PRMROP/INPCRD(RST,MDCRD) files to load molecule - is Chimera able to read CHARGE information from the PRMTOP file ? If Chimera is able to do it, how is then possible to label atoms with it's charges ? It seems to me that the recommended commands sequence focus labelopt info charge label works only after "Add Charge" procedure which is trying to calculate charges according the residuies in loaded molecule but I do hope that that there is also way how to simply visualize charge values which are already present in the PRMTOP file. Thanks a lot in advance for your comments ! Best wishes, Marek Maly -- Tato zpráva byla vytvořena převratným poštovním klientem Opery: http://www.opera.com/mail/

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How to hide/show sets of 'named selections' ?
by Ajith Harish 01 Jun '10

01 Jun '10

I have a model with multiple proteins. Each protein chain is split into a separate pdb file (and so separate model). I have selected domains of some proteins or complete chains or others and assigned names to them from the 'namesel' command. I am unable to select multiple named selections at a time to hide certain selections. Could you please let me know how to hide/show groups of named selections. Thank you, Ajith

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Vector artwork
by Mallela, Krishna 01 Jun '10

01 Jun '10

Hi, In Chimera, how do I save the image into a vector artwork which can be edited by Adobe Illustrator? Krishna -- Krishna M. G. Mallela, Ph. D. Assistant Professor of Biophysical Chemistry Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences University of Colorado Denver C238-P15, Research 2 12700 E 19th Ave Aurora, CO 80045

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Re: [Chimera-users] Using Chimera to read SMILES string into structure
by Robert Hanson 01 Jun '10

01 Jun '10

Elaine, I picked up this thread off the web archives. I've just implemented reading SMILES into Jmol ( http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/new.htm) but I'm pretty dissatisfied with that IU service. Do you know what they are really doing for that? For example, in that one you have there, *C\C=C/C=C/CCCCCCCCCO I note that **C\C=C/C=C\CCCCCCCCCO * gives the same result. Far as I can tell they require C\C=C//C=C\CCCCCCCCCO which as far as I can tell is invalid SMILES. At least, Daylight's DEPICT thinks it is invalid. It has also made several mistakes with relatively simple stereochemistry that I have tried. Is this your experience as well? Bob Hanson principal developer, Jmol -- Robert M. Hanson Professor of Chemistry St. Olaf College 1520 St. Olaf Ave. Northfield, MN 55057 http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr phone: 507-786-3107 If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900

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attributes
by sette＠uniroma2.it 28 May '10

28 May '10

Hi, I created my attribute file (attached) and defined by I cannot see it in the Render (by residues) attributes. I missed something? Since it was defined I don't think it has to be put in some particolar directory, or not? Thanks, Marco Dr.Marco Sette, Ph.D. Department of Chemical Sciences and Technology University of Rome, "Tor Vergata" via della Ricerca Scientifica, 00133, Rome, Italy e-mail: sette(a)uniroma2.it e-mail: m77it(a)yahoo.it Tel.: +39-0672594424 Fax: +39-0672594328 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Invito da parte dell'Ateneo: Il tuo futuro e quello della Ricerca Scientifica hanno bisogno del tuo aiuto. Dona il 5 x mille all'Universita' di Roma Tor Vergata codice fiscale: 80213750583 http://5x1000.uniroma2.it

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Virus Capsid Reconstruction--Slow Performance
by Carlos Lopez 27 May '10

27 May '10

Hello, I am currently trying to make a pseudo-atomic resolution model of a virus capsid, but I've run into memory problems whenever I try to combine all the asymmetric units together into one large PDB file composed of 60 copies of the asymmetric unit arranged using icosahedral symmetry. My problem is that I keep running out of memory, and I was wondering whether this is normal for the dataset I'm working on. The method I use has worked fine for smaller models, so I'm sure I'm running into the memory problems because this model is particularly large, but I still wanted to check with you guys to see what else I could try. I first start out with an asymmetric unit composed of 52 copies of protein gp24 (PDB ID: 1YUE [monomer] and 1Z1U [hexamer]). That is, I use 8 hexamers and 4 monomers. The individual chains in the unit are stripped to their alpha-carbon backbone by removing all their residues (including the solvent) to minimize how much memory they take up. The monomer weights 47.274 kDa (with residues), so that gives about 22,347 total residues for the asymmetric unit. After stripping off everything except the backbone, I ended up with a 6.4 MB PDB file. After positioning the model, I then run the command sym #1 group i,222r. This creates the 59 other copies in the expected locations. The problem arises when I try to combine all the units together into one model. Having all the models open takes up about 10 GB (out of my machines 16 GB) worth of memory, though there is still some inactive and free memory left. When I then use the copy/combine command, the memory required rises steadily until it starts to page out to the swap space and bring the machine to a grinding halt. I tried leaving it to run overnight (+18 hours), but even then it still wasn't finished. To recap: I'm trying to do a memory intensive reconstruction. I've already: 1) closed all the other models I'm not working on 2) closed all other programs on the machine 3) removed all the side chains so I'm only working with the alpha-carbon backbone 4) tried the chimera --nogui option to send the commands without having to render the graphics It's still having issues, so I was wondering if you had any additional ways I can cut down on the memory usage enough to combine the units into one map. Here are some of the things I'm still thinking of checking on: 1) Running the job on a computer with no graphics card but more RAM than my desktop station. I am able to SSH to the machine and send instructions through the console and the chimera --nogui option. Is it a problem that it doesn't have a graphics card? 2) Checking for a memory leak in Chimera--I've noticed that sometimes not all the memory is given back when I manually close models in the model panel. How can I check for sure/fix it from within a session? I've been able to deal with this by closing my session and opening it again, but it'd be best to be able to do it from within a session. 3) My system keeps saying I still have 4 GB of inactive RAM, though it's never used. I don't know if this is an issue with Chimera or with my machine, but I'll try to find out. If you need any more info, please let me know. Thank you for your help! ~Carlos Lopez My system specs: Mac Pro 4,1 Mac OS X 10.6.3 Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 2.66 GHz 1 proc, 4 cores 16 GB memory Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285, VRAM total: 1024 MB Chimera: Alpha version 1.5 build 30286 2010-03-23 platform: darwin 64bit, windowing system: aqua

