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Reading a data set from a text file
by Kyaw Zeyar Myint 29 Jun '07

29 Jun '07

Hi, I am Kyaw Myint, a summer intern at NIAMS branch of NIH. I am working under the supervision of Dr. Bernard Heymann from the Lab of Structural Biology research. The project I am working on currently is to improve the 3D reconstruction of viruses' structures from 2D electron micrographs. The programs I am using include Chimera and Bsoft. For the project, I want to read in a data set from a text file and display the 3D surfaces based on that data set. I'd like to use Chimera for that purpose and I'd really appreciate any suggestion or comment on how I should do that. Thank you very much for your help in advance. Looking forward to hearing from you soon, Kyaw

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rotating items in chimera
by William Jeffrey Triffo 29 Jun '07

29 Jun '07

hello, is there a way to return to a rotational position, without using 'savepos' and 'reset'? For instance, if I don't want to reset translation(s) (which using savepos/reset might do), but just want to return to a 'top down' view, or a specific rotation with respect to the viewer's global axes? I realize that with multiple objects in potentially different rotational orientations, this would require which object to use to calculate the rotation. thanks, -Jeff

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Transformation matrices
by Eduardo Sanz-Garcia 29 Jun '07

29 Jun '07

I am getting the rotation matrices (I am not interested in the translation column) using matrixget command. My naive question: Should I use in this way: x' x y' = [3x3 matrix] y z' z or in this other way? z' z y' = [3x3 matrix'] y x' x Thank you very much.

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IMOD mesh/surface colors
by William Jeffrey Triffo 28 Jun '07

28 Jun '07

hi, is there a way to control the color of surfaces generated from IMOD meshes in Chimera? when I select a surface, and pick a new color in the color editor, I notice that the color of the 'IMOD contours' in the Model Panel changes, but that there is no change in the color of the actual rendered surface. thanks, -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Triffo Auer Group, Donner Lab, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Raphael Group, Bioengineering Department, Rice University Medical Scientist Training Program (MSTP), Baylor College of Medicine phone (Berkeley): 510-486-7940 fax (Berkeley): 510-486-6488

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Use of a copyrighted figure for software review note
by Anselm.Horn＠chemie.uni-erlangen.de 27 Jun '07

27 Jun '07

Dear all, sorry, if this is a bit off-topic, but I did not find any e-mail address more suitable on the Chimera website. As I learned from the CCL there is a new Chimera version out. I think this would be a nice opportunity to write a short software review note (approx. 1 column) in the "Nachrichten aus der Chemie", the members journal of the German Chemical Society GDCh, in order to inform a broad public of Chimera. For this I'd like to use the graphic "DNA and Netropsin" from the Chimera Image Gallery, in case there is space enough to have a figure printed as well. The image, however, is marked copyrighted, and thus I'd like to know, whether I may use it for my purpose and what statement/copyright notice should be included in the figure caption. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Anselm

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how to "connect" two proteins
by Damir Perisa 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

hi all, maybe this is a little bit too far over the capabilities of chimera, but i hope somebody can help me or give input. i would like to connect two PDB structures into one chain of aminoacids. one PDB is from one globular domain, the other is from another globular domain including linker. i would like to try to put them together and see how (what possible conformations) they fit together. what orientations are possible and how it would look like (visualisation, making movies, convincing non-scientists, ...). i could edit the PDB files in a text editor, but i would not want to calculate the cordinates by hand first - are there no tools to glue together chains? thanx for any input how to do this with chimera or any other programme, best regards, Damir -- Damir Perisa Master Student Biozentrum, University of Basel Department Biochemistry / Focal Area Infection Biology Klingelbergstrasse 50-70 CH-4056 Basel, Switzerland phone: +41 61 267 1492

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Question on Chimera
by Ki Kim 25 Jun '07

25 Jun '07

Hello, I would like to know what is the best way to draw the surface of the binding site of a protein. I would like to add some water molecules to the protein and treat these water as part of the protein. Thank you for your help. Sincerely, Ki Kim

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Re: [Chimera-users] error running Antechamber
by Eric Pettersen 23 Jun '07

23 Jun '07

On Jun 23, 2007, at 11:12 AM, S Datta wrote: > Thanks a lot Eric. You suggest that I modify the input > files by putting the cobalt with residues of their > own. Do you mean as a separate file or in the > methylcobalamin file that i downloaded from the PDB > database ? Also one of the ligands to the > methylcobalamin is a histidine from the protein. Change it in the same file. Change the residue name and number, being careful to keep the rest of the columns in the same place. Also make sure that the new residue number isn't the same as some other residue. The fact that protein histidines are coordinating the metal shouldn't be an issue. Let me know if you run into problems. --Eric

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error running Antechamber
by S Datta 22 Jun '07

22 Jun '07

Hi I am trying to prep a ligand using chimera for docking. When I try to add charges, one error which is always present is "Atom whose IDATM type has no Sybyl type: #-99.-99:1@CO(type: Co). At the end the reply log asks to check the total charge and spin multiplicity. When I manually change the total charge, after the Atom error briefly appears, Chimera either freezes (windows) or runs the program /../antechamber/exe/mopac.sh (in linux) infinitely. Could someone help me decipher what is going wrong ? I tried to change the input format of the ligand file from .pdb to .sy2 but that didnt help. thanks a lot SD ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&…

