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Chimera installation and working issue
by MUNMUN BHASIN 18 Mar '20

18 Mar '20

Dear Sir/Madam, I have been using Chimera for quite long time but recently since the new mcOS update to Catalina, there is problem in its installation. For installing the same a message pops up "Chimera can’t be opened because Apple cannot check it for malicious software". After allowing the installation of the same, this same problem arises after the system restart. It starts off with the verification again and the same steps have to be repeated all over again. Please suggest a fix for the aforementioned problem so that the issue of allowing chimera's installation all the time is resolved. Thank you -- Munmun Bhasin Prof. Raghavan Varadarajan's Lab Molecular Biophysics Unit Indian Institute of Science Bangalore- 560012 Karnataka, India

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Re: [Chimera-users] Frame rate drop with viewing panel open
by Tom Goddard 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

Hi Dan, If you see reduced rendering speed even after Side View is closed that sounds like a bug. I do not observe that in Chimera 1.14 on macOS Catalina. If you like you can use Help / Report a Bug.... If I understand your description (100 x 300-residue proteins) you have 100 models opened. It is quite possible rendering will not utilize the GPU or CPU fully in that situation with so many models opened because of the design of the Chimera graphics code. For each model it is issuing tens to hundreds of separate OpenGL graphics calls and using several different buffers to hold the data for each model. The overhead of thousands of graphics calls on small data could easily fail to saturate the CPU or GPU. What can happen is the graphics driver gets a heavy CPU load just marshalling all those calls and sending them to the graphics card, and that heavy CPU use many not be assigned to the Chimera application, instead it is operating system kernel time. So your situation of 100 models may be CPU bound but you are not seeing the CPU load because it is the operating system graphics driver. When you open the Side View the number of graphics calls doubles. But when you close it it should return to half the calls and render at the same speed as before you started side view. The Nvidia GTX 780 is from 2013 and the graphics driver support for such old cards may not be too good. Tom > On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Daniel P Farrell <danpf(a)uw.edu> wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > Thanks for your response. > > I have a modest GPU, GTX780. ( i will attach the requested information below) > However, this should be more than enough to handle the workloads I am running with. > > some points I should mention: > 1. For me - the biggest problem is the reduction in FPS persists even after closing the side-view panel, and doesn't go away until a new session is started. This appears to happen on both a desktop, and a lesser, (linux) integrated-graphics laptop. > 2. When monitoring the GPU usage, I see that even though view panel is away, gpu utilization still comes to a rest a 0%, and the framerate is still significantly decreased. > 3. The only way to get my GPU usage above 50% given an intense scenario (large density map, 100x300-residue proteins) is if I turn on the publication 1 preset (easily maxes at 100% usage). > 4. With the default viewing setting, I max out at ~30% usage if I run "turn x -100 1000" and randomly rotate the screen with my cursor. > 5. With the default viewing setting and the side-view open, I max out at ~50% usage if I run "turn x -100 1000" and randomly rotate the screen with my cursor. however, the frame display is significantly more choppy > > I think something definitely funky is going on with the side view panel.... > > > OpenGL Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation > OpenGL Renderer: GeForce GTX 780/PCIe/SSE2 > OpenGL Version: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 430.26 > /etc/debian_version: > buster/sid > /etc/os-release: > NAME="Ubuntu" > VERSION="18.10 (Cosmic Cuttlefish)" > ID=ubuntu > ID_LIKE=debian > PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 18.10" > VERSION_ID="18.10" > HOME_URL="https://www.ubuntu.com/ <https://www.ubuntu.com/>" > SUPPORT_URL="https://help.ubuntu.com/ <https://help.ubuntu.com/>" > BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/>" > PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/privacy-policy <https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/privacy-policy>" > VERSION_CODENAME=cosmic > UBUNTU_CODENAME=cosmic > /etc/lsb-release: > DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu > DISTRIB_RELEASE=18.10 > DISTRIB_CODENAME=cosmic > DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 18.10" > /proc/cpuinfo: > cpu: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (x86_64) > cpu MHz: 3595.237 > cache: 8192 KB > /proc/meminfo: > MemTotal: 24632820 kB > Graphics: > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK110 [GeForce GTX 780] [10de:1004] (rev a1) > Subsystem: eVga.com. Corp. GK110B [GeForce GTX 780 SC w/ ACX Cooler] [3842:0784] > Kernel driver in use: nvidia > > ―――――――――――――――――――― > Multisampling: False > Shadows: False > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:40 PM Tom Goddard <goddard(a)sonic.net <mailto:goddard@sonic.net>> wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > Rendering the Side View takes about the same amount of GPU processing as rendering the main window, so when you show the Side View you are using twice as much GPU and it will slow down if you have enough models open so your GPU can only render 60 times a second then adding the Side View will drop it to 30 frames per second. But the 60 frames per second you see is because Chimera targets 60 since that what typical desktop displays refresh at. Maybe you have large molecules or slow graphics, or don't have a good graphics driver installed. On a 2019 MacBook Pro with Radeon Vega 20 graphics and Chimera 1.14 the 60000 atom PDB 1aon with initial ribbon display rotates at 60 frames per second but if I show Side View rotation drops to about 40 frames per second. With a nice graphics card like an Nvidia RTX 2070 I expect it would easily maintain 60 frames per second with hundreds of thousands of atoms. > > To see what graphics driver Chimera is using use Help / Report a Bug. > > Tom > > > > On Mar 16, 2020, at 7:40 PM, Daniel P Farrell <danpf(a)uw.edu <mailto:danpf@uw.edu>> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I've been using chimera for a long time now, and I always thought there was some sort of memory leak because it was so slow after 30+ minutes of usage. > > > > Today I started a new session and somehow discovered it wasn't a memory leak, but the viewing panel! > > > > This is on Ubuntu 18.10 > > > > I'm 'guessing' it's the side view sapping some computational power? but my CPUs aren't maxed out, and my GPU is also showing low usage so it must be some strange bug. > > > > Here i load the benchmark window and set it to continuously measure frame rate: > > >>> happily twirling large structure + lots of molecules > > Frame rate: 61.6 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 59.9 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 59.9 > > Frame rate: 60.0 > > Frame rate: 59.8 > > >>> open viewing panel by clicking 'side view' icon on sidebar + continue twirling > > Frame rate: 29.6 > > Frame rate: 27.1 > > Frame rate: 11.8 > > Frame rate: 19.4 > > Frame rate: 19.7 > > Frame rate: 19.7 > > Frame rate: 24.0 > > Frame rate: 30.0 > > > > Even though I know ChimeraX is the main focus now, I would love this to get fixed! > > > > ~Dan > > _______________________________________________ > > Chimera-users mailing list: Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu <mailto:Chimera-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> > > Manage subscription: http://plato.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users <http://plato.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users> >