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a simple question
by Amitoj Chopra 27 May '10

27 May '10

Is there any way to use the R script and bio3d package to open a pdb with Chimera using R? Thank you. Amitoj

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locking docking
by Alex Perálvarez Marín 27 May '10

27 May '10

Dear all, after running a Docking, I want to build a covalent bond between the receptor and the ligand and then run MD simulations. Is it done with the "build structure" menu? There is another way of doing it? Probably this has been discussed earlier, can you direct me to that topic? Thanks a lot! Alex

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creating virus capsid
by Elaine Meng 27 May '10

27 May '10

On May 25, 2010, at 10:39 PM, 江一波 wrote: > hello meng! > how can i construct a virus by chimera? > i have get a nucleocapsid protein about a virus from > http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/results/results.do?outformat=&qrid=9B6E87D9&tabtosh… > such as ,i get ID :2I9F structure...one of a nucleocapsid for a virus ...this is symmetrical structure! > i want construct a virus ...how can i do? is there somethings paper about how to construct ? > thank you!!! Sometimes the PDB file will include matrix information needed to build the capsid. If it does, you can use the Chimera tool "Multiscale Models" to show the whole thing. However, the authors of this structure (2I9F) did not include the necessary information in the PDB file. Next I tried to see if that structure is in VIPERdb, which would also allow showing the whole thing in Chimera. However, when I tried "File... Fetch by ID" and entered 2i9f for the VIPERdb database, it was not found. Sorry, I don't have any ideas about how to make a whole capsid from this structure. A different structure that does include the information is 1POV. If you open that one, then start Multiscale Models (under Tools... Higher-Order Structure) and click the "Make models" button near the bottom, it will show the whole capsid. Please send Chimera questions to the chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu address. Thanks, Elaine ------------------------------ Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. UCSF Computer Graphics Lab (Chimera team) and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco

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translation of proteins with added pseudobonds
by Joern Lenz 26 May '10

26 May '10

Dear all, here is my problem: I have a protein and added pseudobonds that make up a triangle in order to highlight a pharmacophore. However, as soon as I loaded in the pseudobonds and translate my protein afterwards, the triangle made of pseudobonds does not do the same translation but kept being at its original position. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong ? Any answer is much appreaciated. Cheers, Joern

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problems reading .rec file
by Shawkey,Matthew D 25 May '10

25 May '10

Hi, I have a .rec density map 2000x2000x1000 (xyz) but when i open it in Chimera it only shows the first image of the series (i.e. the dimensions are 2000x2000x1). do i need to convert it to a different format? thanks Matt ***************************** Matthew D. Shawkey, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Biology Integrated Bioscience Program University of Akron Akron, OH 44325-3908 (office) +1 330-972-8192 (lab) +1 330-526-3225 http://gozips.uakron.edu/~shawkey

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measure rotation rod
by le monk 25 May '10

25 May '10

Hi all, I have used measure rotation to draw a rod down an axis of symmetry. Does anyone know a way of altering the diameter, length and color of the rod? Many thanks _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now

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prmtop
by richardbonnet 24 May '10

24 May '10

Dear, Is there a way to use writeprmtop with the command line? Is it a way to use chimera to write prmtop amd inpcrd files for a ligand (gaff type + am1-bcc charge) + the corresponding protein (Gasteiger charges + ff99sb) with the command line? I have lot of problems with input format for antechmaber. It can intersting to use chimera with the command line to solve this type of stuff. Thank a lot per avance, Richard Bonnet

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Amino acid substitution with Chimera
by Hayeon Kwak 19 May '10

19 May '10

Hi, I am currently working on a homology-modelled protein. How do I mutate a certain amino acid with Chimera? For example, if I wanted to mutate 55N into 55K to look at how the structure changes, what would I do? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: [Chimera-users] weighted distance
by Greg Couch 19 May '10

19 May '10

On 05/19/2010 02:07 PM, Eric Pettersen wrote: > Hi Bala, > > On May 18, 2010, at 2:04 AM, Bala subramanian wrote: > >> 1) When i type help(object) in chimera's python shell, it shows the >> help message, is there any to way to make the help information to be >> displayed in a separate window. I tried in config setting but i >> couldnt make it. > > I don't know of any way to make help() output go elsewhere. > Here's a technique to bring up the help() documention in your web brower: (1) start the IDLE tool in chimera (2) type into the IDLE dialog: import pydoc pydoc.gui() At that point, pydoc brings up a dialog where it says it started up a web server on your computer and you can "open browser" to browse all of the builtin chimera and Python documentation. There are a couple downsides: (1) chimera becomes unresponsive until you press the "quit serving" button and then chimera exits -- so browse the documentation with one chimera and program in another, (2) pydoc fails for some chimera modules, e.g., the important chimera module -- that's a pydoc bug unfortunately. - Greg

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weighted distance
by Bala subramanian 19 May '10

19 May '10

Dear Friends, Is there any way to display weighted distance in chimera. For example, in the attached data file, we have distance in column 1 and its corresponding importance in column 2. What i would like to do is to load the structure, display the distance between two group of residues and adjust the width of the line (created by distance monitor) according to the importance of the distance in the data file. Thank you, Baa

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Re: [Chimera-users] Grouping models
by Thomas Goddard 19 May '10