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discontinuous ribbon for nuc. structure
by bala 20 Jun '07

20 Jun '07

Hello, While i make the ribbon representation for an RNA duplex, sometimes ribbon is discontinuous in between, what could be the reason for it ? I hve two conformation sof the same duplex taken at 1ns interval from MD trajectory. For one conformation, ribbon is continuous but for the other there is a discontinuity at the middle.. I analysed the structure, it seems ok. thanks in advance, Bala

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Delphi calculation for electrostatic surface potential
by Shunsuke Meshitsuka 18 Jun '07

18 Jun '07

Dear Doctors, I want to calculate surface potential by Delphi type calculation. I have tried from Menu bar, tool --- DelPhi ,but have not obtained the results. Please let me know the way to use them for the calculation of surface potentials from a PDB fie in linux version of chimera-1.2417. Shunsuke Meshitsuka D.Sci., D.Med. Tottori University Graduate School of Medical Science Institute of Regenerative Medicine and Biofunction, Division of Integrative Bioscience 86　Nishimachi Yonago Tottori　683-8503　Japan tel +81-859-38-6422 fax +81-859-38-6423 Email: mesh(a)grape.med.tottori-u.ac.jp

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Help me please with this error
by David Gil Carton 15 Jun '07

15 Jun '07

Hi, I have a HP9400 (AMD Opteronx64bits-Red Hat Linux64bits) with a NVIDIA Quadro FX3500 256MB and I have installed the "chimera-1.2417-linux_x86_64.exe". My problem is that when I run chimera I have this message, %chimera X Error of failed request: GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest Major opcode of failed request: 129 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 16 (X_GLXVendorPrivate) Serial number of failed request: 1313 Current serial number in output stream: 1314 %glxinfo name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation server glx version string: 1.4 server glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, GLX_NV_swap_group client glx vendor string: SGI client glx version string: 1.4 client glx extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory, GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_OML_sync_control, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group GLX extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: Quadro FX 3500/PCI/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 1.2 (2.0.2 NVIDIA 87.62) OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_lod, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_ATI_texture_float, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_INGR_blend_func_separate, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color, GL_NV_depth_clamp, GL_NV_fog_distance, GL_NV_light_max_exponent, GL_NV_multisample_filter_hint, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_env_combine4, GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_SGIX_depth_texture, GL_SGIX_shadow, GL_SUN_multi_draw_arrays, GL_SUN_slice_accum glu version: 1.3 glu extensions: GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess What I have to do to resolve my problem? Thanks, David Gil Electron Microscopy Structural Biology Platform CIC bioGUNE Bizkaia Technology Park, Bld 800 48160 Derio-Bizkaia Tel Platf. +34 946 572 516 Fax +34 946 572 502 http://www.cicbiogune.es Este correo electrónico se ha enviado desde CIC bioGUNE. Su contenido, y el de cualquier fichero que le acompañe, son confidenciales y de uso exclusivo de la persona física o jurídica a la que va destinado. Está estrictamente prohibida, y puede ser ilegal, la copia o difusión no autorizada de este correo, o de sus documentos adjuntos, o revelar cualquier información que pudieran contener. Si ha recibido este correo electrónico por error, por favor notifíquelo al remitente o contacte con el teléfono + 34 944 06 13 00 y bórrelo de su sistema informático. Posta elektroniko bidezko mezu hau CIC bioGUNEtik bidali da. Bertako edukia, eta erantsita egon daitekeen edozein fitxategirena, konfidentziala da, mezuaren hartzaile den pertsona fisikoak edo juridikoak bakarrik erabiltzekoa. 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cavities
by Pablo Emiliano Tomatis 15 Jun '07

15 Jun '07

hello It is possible to find cavities of a protein using chimera? Any hepl??? thanks in advance -- Lic. Pablo E. Tomatis Instituto de Biología Molecular y Celular de Rosario (IBR) Área Biofísica - Departamento de Química Biológica Fac. Cs. Bioq. y Farm. - U.N.Rosario Suipacha 531 - S2002LRK- Rosario- Argentina Phone:+54-341-4350661/4350596 (ext.110) Fax:+54-341-4390465

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to view nmr pdb structures
by Shunsuke Meshitsuka 15 Jun '07

15 Jun '07

Dear researchers, I have used chimera as a viewer of proteins. I have a question how to overlay the 20 structures of NMR pdb data by chimera. When there are 20 structures of structurename01.pdb, structurename02.pdb,,,structurename20.pdb, > chimera structurename**.pdb makes a random location and random orientation of each protein. Please let me know the method. Shunsuke Meshitsuka D.Sci., D.Med. Tottori University Graduate School of Medical Science Institute of Regenerative Medicine and Biofunction, Division of Integrative Bioscience 86　Nishimachi Yonago Tottori　683-8503　Japan tel +81-859-38-6422 fax +81-859-38-6423 Email: mesh(a)grape.med.tottori-u.ac.jp

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release next week
by Elaine Meng 14 Jun '07

14 Jun '07

Dear Chimera users, As you may know, we made a production release earlier this month. Since then, a few bugs have come to our attention that were not revealed by our test suite or by users during the "release candidate" phase. We plan to make another production release late next week with the following fixes: - ensure POV-Ray image view always matches that in Chimera, instead of most of the time 8-) - make Minimize Structure work with metal ions (those in Amber parm94: calcium, magnesium, iron, etc.) - fix saving of sessions when sequences have been added to an alignment in Multalign Viewer (current workaround is to save the modified alignment to an alignment file) There may be additional updates and minor fixes not mentioned here. Best, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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Re: [Chimera-users] rotating items in chimera
by William Jeffrey Triffo 14 Jun '07