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Frame rate drop with viewing panel open
by Daniel P Farrell 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

Hello, I've been using chimera for a long time now, and I always thought there was some sort of memory leak because it was so slow after 30+ minutes of usage. Today I started a new session and somehow discovered it wasn't a memory leak, but the viewing panel! This is on Ubuntu 18.10 I'm 'guessing' it's the side view sapping some computational power? but my CPUs aren't maxed out, and my GPU is also showing low usage so it must be some strange bug. Here i load the benchmark window and set it to continuously measure frame rate: >>> happily twirling large structure + lots of molecules Frame rate: 61.6 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 59.9 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 59.9 Frame rate: 60.0 Frame rate: 59.8 >>> open viewing panel by clicking 'side view' icon on sidebar + continue twirling Frame rate: 29.6 Frame rate: 27.1 Frame rate: 11.8 Frame rate: 19.4 Frame rate: 19.7 Frame rate: 19.7 Frame rate: 24.0 Frame rate: 30.0 Even though I know ChimeraX is the main focus now, I would love this to get fixed! ~Dan

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Changing cryo-em density map x=voxel size in Chimera
by Ouadou, Anes (MU-Student) 16 Mar '20

16 Mar '20

Hello, I am using cryo-em density maps to create a deep learning model that detects C-alpha atoms. the model I trained uses maps with voxel size of 1x1x1 A. Experimental maps come in different voxel sizes. I found that I can change the voxel size using the option "model-spec". However, I looked everywhere in Chimera menu bar but could not find "model-spec". can you please show me where to find it. I am also open to any other suggestion to change voxel size. Regards Anes Ouadou CS PhD Student University of Missouri-Columbia aomqc(a)mail.missouri.edu Mobile: (573 )-289-9073