19 May '10

Hi Thomas, I don't understand well enough what you are doing. You can move several models at once with commands like turn y 30 models #15-25 coord #1 which will rotate models 15 through 25 about the y axis of model 1 by 30 degrees. I'm not sure if a Chimea command can save multiple PDB models in a single file. It looks like the "write" command can't do that. I'm not sure why it would be limited since the Chimera Save PDB... dialog can save multiple models. Probably Elaine or Eric can explain that. You could use the "combine" command to make one molecule from several molecules using multiple chains, but PDB format is limited to 62 chains (single letter upper/lowercase/number chain identifier). The combined molecule could then be saved with the "write" command. Tom > Hi Tom, > > we are working at the interphase of EM and atomic structures and would > like to do some interactive docking/prediction/validations etc . So our > wish would be if we can use chimera in an automatic fashion to load > atomic coordinates and simulate the structures by positioning them at > various positions within a volumetric box (such as applying a rotation, > turn around x, etc). The problem that we have is that we have to load > many structures (>60 !) at the same time as we are working with a highly > oligomeric complex. It would be great, if we can use a chimera > command-line based option to do the modifications of coordinates on a > sub-group of the loaded structures (Q: can we group several models > easily ?) and save the new coos in a single file. For now, we would need > to do it by hand, as we couldn't find a command line based saving > options into a single pdb-file .... but this can be quite tedious, if > one would like to test hundreds of possibilities. Do you have a > procedure that you would recommend for generating such simulations (for > now, we treat the structures as rigid bodies) ? > > Best, > -Thomas > >

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Saving BRIX volume file, missing data
by Thomas Goddard 18 May '10

18 May '10

Hi Miguel, I just tested saving volume data in BRIX file format on Chimera 1.4 and also with the current daily build and both worked correctly, nothing left out. Could you send me an MRC map that when I open it and save it as BRIX does not work correctly? Also please give me the exact Chimera version and operating system (Help / About Chimera...). BRIX format saves only 8-bit values. So if you have a large range of values -- say most map values are 0-10 and then one is 10000, then all the 0-10 values will be reduced to the same value (0) when it is forced into the 8-bit BRIX value range by a linear scaling. Thanks, Tom > Hi Tom, > > Thank you! This way I can extend the number of total torsions at least ten times, though I'm not sure I'm gaining much with that. I will see better once I start filling VdW volumens. > > Just a remark: I have noticed something wrong with brix format maps: they are not saved properly, a part of them is left out. I haven't found out whether this is a problem with a certain count threshold, or a number of grid points, the fact is that a good part of the map is lost. This happens whether I save it from the script as you say or from the GUI using the File menu of the Volume Viewer. So I am using MRC format for the time being, which works fine in all cases. > > Best regards, > > > Miguel > > Le 17 mai 2010 à 19:40, Thomas Goddard a écrit : > >> Hi Miguel, >> >> The Python call to save your volume data model v in a file is >> >> v.write_file('/tmp/myfile.brix', format = 'dsn6') >> >> If you do not want to create the volume model you can instead directly write out the grid object. >> >> from VolumeData import save_grid_data >> save_grid_data(grid, path, format) >> >> I figured this out by looking at the write_file() Python code in >> >> chimera/share/VolumeViewer/volume.py >> >> The allowed formats are listed in the file_writers variable in >> >> chimera/share/VolumeData/fileformats.py >> >> Tom >>

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Re: [Chimera-users] Save session for movie
by Eric Pettersen 18 May '10

18 May '10

Hi Francesco, On Apr 19, 2010, at 12:29 AM, Francesco Pietra wrote: > If at all, I did not understand if a continuous trace of the centroid > (instead of a series of balls) can be obtained in the context of the > protein. That would improve the presentation further. Otherwise, the > series of balls for the centroid, with appropriate choice of radius > and step size, shows the pathway of the ligand through the protein > adequately. Nothing simple comes to mind. One way that's a bit of work would be to save the centroid information to a file (the 'Save' button on the Axes/Planes/Centroids interface) and the use a text editor to create a BILD file (BILD format) showing lines/cylinders connecting the centroid centers. > As a minor point, I was unable to render helices transparent. > Transparency would help to to see the centroid trajectory in between > helices. Should be possible unless there's something wrong with your graphics cards. Try this: Select->Structure->secondary structure->helix Actions->Color->from editor This will bring up a color editor. Try making a transparent red. For me, the editor looks like this when I do that: (note the "Opacity" box is checked) and the structure looks like this: --Eric Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu

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accessing atom information
by Bala subramanian 17 May '10

17 May '10

Friends, I have just begun to explore the chimera-python linkage. I loaded a pdb file using chimera.openModels function. Then i tried to loop through the residues and display atom information based on a condition. >>>for r in mymodel.residues: *#this works for me* if r.type=='ARG': print r.atoms >>>for r in mymodel.residues: *#this dose not work. I know there is a ARG residue with id 151.* if r.id=='151': print r.atoms I dnt understand how atom attributes are packaged within a residue. Kindly write me few examples of accessing atom information from a residue. Thanks, Bala

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clip planes in vrml
by Daniel Gurnon 17 May '10

17 May '10

Hi all, I'm thinking of the 3D printing of physical models, and how informative clipping planes can be....would it be feasible to add capped-clip planes to vrml output? I also ran into a problem when I exported a surface to vrml and tried to view it with Adobe 3D reviewer. The color information didn't transfer. This isn't a problem when saving ribbons or bonds as vrml. Dan -- ____________________________ Daniel Gurnon, Ph. D. Assistant Professor of Chemistry DePauw University Greencastle, IN 46135 p: 765-658-6279 e: danielgurnon(a)depauw.edu

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Re: [Chimera-users] Creating movies
by Tom Goddard 15 May '10

15 May '10

Hi Matthew, The movie images including the command-line is very weird -- never heard of that happening before. It is almost certainly a graphics driver problem. You can try a Chimera daily build which uses a different image capture method. Also you can report the bug with the version you are using Chimera menu entry Help / Report a Bug.... That will give us information about your graphics card and driver that may help us advise you further. Tom > Tom, > > Thanks for the note -- regarding "all my commands show during the > movie" -- > > When I use the command line interface, the entire chimera window gets > recorded, not the viewing window with the protein. When I play back > the movie, I see the tool bar complete with the command line. I > even get to watch the text appear in the command line as it was > entered. I am using the linux version and will take the opportunity > to try the daily build. > Thanks for the help. I'll keep you updated. > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > > > Tom Goddard wrote: >> Hi Matt, >> >> Not sure what you mean by "all my commands show during the movie". >> Your second problem sounds like part of the image is corrupted and >> that is most likely a graphics driver problem causing the saved >> images to be wrong. You might want to try a Chimera daily build >> instead of the Chimera 1.4.1 production release because the daily >> builds use a different image capture method that may work better on >> your machine. >> >> You might also look at the 2009 movie course material which is more >> up-to-date than the 2008 material. >> >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/tutorials/movies09/moviemaking.html >> >> Both 2008 and 2009 materials primarily use command scripts and that >> is the recommended approach. >> >> Tom >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am fairly new to using chimera and created my first movie using >>> command line syntax. I am mostly pleased with the results, except >>> for two things: >>> (1) I used the 'movie record' option and all my commands show during >>> the movie. >>> (2) the right hand side of the image looks like 'snow'. >>> >>> I followed similar instructions to the tutorial for ligand flying >>> into unbound conformation from: >>> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/tutorials/movies08/moviemaking.html >>> >>> Should I be using a script instead? Is there a better way to do this? >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >>> Matt Skeels >>