14 Jun '07

hi Elaine, I just loaded a pdb, selected an off-center atom, typed 'cofr' at commandline, and the cofr does not appear to change (rotation looks the same in the chimera window). I submitted a bug report, -Jeff Elaine Meng wrote: > > > On Jun 14, 2007, at 11:56 AM, William Jeffrey Triffo wrote: > >> thanks, >> >> I have actually had some weird instances where 'cofr' didn't seem to >> reset the center, if I can reproduce I'll let you know. >> >> -Jeff > > Yes, do (and send to the chimera-bugs address)! > E > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Triffo Auer Group, Donner Lab, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Raphael Group, Bioengineering Department, Rice University Medical Scientist Training Program (MSTP), Baylor College of Medicine phone (Berkeley): 510-486-7940 fax (Berkeley): 510-486-6488

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Re: [Chimera-users] export scene to maya, obj, iges, stl, dwg-dxp?
by Greg Couch 14 Jun '07

14 Jun '07

Just to follow up, the Maya VRML2 importer is actually a conversion program in Maya's bin directory. On Windows the program is called wrl2ma.exe and on Linux and Mac OS X it is called wrl2ma. See the Maya documentation for details. - Greg

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export scene to maya, obj, iges, stl, dwg-dxp?
by Damir Perisa 14 Jun '07

14 Jun '07

dear all, is it possible, to export a scene from chimera to mayaBinary, obj, iges, stl or dwg-dxp formats? i have checked and chimera can export to a X3D format (vrml) as well as PovRay. i didn't find any info about transforming one of these to some other format. has anybody successfully exported chimera scenes (ribbon+surface+single_residue_atoms mix structures, not just a pdb file as atoms alone) to a file-format used by designers? thanx in advance for any help, damir -- .·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ ° ° ° ° ° ° ><((((º> ° ° ° ° ° <º)))>< <º)))><

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Reading a data set from a text file
by Elaine Meng 14 Jun '07

14 Jun '07

Hi Kyaw, The only ways I can think of are: - create a VRML file describing a surface with those points, read into Chimera - write a Python script to be opened in Chimera that reads in the numbers and generates a Chimera surface model However, I do not know the details about how to do either of these things. Others, feel free to chime in! Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html Begin forwarded message: > Hi Dr. Meng, > > I am sorry for my vague question. > > I have a table of numbers in a text file and I'd like to read in > those numbers and convert them into cartesian coordinates so that > they can be displayed as a surface in Chimera. > > If you could give me some suggestions on how to do it, I'd really > appreciate it. > > Thank you, > Kyaw _______________________________________________ Chimera-dev mailing list Chimera-dev(a)cgl.ucsf.edu http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-dev

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Chimera: Reading a data set from a text file
by Kyaw Zeyar Myint 14 Jun '07

14 Jun '07

Hi, I am Kyaw Myint, a summer intern at NIAMS branch of NIH. I am working under the supervision of Dr. Bernard Heymann from the Lab of Structural Biology research. The project I am working on currently is to improve the 3D reconstruction of viruses' structures from 2D electron micrographs. The programs I am using include Chimera and Bsoft. For the project, I want to read in a data set from a text file and display the 3D surfaces based on that data set. I'd like to use Chimera for that purpose and I'd really appreciate any suggestion or comment on how I should do that. Thank you very much for your help in advance. Looking forward to hearing from you soon, Kyaw

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Problems with DMS installation
by 63668＠unimo.it 14 Jun '07

14 Jun '07

DMS is the only program requested to generate DOCK input files I was not able to install. I read something similar in this same mailing list. The first problem I encountered was an error message referred to "radii" directory. Thus I created the radii directory and I put radii.proto file into it. Now the error message is "Unknown atom type N", and by eliminating N atoms from my input file the new error message is "Unknown atom type CA", and so on. It seems that the program is not able to recognize atoms with their atomic radii, thus I think that the problem is still in this file. Any suggestion? Thank you, Valeria ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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toolbar
by Eric Pettersen 13 Jun '07

13 Jun '07

On Jun 13, 2007, at 12:21 AM, Graham Palmer wrote: > Eric: Another thing. In Favorites/Preferences/ Category Tools I > checked putting the Command Line on the Toolbar. But it never > appears there by default. I must always select the Command Line > in Favorites. I would prefer having it on the Toolbar by default. Hi Graham, You need to click the "Save" button on the preferences panel to make your changes permanent. --Eric

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new feature: conversion of atomic coordinates to electron density map
by Thomas C Marlovits 13 Jun '07

13 Jun '07

Hi, I am not quite sure, whether this is possible with Chimera ... but it would be great if there is a feature that would allow to convert a .pdb structure (atomic coordinates) into a map usually obtained by electron microscopy (sections) - for example into mrc/ccp4 format. Even filtering this map then to different resolutions (including storing entire maps) would be an interesting feature. Thanks, -Thomas __________________________________________ Thomas C Marlovits, PhD, M.A.S IMP - Institute of Molecular Pathology IMBA - Institute of Molecular Biotechnology, Austrian Academy of Sciences Dr. Bohr-Gasse 3 A-1030 Vienna AUSTRIA marlovits(a)imp.univie.ac.at Tel (+ 43) 1 79044 4630