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question about specific protein display
by Galotto, Giulia 13 Mar '20

13 Mar '20

Hi, I am using Chimera to display a protein domain in my paper. The domain has two mutations in the hydrophobic core: I would like to display the protein domain open in two parts, to show the buried residues exposed. Could you guide me on how to do this? Thank you so much for your help! Best, Giulia Galotto PhD Student Vidali Lab Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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Re: [Chimera-users] Getting the analysis of the side chains that are not in the density map
by Dmitry A. Semchonok 13 Mar '20

13 Mar '20

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Getting the analysis of the side chains that are not in the density map
by Dmitry Semchonok 13 Mar '20

13 Mar '20

Dear colleagues, I have a map with the fitted model inside. Some of the side chains are out for the density map. I want to have a get a file where the side chains that are not in the density map are listed. Does anyone know how to do that? Thank you! Sincerely, Dmitry

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Help please
by Dr Musa Said 11 Mar '20

11 Mar '20

Dear there I am training myself in Chrimera software. The first example shows the ligand is on one side and 1HOM is on another side. Where did I g wrong, please. Please see the attachment. Regards Musa

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Re: [Chimera-users] how to create a sphere in Chimera
by Elaine Meng 11 Mar '20

11 Mar '20

Hi Sc Ke, Chimera doesn't do that projection calculation; you would have to do it yourself. I think you could select all the nitrogens within the sphere and then write out their coordinates, but any other steps after that would require your own processing. You don't even need the sphere (it may just be for display purposes) since you already have an atom at the center of it to define the radius for finding nitrogens. I think you could select the nitrogens, for example, by just selecting the center atom (Ctrl-click on it, you may need to hide the sphere first if it's covering the atom), and then using a command something like: select N & sel za<8.5 ... where instead of 8.5 you would put the radius of the sphere. It means select element N and also within 8.5 angstroms of current selection, which is the center atom you selected first. You can hide the sphere by un-checking its S (Shown) checkbox in the Model Panel (show by choosing Model Panel from the Favorites menu). Then you could get the coordinates of the selected nitrogens, for example with command getcrd sel ... and then look in the Reply Log for the list of coordinates (show by choosing Reply Log from the Favorites menu). I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. UCSF Chimera(X) team Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco > On Mar 10, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Ke Shyue-Chu <ke(a)gms.ndhu.edu.tw> wrote: > > Hi, Elaine, > Thank you for the detailed instruction. I got the sphere. > > May I ask one more question: > How do I define an equator plane of that sphere and project all nitrogen atoms within that sphere onto the equator plane; i.e. the polar coordinates of the nitrogen atoms within a sphere are what I would like to have? > Thank you very much. > sc > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elaine Meng [mailto:meng@cgl.ucsf.edu] > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 12:46 AM > To: Ke Shyue-Chu <ke(a)gms.ndhu.edu.tw> > Cc: chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] how to create a sphere in Chimera > > Hi Sc Ke, > There is more than one way. Say you have already selected the single atom. Then, > > (A) to put a marker (essentially a fake atom) at that position, command “measure center”, for example: > > measure center sel mark true radius 4.0 color pink model #8 transparency 50 #8 > > see manual for command options > <http://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/measure.html#center> > <http://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/transparency.html> > > (B) to put a spherical surface model at that position, command “shape sphere”, for example: > > shape sphere radius 8.5 center sel color orange modelid #8 transparency 60 #8 > > see command options > <http://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/shape.html#sphere> > > I hope this helps, > Elaine > ----- > Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. > UCSF Chimera(X) team > Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry > University of California, San Francisco > >> On Mar 4, 2020, at 2:40 AM, Ke Shyue-Chu <ke(a)gms.ndhu.edu.tw> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I would like to know how to create a sphere of certain radius around a selected atom, for visualization purpose. >> Thank you. >> Sc Ke >> Professor >> Department of Physics >> National Dong Hua University >> Hualien, Taiwan > > > -- > 此電子郵件已由 AVG 檢查病毒。 > http://www.avg.com > >

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Change default pseudobond color?
by Oliver Clarke 10 Mar '20

10 Mar '20

Hi, Is it possible to change the default pseudobond color? The current default is yellow, which is unreadable on a white background (but fine on a black background). Orange is readable on both black and white backgrounds - would it be possible to change the default color for distances to orange? Cheers Oli

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