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Creating movies
by Matthew Skeels 15 May '10

15 May '10

Hello, I am fairly new to using chimera and created my first movie using command line syntax. I am mostly pleased with the results, except for two things: (1) I used the 'movie record' option and all my commands show during the movie. (2) the right hand side of the image looks like 'snow'. I followed similar instructions to the tutorial for ligand flying into unbound conformation from: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/tutorials/movies08/moviemaking.html Should I be using a script instead? Is there a better way to do this? Thanks for any help. Matt Skeels

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Energy Minimization
by Eric Pettersen 13 May '10

13 May '10

Dear All, Using Minimize command, I can minimize the the energy of the protein. But is there a way by which I can check the energy the protein before I perform the minimization and after minimization or least after minimization. Thanks and Regards Monisha (originally sent to chimera-bugs)

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Solvate RNA-protein Complex
by Andrew Tran 12 May '10

12 May '10

Hi Chimera support, I am trying to analyze a protein-RNA complex and would like to neutralize the phosphate backbone with ions and solvate the complex. When I try to do this using Chimera (through AMBERtools?), the complex dissociates. Is there a way to add ions and solvate without dissociation of the complex? Andrew Tran Brown University Biochemistry and Molecular Biology

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error
by zxd 11 May '10

11 May '10

Hi, I'm helping Chinese Academy of Sciences test 3D Stereo display with your Chimera-1.4.1. We are using the Samsung Syncmaster 2233 monitor, Nvidia 3D Vision kit (transmitter plus glasses). I'm able to open the software. When I select, tools->camera->sequential stereo, the application will enounter an error and exit. Attached are the snapshots of the error message and details of our computer. Xiaodong Zhao 2010-05-11 zxd

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Chimera failed abnormally
by emirate14 10 May '10

10 May '10

Hi, I've downloaded the chimera-1.4.1-win32.I am succeeded to run it for several times. However, the program had a error named as "Chimera failed abnormally; the exit code was: 1. use the --debug command line option for the full error message." and I can not start it anymore (same as Johan Börjesson, http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/pipermail/chimera-users/2005-November/000578.html) I notice there is a note in debug box "Type=screen distance must be positive", does it cause the problem? I am looking forward to your reply. Thank you very much. Best regards . Qian Wang Zhejiang University, Hangzhou, China

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ksdssp assignments
by Tom Duncan 10 May '10

10 May '10

I noticed that the secondary structure assignments for a specific protein by ksdssp (default parameters) show a few significant differences versus the DSSP assignments shown at the PDB (file = 1aqt). Any idea why? Thanks, Tom

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output data from findclash
by Kim, Sunghoon 10 May '10

10 May '10

I'm trying to see clashes of a specific sidechain with its rotating chi angles using 'findclash' command in python script. At this point, because I 'm just looking for a set of rotamers that doesn't have any contacts or clashes, I just want to see the number of contacts from a set of specific rotameric states, rather than a detailed information. But I don't know how to print 'the number of contacts' together with its corresponding chi angles. Is there any way to write a output file from findclash calculation? Or can I modify reply log as I want ? Thanks, Sunghoon

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Re: [Chimera-users] presets, python and printing
by Greg Couch 10 May '10

10 May '10

On 05/09/2010 07:51 AM, Daniel Gurnon wrote: > Hello everyone, > My colleague and I are planning to incorporate 3D physical models into > the introductory biochemistry course at our university, and I want > students to use Chimera in the design of models. I've seen the > technotes on 3D models made by the uPrint printer > (http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/Outreach/technotes/uprint.html) We'll > hopefully be collaborating with the folks at MSOE on this, using their > Z-corporation printer. They use RasMol to design models, but the file > read by the printer is in .stl format. > > Here are my questions: > 1) Has anyone used Chimera to create models to be printed on a Z-corp > printer? (if yes, I'll have many more questions for you...) If you are using a Z-corp printer, you should look into sending it chimera's VRML output. That is because chimera's STL output works well when you limit it to surfaces and ribbons, but the triangles generated for bonds and atoms (interpenetrating cylinders and spheres) confuse some printer's software. The Z-corp printers come with their ZPrint software that accepts VRML and should do the proper triangulation for their printers (I say "should" because we've never tested it, but from everything I've read, I expect it to work). - Greg

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Volume covered by a group of atoms
by Miguel Ortiz Lombardia 10 May '10

10 May '10

Dear all, I would like to represent as a volume the space that would be covered by a set of atoms that are bound by "torsionable" bonds when one systematically modifies those torsion angles. An example would be the side-chain of an amino acid; imagine I would like to have a glimpse of what part of the space could be occupied by that side-chain. As a first approximation I wouldn't care about clashes. I would appreciate if someone can point me to an existing way of obtaining such representation or to an algorithm that could be implemented within chimera (which I would be happy to share with other interested people; if I manage to code it, that's it!) Cheers, -- Miguel Architecture et Fonction des Macromolécules Biologiques (UMR6098) CNRS, Universités d'Aix-Marseille I & II Case 932, 163 Avenue de Luminy, 13288 Marseille cedex 9, France Tel: +33(0) 491 82 55 93 Fax: +33(0) 491 26 67 20 e-mail: miguel.ortiz-lombardia(a)afmb.univ-mrs.fr Web: http://www.pangea.org/mol/spip.php?rubrique2