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Looking for a Ramachandran plot display
by Oren Shalev 12 Jun '07

12 Jun '07

Hi all, I'm looking for a tool or an extension that displays the Ramachandran plot of a protein model, similar to the DeepView (SPDBViewer) tool. I'm not interested in the interactive features, just the display of residues as dots on the phi/psi plane, with dots colored, for example, by their C-Alphas' color. Do you know if such a tool was written for Chimera? With regards, Oren

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atoms/residues within a certain distance of another structure
by Terry Nelson 12 Jun '07

12 Jun '07

Hi, 1. I was wondering if Chimera has the option of finding for instance : "residues within 5 Angstrom of a bound protein inhibitor" or "residues within 3Ang. of solvent molecules", etc. I use a similar command in VMD that specifies the residues. 2. Does Chimera archive mails have a search engine that I missed? Cheers, Terry

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atoms/residues within a certain distance of protein
by Terry Nelson 12 Jun '07

12 Jun '07

Hi, 1. I was wondering if Chimera has the option of finding for instance : "residues within 5 Angstrom of a bound protein inhibitor" or "residues within 3Ang. of solvent molecules", etc. I use a similar command in VMD that specifies the residues. 2. Does Chimera archive mails have a search engine that I missed? Cheers, Terry

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Re: [Chimera-users] dock prep in batch mode?
by Eric Pettersen 11 Jun '07

11 Jun '07

On Jun 9, 2007, at 7:52 AM, figo wrote: > I have seen your solution to the dock > prep in batch mode (http://blur.compbio.ucsf.edu/pipermail/dock- > fans/2007-May/001043.html ) , but when I run the command : > chimera --nogui pdb:1gcn dockprep.py , the chimera want to Fetch > protein 1gcn from web site www.rcsb.org, I have download the > entire PDB, so how can I specify the PDB path to the chimera? Thanks. If you have the PDB files laid out the same way that the RCSB distributes them (e.g. entry 1GCN is in gc/pdb1gcn.ent) then Chimera will automatically look in /mol/pdb and /usr/mol/pdb for them. To have it look elsewhere you need to edit the file <your Chimera installation>/share/chimera/pdbDir and follow the reasonably simple instructions contained in that file. The drawback is that you will need to do that edit every time you install a new Chimera. Putting a better mechanism in place is on our to-do list. Other alternatives include putting the full path to the PDB file in your command, or putting all the files you need into one directory and using the PDB preferences (Favorites...Preferences...[change to PDB category]) to get Chimera to look in that directory. --Eric Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu

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rmsd and display queries
by bala 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Hello, 1) Basically i hav three conformations (only 3 pdb) of the same molecule picked up from three different regions of a simulated trajectory. I hv to calculte rmsd and superimpose structure. I tried the emsemble match but it seems that it can work on only two conformation. Kindly suggest me how i can overcome this. 2) Is it possible to create a substructure (subset) of a molecule and do rmsd calcutn and superimposing only on the substructures for the conformations i have.

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New to the board
by Campbell, Patrick 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

Hello, I am a grad student and have only been recently been introduced to Chimera. I have a quick question which I hope, someone will be able to assist me with. I am looking at a pdb protein, 2NEF which is composed of 40 NMR structures. I was able to isolate one of the chains and was wondering if a. It is possible to change part of the sequence on the chain (from AAAA to EEEE for instance). b. Is it possible to then use the changed sequence (B) to morph it against the original 3d sequence (A) c. Is it possible to align the changed fragment of B with the original A d. Could the changed sequence (B) be saved for future use or does one have to go through the process of creating it each time it is used on CHIMERA? thanks much pat

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Re: [Chimera-users] rmsd and display queries
by Elaine Meng 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

On Jun 8, 2007, at 12:06 AM, bala wrote: > Hi Elaine, > Thank you for your inputs. I think i didnt mention my second query > reg. substructure creation clearly, > I hve a 20 mer duplex RNA, i want to visualize only a few base > pairs at the middle. Is there any way that i can select, display > and do actions only the portion of interest and undisplay other > portion > Bala Hi Bala, Of course. The general procedure is to (1) select what you are interested in (2) invert the selection so now it contains only what you are *not* interested in (3) hide or delete the selection (if you're confident you won't want the other parts, deleting will make later steps simpler) (4) if you only hid rather than deleting, now select the parts of interest again, and use the Actions menu to work with those parts There are many different ways to do each step, too many to describe in this mail. Below, I'll just give an example using commands, but be aware that selection can also be done with Ctrl-click and arrow key operations, or with the Select menu, or using the Sequence tool: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/selection.html http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/seqpanel.html Commands example: open 6bna sel :4-8.a,5-9.b sel invert delete sel Then carry on with what is left, using commands or the menu as you prefer. I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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Re: [Chimera-users] IMOD mesh/surface colors
by Elaine Meng 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