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Ensemble Cluster via command line
by Jan H. Löhr 10 May '10

10 May '10

Dear Chimera users, I have been using the Ensemble Cluster tool to cluster a set of PDB-files. Now I would like to do this via command line or python script without GUI in order to run it multiple times. However, it seems the Ensemble Cluster tool cannot be used via command line. The only thing I have been able to is to load it up with 'start Ensemble Cluster'. Is there a way to access the tool via command line? Or is there a way to record my mouse actions and translate them to commandline-style? Here are the steps I am trying to do: Load PDB-file (multiple models in it) Start Ensemble Cluster Parts to Match: :xxx-yyy (optional) OK Write List of modelnames/cluster End This can be done by mouse, but apparently not by commandline, can it? Thank You Jan Univ. Hamburg, Germany

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presets, python and printing
by Daniel Gurnon 10 May '10

10 May '10

Hello everyone, My colleague and I are planning to incorporate 3D physical models into the introductory biochemistry course at our university, and I want students to use Chimera in the design of models. I've seen the technotes on 3D models made by the uPrint printer ( http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/Outreach/technotes/uprint.html) We'll hopefully be collaborating with the folks at MSOE on this, using their Z-corporation printer. They use RasMol to design models, but the file read by the printer is in .stl format. Here are my questions: 1) Has anyone used Chimera to create models to be printed on a Z-corp printer? (if yes, I'll have many more questions for you...) 2) Is it possible to define a user preset in Chimera with Python? I know this isn't currently possible with chimera commands, and I am *just* getting into Python now. Because students have difficulty jumping in to a project like this if they first have to learn to enter commands at a prompt, I want to make some presets that apply settings compatible with a 3D model; bond thickness, colors, etc. 3)If one knew Python, would it be possible to design a simplified user interface for Chimera? Even as simple as a pop-up window that contained the key features I want students to have access to right away? 4) Probably the biggest drawback to using Chimera with undergrads is the lack of an "Undo" button. I'm guessing this is extremely difficult to implement because of all 3rd party extensions incorporated into Chimera? What about an option to autosave every five or ten minutes? Thanks Dan -- ____________________________ Daniel Gurnon, Ph. D. Assistant Professor of Chemistry DePauw University Greencastle, IN 46135 p: 765-658-6279 e: danielgurnon(a)depauw.edu

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Fwd: presets, python and printing
by Yang, Zheng (YZ) 10 May '10

10 May '10

Begin forwarded message: > From: "Yang, Zheng (YZ)" <yz(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> > Date: May 10, 2010 12:55:03 AM PDT > To: Daniel Gurnon <danielgurnon(a)depauw.edu> > Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] presets, python and printing > > Dear Dan, > > I am using Chimera output STL files, then print out with a uPrintPlus 3D printer. It's pretty handy using the "Export Scene" function to convert models into STL files. Although each single part cannot have mixed color, the printer is capable of printing 8 color APS by changing the cartridge. I have tried various protein representations: surface, ribbons showing the secondary structures, etc. All of them work prefect. > > By going over the Getting Started tutorial (http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/Outreach/Tutorials/GettingStarted.html) users can easily get familiar with Chimera. Your students can use either GUI or command line mode. Alternatively, you can prepare them a Chimera commands file (plain text scripts file), containing your preset, bond thickness. (http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/current/docs/UsersGuide/indexcommand.html#c…) They just need to open and load it. > > Chimera has the Undo Move function, allowing backtracking through the most recent model positions. (http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/undomove/undomove.…) Section saving may solve part of the "Undo" problem. > > Looking forward to collaborating with you on the 3D model printing. > > Best, > YZ > > > > > > > > On May 9, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Daniel Gurnon wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> My colleague and I are planning to incorporate 3D physical models into the introductory biochemistry course at our university, and I want students to use Chimera in the design of models. I've seen the technotes on 3D models made by the uPrint printer (http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/Outreach/technotes/uprint.html) We'll hopefully be collaborating with the folks at MSOE on this, using their Z-corporation printer. They use RasMol to design models, but the file read by the printer is in .stl format. >> >> Here are my questions: >> 1) Has anyone used Chimera to create models to be printed on a Z-corp printer? (if yes, I'll have many more questions for you...) >> >> 2) Is it possible to define a user preset in Chimera with Python? I know this isn't currently possible with chimera commands, and I am *just* getting into Python now. Because students have difficulty jumping in to a project like this if they first have to learn to enter commands at a prompt, I want to make some presets that apply settings compatible with a 3D model; bond thickness, colors, etc. >> >> 3)If one knew Python, would it be possible to design a simplified user interface for Chimera? Even as simple as a pop-up window that contained the key features I want students to have access to right away? >> >> 4) Probably the biggest drawback to using Chimera with undergrads is the lack of an "Undo" button. I'm guessing this is extremely difficult to implement because of all 3rd party extensions incorporated into Chimera? What about an option to autosave every five or ten minutes? >> >> Thanks >> Dan >> >> -- >> ____________________________ >> >> Daniel Gurnon, Ph. D. >> Assistant Professor of Chemistry >> DePauw University >> Greencastle, IN 46135 >> >> p: 765-658-6279 >> e: danielgurnon(a)depauw.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> Chimera-users mailing list >> Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users >

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superimposed 3D structure
by deeba noreen 08 May '10

08 May '10

I am trying to make superimpose two similar proteins. To evalute its structural differences regarding functional aspects, I want to derive a superimposed model. I am using Chimera format... Can you please tell me in terms of commands so i can apply.