Hi Jeff, There are two general reasons why the *displayed* marker radius and link radius might not equal the values shown in Volume Path Tracer. In the following explanation, atom = marker and bond = link. (1) The atom or marker is in the "ball" representation rather than "sphere." displayed ball radius = (ball scale)(atom radius) where the default ball scale is 0.25. You could - change the atom to the "sphere" representation, which uses the full radius. "Actions... Atoms/Bonds... sphere" or the command "repr sphere sel" will change the selected atoms to the sphere representation. or - stay in the "ball" representation but change the "ball scale" factor to 1.0 (I'll describe how to get to this parameter below) (2) Similar to the markers, displayed bond or link radius = (stick scale)(bond radius) You could make sure that the "stick scale" factor is 1.0. It probably already is, since that's the default. Of course, the bond or link should also be the stick representation, not wire. Volume Path Tracer automatically makes them sticks when the radius is >0, however. In the Model Panel, if you click the IMOD contours model (or any molecule model) on the left and "attributes..." on the right (or just double-click the model on the left), that opens the molecule model attributes panel. In there you can see and change the ball scale and stick scale values. In your example file trial2.mod, I selected a few markers and links and set all their radii to 20. After I changed the marker to sphere, it did match up in size with the connected link. The more I zoomed in, the better it looked. It may be a level of detail issue if they don't look matched up when zoomed out. You can increase the number of subdivisions used to draw the spheres/cylinders with subdivision quality in Effects (under Tools... Viewing Controls). The parallel links did not quite touch, however, but since you said the contours were approximately 40 A apart, I think it is working correctly! If you still have trouble, though, let me know. I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html On Jun 7, 2007, at 12:12 PM, William Jeffrey Triffo wrote: > thanks Elaine, > > another thing I noticed, when I change the marker (atom?) radius in > Volume Path Tracer, it does not appear to change quite right. For > instance, if I set the 'Link' radius to something like '20', and > likewise the Marker radius to '20', they will not be the same size. > > In general when making marker sets, this is not the case, and the > radius acts the same between the two settings. For these markers, > the contours were place approx. 40 A apart, so a marker (or link) > radius of '20' should make the contours 'kiss' when viewed as a > marker set, correct? > > thanks for your prompt response, it would make sense that I would > miss the color setting instructions on the actual page for the tool... > > -Jeff

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Saving images with the povray option
by jean-francois menetret 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

I am trying to save images with the povray option using chimera2416, but the camera viewpoint is lower than the center of the scene, so that I just see the bottom of the scene. Jean-Fran�ois M�n�tret, PhD Boston University School of Medicine Physiology and Biophysics Department 700 Albany Street W315 Boston, MA 02118 Email: menetret(a)bu.edu Mailing address: 715 Albany Street

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IMOD scaling and alignment
by Tom Goddard 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

Points placed in IMOD may not have proper scale and alignment when opened in Chimera together with the original MRC map. There are some IMOD settings that can fix this. Jeff wrote: > great, > > I don't know if I replied earlier or not, but if the issue comes up > with anyone else, setting the magnitude of the IMOD model (which a > user would typically do in the IMOD tool 3dmod) to be equal in > magnitude to the pixel size listed in the MRC header of the > desired/corresponding volume map is enough to ensure the proper > scaling; the default for units in 3dmod appears to be nm, while in MRC > files it is generally Angstroms. Applying a translation equal to the > origin offset that chimera uses in the MRC header is then sufficient > to co-register the two. > > -J

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Little help to write a python script
by Eduardo Sanz Garcia 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

I have previously written command scripts for chimera. Now, I need to do something more complicated that, I believe, is not possible to do from the command line. This is the task: I have a list of 100 electron density maps. 1- I want to display each map, one by one. 2- Change the default threshold. 3- Save an image of the current volume. 4- Close the current volume and open the next model. Has anyone done this before? An example of a python script that can do this or something similar could help me a lot. Thanks in advance.

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Volume segmentation question
by Toby Starborg 05 Jun '07

05 Jun '07

Dear Chimera users. I am new to using chimera, so this question may seem a bit simplistic. I'm trying to use Chimera to examine EM tomographs of fairly busy data sets. I'd like to be able to divide the data into separate features so that I can better understand which parts are noise and which are structural (segmentation). So far I have found the "Pick Surface Pieces" tool is very useful for colouring the surface of features of interest. I have also found it useful to colour some surfaces with 0 opacity to remove items that are in the way, but I would prefer to do this in a more permanent fashion sot that I can return to a data set and quickly compare structures. I have also tried using "Volume Path Tracker" with "Color Zone" and "Split Map by Color" (after adjusting the voxel size to angstroms rather than nm to give a reasonable volume segmentation). My question is would it be possible to alter "Pick Surface Pieces" so that it colours (or tags in some way) all of the voxels within the chosen mesh, so that it would then be possible to split the map into separate compartments that could be saved and examined separately? This would also offer the ability to use different threshold levels to examine different features. I realise that this is more of a wish list than a trouble shooting question, but I'd also appreciate any input from more experienced Chimera/tomography users. Thank you for your help. Toby S -- Dr T Starborg FLS, University of Manchester Michael Smith Building, Rumford Street, Manchester,M13 9PL. UK tel:+44(0)161 275 1557 fax +44(0)161 275 1505

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(no subject)
by Газизов А.С. 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Hello everybody. Is there Fe2+ ion in Chimera? I'm trying to add charges to hem molecule and it always appears to be Fe3+ (and Add Charge tool reports "There is odd number of electrons..." and fails).Assigning odd overall charge helps (i.e. +1, +3, etc), but I need +2...