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ligand comformation clustering
by Maurice Ho 06 May '10

06 May '10

Hi there, How to cluster the different conformations of a ligand after a docking experiment according to their relative orientations in the binding pocket? Any software can help to do so? I've tried the Ensemble Cluster function in Chimera but it seems clustering the different conformations according to the relative positions of the atoms of the ligand itself. I know that the command rmsd #0.1:UNK #0.2:UNK (UNK is the ligand) could be a way to illustrate how distant in average between different conformations. How could I make use of this command in script so that I could have all the possible comparisons and cluster them in a sensible way? Best regards, Maurice Ho

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Re: [Chimera-users] Sequential stereo
by Greg Couch 05 May '10

05 May '10

(Forgot to cc the list.) Chimera already works with NVidia's 3D Vision, in Windows XP/Vista/7 and Linux, as long as you have a 3D Vision supported Quadro FX card, see <http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro_pro_graphics_boards.html> for details. Since chimera does stereo within a window, the GeForce cards are not supported. FYI, the latest NVidia drivers, version 197.59, have a bug that affects chimera stereo, so you'll need to use an earlier version of the driver (or presumably a latter version which has the bug fixed). When working with chimera in stereo, you really want a display that shows full resolution left and right eye images, and that generally means that the display refreshes at 120 Hz for 60Hz per-eye (100Hz would work too). If they don't support 120Hz, then the left and right eye images are interlaced when transmitted to the display and adjacent pixels can end up being shown in opposite eyes. And that makes 2D text, like the text in labels or dialogs, very fuzzy until you take the glasses off, but that makes the 3D fuzzy. That is annoying, but if the display is cheap enough, you might be able to live with it :-). For large groups of people, the cost of the active glasses becomes significant (and maintaining the batteries is a chore). So for a large display, I'd recommend considering a technology with passive glasses, like the RealD LP, <http://www.reald.com/Content/proProducts.aspx?pageID=122>, and the DepthQ Polarization Modulator, <http://www.depthq.com/modulator.html>. They are setups for a projector that polarizes the light onto a silver screen (that reflects polarized light coherently) and you use cheap polarized glasses to view the content (same glasses as a movie theater with RealD 3D). And if you use this technology, then you have the option of using a NVidia Quadro FX graphics card or an ATI FirePro graphics card (only the V8700, V8800, and V8750 have stereo DIN connectors). Hope this helps, Greg On 05/05/2010 08:47 AM, Daniel Hitchcock wrote: > Howdy, > > My advisor was interested in setting up a large display (52" screen) > with a computer controlling it for viewing and presentation of > structures in chimera. I have been commissioned to purchase the > hardware, and naturally I want to take it a step further. > > With new "3D Ready" LG and Samsung displays (as opposed to regular > >120Hz displays) they supposedly have an extra chip to properly sync > with an incoming 3D signal from a device, be it a bluray player or > whatever. Nvidia has begun to work on their system and promises a > software update to their 3Dvision line which would allow for the > native signal to be sent to the screen as opposed to just sending a > sequential 2D signal. My questions (if that all made sense), > > 1. Is there or will there be support for nvidia's 3d Vision line? We > will be running windows 7 and the program itself will be run in > windowed mode probably, not always full screen. > > 2. If that does not work, what would be the best recommendation for > some sort of stereoview (prefereably sequential) on a large LCD or > plasma display? > > > Thanks for the help! > -Daniel Hitchcock

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Sequential stereo
by Daniel Hitchcock 05 May '10

05 May '10

Howdy, My advisor was interested in setting up a large display (52" screen) with a computer controlling it for viewing and presentation of structures in chimera. I have been commissioned to purchase the hardware, and naturally I want to take it a step further. With new "3D Ready" LG and Samsung displays (as opposed to regular >120Hz displays) they supposedly have an extra chip to properly sync with an incoming 3D signal from a device, be it a bluray player or whatever. Nvidia has begun to work on their system and promises a software update to their 3Dvision line which would allow for the native signal to be sent to the screen as opposed to just sending a sequential 2D signal. My questions (if that all made sense), 1. Is there or will there be support for nvidia's 3d Vision line? We will be running windows 7 and the program itself will be run in windowed mode probably, not always full screen. 2. If that does not work, what would be the best recommendation for some sort of stereoview (prefereably sequential) on a large LCD or plasma display? Thanks for the help! -Daniel Hitchcock

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Adjust torsion and bump checking
by Kim, Sunghoon 04 May '10

04 May '10

Hi all, I would like to do the bump checking for the various rotameric states of a specific side chain generated by the rotation about dihedral angles. Bumps were detected by chimera command 'rotation' and 'findclash' and at first the script seemed working OK, but I'm not sure if the chi angles were correctly defined. When we look at the 'clashes/contacts' panel in Chimera, there are atom options for "Near" and "Far" positions in the rotating bonds. How can I specifying the 'Near' and 'Far' atoms in my 'rotation' command line in my python script to define my chi angles ? Thanks in advance for any info that you can provide. Thanks, Sunghoon Kim

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place fragment (again)
by Elisabeth Ortega 04 May '10

04 May '10

Dear all, We are trying to place a fragment in an exact position. We created a fragment with tetrahedral symmetry and we are trying to link an atom of other molecule at 2.00 A of the central atom of the new fragment and making a certain angle (120 degrees for example) with one of the substituents to get the correct orientation of the new fragment. Has anybody an idea that how can we do that? Thanks.

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about centroid
by Francesco Pietra 03 May '10

03 May '10

On running movie with centroid - as I was instructed by Eric; sorry I lost the email - I noticed that on long runs a shift is introduced between the protein and the centroid thread. To restore the relative positions between protein and centroid thread, I had to bring back (through the movie) the centroid to its initial position. francesco pietra

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rmsd between two ligands
by Miriam Gochin 01 May '10

01 May '10

Is there a way in chimera to obtain an RMSD between two structures without matching them, ie. just to know the difference between them? Miriam Gochin Touro University - CA miriam.gochin(a)tu.edu 707-638-5463

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Volume Subtractions
by Murali Ayaluru 30 Apr '10

30 Apr '10

Dear Chimera users/developers, I have two EM density maps (in mrc format) of a complex with different conformations. I want to subtract one density from another. I am wondering if it is possible in Chimera to subtract the densities? Cheers, Murali

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(no subject)
by Hanzhong Liu 28 Apr '10

28 Apr '10

Dear Chimera Developer: I tried to use Chimera to display MD movie. I tried both CHARMM trajectory and single pdb. They all works. When I put "ksdssp" in the per-frame script, it gave me a warning "name ksdssp is not defined". I used the latest version and the OS is windows 7. But when I ran chimera under windows xp, there is no such problem. I'm wondering if there is a bug of chimera. Thanks!-

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DCD format error 1
by Lilian OLIVIERI 28 Apr '10

28 Apr '10

Hello, I'm having trouble using MD/Ensemble analysis tool. When I try to check a MD trajectory generated by CHARMM (version C33b1), I get a "DCD format error 1" message. Here is the Reply Log: MDTools 1.2 Exp (2005-08-20) by James Phillips. Trajectory.DCD.MDToolsMarch97.md.help() for more info. - HomoCoord 1.3 Exp (2005-08-20) - Constants 1.1 Exp (2004-05-17) - AtomGroup 1.4 Exp (2007-02-07) - local 1.1 Exp (2004-05-17) Unknown OSTYPE ??? set. Viewing and plotting are disabled. - Trans 1.2 Exp (2005-08-20) - DCD 1.10 Exp (2007-02-07) - Data 1.2 Exp (2005-08-20) * THIS FILE IS LANGEVINEEF1.INP. * USAGE, CHARMM <LANGEVINEEF1.INP >LANGEVINEEF1.OUT. * RUNS LANGEVIN DYNAMICS WITH EEF1 IMPLICIT WATER. * DATE: 3/22/10 10:32:48 CREATED BY USER: lolivier /labos/lbgm/lolivier/chimera/share/Trajectory/DCD/MDToolsMarch97/md_DCD.py:121: DeprecationWarning: raising a string exception is deprecated raise "DCD format error 1" Traceback (most recent call last): File "CHIMERA/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Pmw/Pmw_1_3/lib/PmwBase.py", line 1747, in __call__ File "CHIMERA/share/chimera/baseDialog.py", line 328, in command File "CHIMERA/share/chimera/baseDialog.py", line 543, in OK File "CHIMERA/share/Trajectory/EnsembleLoader.py", line 92, in Apply File "CHIMERA/share/Trajectory/DCD/__init__.py", line 61, in loadEnsemble File "CHIMERA/share/Trajectory/DCD/__init__.py", line 71, in loadEnsemble File "CHIMERA/share/Trajectory/DCD/DCD.py", line 35, in __init__ File "CHIMERA/share/Trajectory/DCD/MDToolsMarch97/md_DCD.py", line 121, in __init__ DCD format error 1 DCD format error 1 File "CHIMERA/share/Trajectory/DCD/MDToolsMarch97/md_DCD.py", line 121, in __init__ See reply log for Python traceback. Is there a quick way to fix this problem? Thanks for any reply. -- Lilian Olivieri PhD student INSERM UMR-S 665, DSIMB/LBGM, Faculte des Sciences et Technologies Universite de La Reunion 15 Avenue René Cassin, BP 7151 97715 Saint Denis Messag Cedex 09 La Réunion, France Tel: +33 262 938 227 (office) Fax: +33 262 938 237 http://lbgm.univ-reunion.fr/ http://www.dsimb.inserm.fr/ **************************************************************************** It has long been an axiom of mine that the little things are infinitely the most important. -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, "A Case of Identity" ****************************************************************************

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volume threshold
by Alex Perálvarez Marín 27 Apr '10

27 Apr '10

Hi, there is any command to change the threshold of a density map? I have 100 maps open at the same time, and I want to change the threshold of all of them at the same time. Thanks in advance, best Alex.

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something flakey with measure buriedArea?
by Scott Classen 27 Apr '10