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problem with chimera-->followup
by Vinay Kumar 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Hello all, Firstly. Greg, Thank you. Though, i have been using the linux OS for quite sometime, i still have a few doubts about upgrading and these sort of things. I have actually gone to mesa3d, OpenGL, and DRI websites. but they contain terms which i am not acquainted with. I have downloaded, MesaLib 6.4.2 and tried installing it as per their instructions, only to find the installation stopping with some error. ( i shall post the error in the next email.) I would like to know, if the installation went well, would i have upgraded X11?? With regards, Vinay. ps- MesaLib 6.5.3 was available, but 6.4.2 was stated to be a stable release hence opted that.

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problem with chimera
by Vinay Kumar 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Hello all, I have been using chimera and dock6.0 on a RHL9.0 system. More recently if i perform simple processes like coloring a molecule in chimera, the display goes blank and also logs me out of the session. meaning, i come back to the graphical login for my system. I am unable to proceed any further as repeated attempts to do simple tasks simply logs me out. Kindly help with suggestions. With regards, Vinay.

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Volume thresholds in Chimera
by Tom Goddard 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Huang, Ren-Huai wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for your help before. > > Chimera runs smoothly in my Linux computer. It generates very nice images for > EM reconstruction map. > Could you explain the concepts of thresholds of contour used in Volume > histogram? What is the value mean? > Thanks very much in advance, > > Ren-Huai > Thomas Goddard wrote: > Hi Ren-Huai, > > The map values shown in the Chimera volume viewer dialog are the > values that come from the file. Typically the map files do not have > any meaningful normalization. There is currently no facility for > instead showing values in standard deviation units. Chimera also does > not report the mean. These capabilities are on our requested features > list (entry #88). http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/plans.html > > The histogram shows the distribution of map data values. The height > is the logarithm of the number of grid points with values in a small > value range. > > Tom >

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Software tools wiki pages
by Bridget Carragher 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Hi there, In preparation for an announcement to go out about the JSB Software Tools Special Issue I am asking people who have entries on the 3DEM Software Tools wiki pages to update these if possible - eg. can you update the ref from the current "in press" to the right reference and also just check that the entry is otherwise up to date. Thanks, Bridget P.S. The url for these pages is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Software_tools_for_molecular_microscopy in case you don't have it handy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------- Bridget Carragher, Associate Professor Automated Molecular Imaging Group, Department of Cell Biology The Scripps Research Institute, MC CB129,10550 North Torrey Pines Road, La Jolla, CA 92037 tel: (858) 784-9070; fax: (858) 784-9090; bcarr(a)scripps.edu; http:// ami.scripps.edu National Resource for Automated Molecular Microscopy: http:// nramm.scripps.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------

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ESP grid is offset from original PDB coordinates??
by Kenward Vaughan 30 May '07

30 May '07

I was playing with esp results yesterday from Delphi on several structures, and ran a quick calculation on 2ace. To my surprise, the results as visualized as a solid under volume viewer were very obviously offset from the structure itself. They stand alone to one side of the original. I've attached a small jpg of this. I'm using the latest Linux production version (beta version 1 build 2415) on an amd64 box (Debian Sid, kernel 2.6.20). I hope there is a simple explanation... ;-) I am no expert with Delphi, so something may be odd there. I used a couple of the siz/crg files, with the same results in each case, so I suspect something in the original pdb file is messing things up? Cheers! Kenward -- .'^~;,_ Dr. Kenward Vaughan `:,'~~~~~ Professor of Chemistry \;:/ Bakersfield College |,;| 1801 Panorama Drive / ', \ Bakersfield, CA 93305 / o O \ http://www2.bc.cc.ca.us/kvaughan (oOoOOoOo) ---========--- ???$$MM$$???

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Python script for reading volume values at atom positions
by Tom Goddard 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi Terry, Here is a Python script to read a volume map and a PDB file and print the values of the map interpolated at the atom positions. It will work without the Chimera graphical user interface. I tested it in Chimera 1.2415. Tom # ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Script that opens PDB and map files and prints the map values interpolated # at each atom position. Can be run without graphical user interface: # # chimera --nogui avalnogui.py # def map_values_at_atoms(pdb_path, map_path): # Open map file. # File name has to have file suffix indicating volume format. from VolumeData import open_file data = open_file(map_path) from VolumeViewer import Data_Region, full_region, Rendering_Options ro = Rendering_Options() map = Data_Region(data, full_region(data.size), '', ro) attribute_name = data.name.split('.')[0] # Open PDB model(s). from chimera import openModels molecules = openModels.open(pdb_path, 'PDB') # Interpolate map values at atom positions. from AtomDensity import set_atom_volume_values for mol in molecules: set_atom_volume_values(mol, map, attribute_name) # Print values. for mol in molecules: for a in mol.atoms: v = getattr(a, attribute_name) print '%-15s %12.4g' % (a.oslIdent(), v) # ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # map_path = '/usr/local/src/chimera-demos/volume/examples/1a0m.omap' pdb_path = '/usr/local/src/chimera-demos/volume/examples/1a0m.pdb' map_values_at_atoms(pdb_path, map_path)

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Color in Chimera
by Albion Baucom 25 May '07

25 May '07

How do I determine the exact color value of a model from a previous session? I want to open a session, determine the color of a selected chain, and then color another chain that exact color. I can't seem to find an "eye-dropper" or other comparable tool to determine the color value (RGB, hex, etc). Thanks. Albion