27 Apr '10

I'm seeing some very odd results coming from the measure buriedArea command if I use different values for probeRaduis and then grep for WARNINGs I get the following results: probeRadius # of WARNINGs 1.50 = 12 1.40 = 4 1.39 = 14 1.35 = 59 1.30 = 3 1.20 = 0 Here are some examples of the types of warnings I'm seeing: WARNING: check_SES_edge: weird case, 1 probe full2 and not full1 WARNING: class_arete2: warning hole in a reentrant face 1735 WARNING: check_SES_edge: weird case, 1 probe full2 and not full1 WARNING: check_SES_edge: weird case, 1 probe full2 and not full1 WARNING: class_arete2: warning hole in a reentrant face 2557 WARNING: check_SES_edge: weird case, 1 probe full2 and not full1 WARNING: class_arete2: warning hole in a reentrant face 1836 WARNING: check_SES_edge: weird case, 1 probe full2 and not full1 WARNING: check_SES_edge: weird case, 1 probe full2 and not full1 WARNING: class_arete2: warning hole in a reentrant face 2090 WARNING: class_arete2: warning hole in a reentrant face 1925 WARNING: compute_SES_area: ERROR: Solide angle (-1.972093) for contact face 3142 too large or too small Should I be concerned? Another unusual thing is that for certain calculations I get some crazy answers. For example the following command measure buriedArea '#0:.A,.B & #0:10.Dz<8' #0:10.D probeRadius 1.4 vertexDensity 2 outputs: B1SES = -583.491, B2SES = 51.4762, BaveSES = -266.007 but the same command with the probeRadius changed to 1.37 measure buriedArea '#0:.A,.B & #0:10.Dz<8' #0:10.D probeRadius 1.37 vertexDensity 2 outputs: B1SES = 53.9334, B2SES = 51.7969, BaveSES = 52.8652 Why would B1SES be so radically different for these two measurements? Thanks, Scott ps When doing these calculations Chimera randomly crashes with the following mscalc crash report: Process: mscalc [25532] Path: /Applications/Chimera-1.5b.app/Contents/Resources/bin/mscalc Identifier: mscalc Version: ??? (???) Code Type: X86-64 (Native) Parent Process: python2.6 [25482] Date/Time: 2010-04-27 17:23:08.864 -0700 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.3 (10D573) Report Version: 6 Interval Since Last Report: 402 sec Crashes Since Last Report: 1 Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 1 Anonymous UUID: D0B1026B-AD5E-454C-8E35-49CCF7598339 Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT) Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000 Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread Application Specific Information: abort() called Thread 0 Crashed: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff83cc7886 __kill + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff83d67eae abort + 83 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x00007fff83c7fa75 free + 128 3 mscalc 0x00000001000218e5 MS_delete_SES_face + 920 4 mscalc 0x00000001000361f4 MS_update_ses + 919 5 mscalc 0x0000000100034f68 MS_restart_from_ses + 613 6 mscalc 0x0000000100036963 MS_update_ses + 2822 7 mscalc 0x0000000100037d94 MS_restart_from_triangulation + 591 8 mscalc 0x0000000100046c66 MS_triangulate_SES_component + 925 9 mscalc 0x00000001000066f6 MS_compute_surface + 443 10 mscalc 0x0000000100000ea2 main + 382 11 mscalc 0x0000000100000d1c start + 52 Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit): rax: 0x0000000000000000 rbx: 0x0000000000000001 rcx: 0x00007fff5fbfd998 rdx: 0x0000000000000000 rdi: 0x00000000000063bc rsi: 0x0000000000000006 rbp: 0x00007fff5fbfd9b0 rsp: 0x00007fff5fbfd998 r8: 0x0000000000000e03 r9: 0x0000000000000000 r10: 0x00007fff83cc38ca r11: 0x0000000000000206 r12: 0x00000001001e4000 r13: 0x0000000100200000 r14: 0x0000000000000000 r15: 0x00000001004f7c70 rip: 0x00007fff83cc7886 rfl: 0x0000000000000206 cr2: 0x000000010022a000 Binary Images: 0x100000000 - 0x10004eff7 +mscalc ??? (???) <AF86E566-5546-A8C8-DE97-4A16408CB1BC> /Applications/Chimera-1.5b.app/Contents/Resources/bin/mscalc 0x7fff5fc00000 - 0x7fff5fc3bdef dyld 132.1 (???) <B633F790-4DDB-53CD-7ACF-2A3682BCEA9F> /usr/lib/dyld 0x7fff83c78000 - 0x7fff83e37ff7 libSystem.B.dylib 125.0.1 (compatibility 1.0.0) <CB9A4929-61AF-DE71-5635-133E9EC95783> /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib 0x7fff885a7000 - 0x7fff885abff7 libmathCommon.A.dylib 315.0.0 (compatibility 1.0.0) <95718673-FEEE-B6ED-B127-BCDBDB60D4E5> /usr/lib/system/libmathCommon.A.dylib 0x7fffffe00000 - 0x7fffffe01fff libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???) <CB9A4929-61AF-DE71-5635-133E9EC95783> /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib Model: MacPro1,1, BootROM MP11.005C.B08, 4 processors, Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 2.66 GHz, 14 GB, SMC 1.7f10 Graphics: ATI Radeon X1900 XT, ATY,RadeonX1900, PCIe, 512 MB Memory Module: global_name AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x14E4, 0x87), Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.10.91.27) Bluetooth: Version 2.3.1f4, 2 service, 19 devices, 1 incoming serial ports Network Service: Built-in Ethernet 2, Ethernet, en1 PCI Card: ATY,RadeonX1900, Display, Slot-1 Serial ATA Device: ST3250824AS P, 232.89 GB Serial ATA Device: WDC WD2500JD-00HBC0, 232.89 GB Serial ATA Device: WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6B0, 931.51 GB Serial ATA Device: WDC WD1002FBYS-01A6B0, 931.51 GB Parallel ATA Device: SONY DVD RW DW-D150A USB Device: Hub, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x9131, 0xfd400000 USB Device: iPhone, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x1292, 0xfd430000 USB Device: Keyboard Hub, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x1005, 0xfd410000 USB Device: Apple Keyboard, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x021d, 0xfd412000 USB Device: Apple Cinema HD Display, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x9223, 0xfd420000 USB Device: Hub, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x9122, 0xfd300000 USB Device: Apple Cinema HD Display, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x921e, 0xfd320000 USB Device: USB Receiver, 0x046d (Logitech Inc.), 0xc525, 0x1d200000 USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x8206, 0x5d200000 USB Device: Back-UPS CS 500 FW:806.q5.D USB FW:q5, 0x051d (American Power Conversion), 0x0002, 0x5d100000 FireWire Device: built-in_hub, Up to 800 Mb/sec FireWire Device: unknown_device, Unknown

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help with simple python script
by Scott Classen 27 Apr '10

27 Apr '10

Hi all, I have a number of PDB files that I would like to open, run a buriedArea calculation, save the results to a file, and exit I can put a bunch of commands in a file and launch it from a terminal shell chimera --nogui --nostatus --script calculate_buriedArea.com > results.txt the calculate_buriedArea.com file looks like this: open my.pdb measure buriedArea #0:.A #0:B This works, but is a bit cumbersome. I would like to make a python script so I can call my calculation with the name of the PDB file on the command line like this: chimera --nogui --nostatus --script calculate_buriedArea.py -- my.pdb .... so can someone please get me started here? import chimera myfile = chemera.somefunctiontoopenaPDBfile($1) Thanks, Scott

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ChemGroups
by Mauro Truglio 27 Apr '10

27 Apr '10

Hi, I got to understand the syntax to edit and even create "new" chemical groups for chimera to select (I successfully edited the file __init__.py in ChemGroups). Now I'm facing this problem with aromatic amines: when selecting, for example, primary aromatic amine, *I'd like to include also che C atom in the selection* - not only N,H,H. With other chemical groups this was easy, thanks to the [1,1,1,0,1]-like notation. But these aromatic amines are described in a different way, through the function findAroAmines in miscFind.py, and I'm finding it difficult to edit it. Can you help me? Thanks Mauro Truglio

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Daily Builds
by Jon N. Rumbley 27 Apr '10

27 Apr '10

Why is it that the Windows Daily Builds continue to say March 20, 2010 while the other operating system show the current date? Is the Windows version being built daily? Thank you, Jon Rumbley Dr. Jon N. Rumbley Assistant Professor Dept. of Pharmacy Practice and Pharmaceutical Sciences University of Minnesota-Duluth 127 Life Sciences 1110 Kirby Dr. Duluth, MN 55812 Phone: 218-726-6047 email: jrumbley(a)d.umn.edu

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