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Chimera release candidate
by Elaine Meng 25 May '07

25 May '07

Hello everybody, A new version of Chimera (1.2415) is available for all platforms: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/download.html It is a candidate for a production release we plan to make in about a week. Many new features have been added since our last production release (1.2304, October 2006), as detailed in the release notes: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/1.2415/docs/relnotes/snapshot.html Here are just a few of the changes since last October: - embedded POV-Ray for production of glossy, shadowed images including labels - ability to supersample or to use POV-Ray when recording movies - new input formats: MDL MOL/SDF, Gromacs trajectories - new Fetch by ID types: EDS (fo-fc) electron density difference map, PQS predicted biological unit - Presets menu with display settings for interactive Chimera use or generation of publication images - Side View includes "top view" for interactively adjusting stereo parameters and perspective - expanded morphing capabilities - new Fit Map in Map tool - new windowsize command - updates to handle new naming conventions in the remediated PDB Enjoy! (and do let us know right away via "Report a Bug" or chimera- bugs(a)cgl.ucsf.edu if you find any problems) Thanks, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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Re: [Chimera-users] fit map in map
by Thomas Goddard 24 May '07

24 May '07

Hi Gabor, There are no Chimera commands to fit one map into another, but it can be done with a Python script. I've attached a Python script that I made by piecing together code from gui.py and __init__.py from directory chimera/share/FitMap. Tom Gabor Papai wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Can the fit map in map tool be used without the GUI and retreive back > only the transformation matrix? > Bye, > Gabor > # ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Example script for fitting one map in another without the graphical user # interface. # # chimera --nogui fitnogui.py # # It can also be run using the graphical Chimera interface using File/Open. # def fit_map_in_map(map1_path, map2_path, initial_map1_transform = None, map1_threshold = None, ijk_step_size_min = 0.01, # Grid index units ijk_step_size_max = 0.5, # Grid index units max_steps = 100, optimize_translation = True, optimize_rotation = True): # Files have to have file suffix indicating volume format. from VolumeData import open_file data1 = open_file(map1_path) data2 = open_file(map2_path) from VolumeViewer import Data_Region, full_region, Rendering_Options ro = Rendering_Options() map1 = Data_Region(data1, full_region(data1.size), '', ro) map2 = Data_Region(data2, full_region(data2.size), '', ro) if initial_map1_transform: from PDBmatrices.matrices import chimera_xform xf = chimera_xform(initial_map1_transform) map1.surface_model().openState.globalXform(xf) use_threshold = (map1_threshold != None) from FitMap import map_points_and_weights, motion_to_maximum points, point_weights = map_points_and_weights(map1, use_threshold) if len(points) == 0: if use_threshold: print 'No grid points above map threshold.' else: print 'Map has no non-zero values.' return move_tf, stats = motion_to_maximum(points, point_weights, map2, max_steps, ijk_step_size_min, ijk_step_size_max, optimize_translation, optimize_rotation) if initial_map1_transform: from PDBmatrices.matrices import multiply_matrices move_tf = multiply_matrices(move_tf, initial_map1_transform) header = ('\nFit map %s in map %s using %d points\n' % (map1.full_name(), map2.full_name(), stats['points']) + ' correlation = %.4g, overlap = %.4g\n' % (stats['correlation'], stats['overlap']) + ' steps = %d, shift = %.3g, angle = %.3g degrees\n' % (stats['steps'], stats['shift'], stats['angle'])) print header from FitMap.gui import transformation_description tfs = transformation_description(move_tf) print tfs # ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Example call fitting map into itself. # p1 = p2 = '/usr/local/src/chimera-demos/volume/examples/groel.mrc' fit_map_in_map(p1, p2)

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Electrostatical surface of a virus
by Eduardo Sanz-Garcia 24 May '07

24 May '07

I need to visualize the electrostatic surface of a virus. I don't know how to do it. I was thinking in the following sequence of instructions: 1. Use the DelPhiController to generate the potential map (*.phi) for the asymmetric unit. 2. Use Multiscale Models tool to generate the 60-related units. Is this a logic sequence ? Any hint would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Mac stereo
by Greg Couch 24 May '07

24 May '07

To deal with the issue that the Mac OS X's X11 doesn't work with stereo very well, we have decided to release an Aqua version of chimera concurrent with production releases of the X11 version. The Aqua version will be labeled as a snapshot because we still recommend using the X11 version (the user interface works much better than the Aqua version). But if you need stereo, multisampling (full window antialiasing), or background transparency/opacity, then you need to use the Aqua version. Greg Couch UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

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Re: [Chimera-users] Virus Images for the MSD Database
by Tom Goddard 23 May '07

23 May '07

Hi Jawahar, Unfortunately Chimera is not able to save images without displaying the graphical user interface. The image saving code grabs the image directly from the main window OpenGL graphics buffer, so it also will not work if the main window is covered or iconified. Greg Couch once made a special version of Chimera for Linux using the OSMesa graphics library that could do all the graphics off-screen including saving images. But I don't see that version in the Chimera download archive, and I believe it was made more than a year ago. We recently added raytraced image capture using POVray. Since that does not use the OpenGL graphics it should be able to work in nogui mode but a Chimera bug report indicates that does not work http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/cgi-bin/gnatsweb.pl?cmd=view&pr=3678&database=chime… and is expected to be difficult to fix. Unfortunately the only option at this time is to have the Chimera window appear to save an image. Tom Jawahar Swaminathan wrote: > Dear Tom, > We are interested in making virus capsid pictures for the MSD Database > atlas pages using chimera. For this purpose, I was recently provided > with a script from Cathy Lawson (RCSB) which makes really pretty > images of viral capsids. I attach the script given by Cathy below. > > However, since we would want to run chimera in an automatic manner > (ideally with the --nogui) option, I've been trying to run the script > with --nogui and this appears to conflict with the module tkgui which > is called in the program. > > So my question: is it possible to make images without necessarily > opening up a GUI ? > > I would be really grateful if you could clear this us.. > > best regards, > > Jawahar Swaminathan > PDB Depositions > Macromolecular Structure Database > EBI

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Problem with DCD not containing periodic box info when I use MD
by Antoine Daina 22 May '07

22 May '07

Hi Eric, I got a "DCD format error 9" returned by MD Movie in Chimera 1.2304 when trying to see the trajectory of a Charmm simulation without periodic box info. Can we easily fix it ? Antoine Daina, PhD, University of Geneva.

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Tips for making density map images.
by Thomas Goddard 21 May '07

21 May '07

Here are some suggestions for making density map images in Chimera 1.2382. White background color. Set with two menu entries Actions/Color/Background and Actions/Color/White. To make white the default use Favorites/Preferences, category Background, set background color button to white and press Preferences dialog Save button. Surface smoothing. Use volume dialog Features/Surface-And-Mesh-Options and click "Surface smoothing..." checkbutton. To make this the default, turn it on then use Features/Save-default-dialog-settings. Close the surface-and-mesh-options panel before saving the settings or it will always be shown taking up alot of space. Image supersampling. Removes saw-tooth edges from saved images that are especially visible with white background. Does this by making a larger image in memory then averaging down to a smaller size. When saving an image you see many small pieces flash by in main window if supersampling is being used. To turn it on use File/Save-image, press the Image Setup button in the save image dialog, then set Supersample to 3x3 in the preferences dialog that appears. Press the Save button in the preferences dialog to make this the default. For Chimera versions after 1.2392 this will look different. Supersample will be an option on the save image dialog. Saving image same size as on screen. To make a saved image the same size in pixels as it appears in the Chimera window press the Get Pixels button in the File/Save-image dialog. In Chimera versions after 1.2392 this will be the default. Silhouette edges. To add black edges around maps that makes it easier to see when part of map is in front of another part use Favorites/Side-view, choose the Effects tab in the viewing dialog that appears, click on silhouette edges. Save raytraced image. Gives glossy appearance and shadows. Use File/Save-image and set "Raytrace with POV-Ray" to True. Make back parts of surface darker. Use Favorites/Side-view and move the right vertical yellow line towards the left. The surface gets dimmer from half way between the yellow lines to the right yellow line. Your eye position in this side view is shown as the square at the left and the red lines indicate how wide your field of view is. If you move the right yellow line (rear clipping plane) it will hide parts of the map -- everything to its right is invisible. Probably want to avoid that. Make recesses in surfaces darker to improve sense of depth. Use Tools/Volume-data/Surface-color. For spherical virus color the surface using "Radius", use 2 colors, Gray pattern, press "Set full range colormap values" to get minimum and maximum surface radius, press Color. You may need to press the Center button if the virus map is not centered at (0,0,0), and also press the "Set full range..." button again in that case. Probably you'll want to modify the minimum and maximum radius to get the best effect, also maybe adjust the two colors. For filaments use "Cylinder radius". Make recesses darker for asymmetric maps. This is a bit trickier than for spherical or cylindrical maps. For ribosomes or other asymmetric maps first create a blurred version of the map using Tools/Volume-data/Gaussian-filter. This tool has to be downloaded separately from the Chimera experimental features web page http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/experimental/experimental.html and installed. Choose a gaussian width of about 1/3 the diameter of the surface (in angstroms, maybe 30 for a ribosome) and press Filter. Use the Tools/Volume-data/Surface-color and color the original map using the gaussian smoothed map. High values of the Gaussian smoothed map are in the interior and should be made a dark color. This makes the perception of depth dramatically better. Tom

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Re: [Chimera-users] [chimera-dev] Protein to ligand shortest distances?
by Elaine Meng 21 May '07

21 May '07

Hi Kate, The Find Clashes/Contacts tool will report all atoms near your ligand and the corresponding distances. However, it does not work with a single strict cutoff, but instead uses the atoms' VDW radii. For example, if you used a cutoff of 0.0 overlap, that would find all atoms with VDW surfaces either intersecting or just touching. It finds all the atoms meeting your specified cutoff criteria, so you would still need to look at the list of results to see which atom is the closest from each residue. There are two cutoff parameters, the amount of VDW overlap and the extra closeness allowed for H-bonding pairs. As mentioned in the manual page, http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/findclash/ findclash.html the suggested values for these two parameters are: 0.4-1.0 and 0.2-0.6, respectively, if you only want to detect "clashes" (unfavorably close contacts) -0.4-1.0 (negative values) and 0.0, respectively, to detect contacts in general It sounds like you want the latter. Select your ligand (for example by Ctrl-click on one atom and then hitting the keyboard up arrow), open the tool (Tools... Structure Analysis... Find Clashes/Contacts), click "Designate" to specify you want to find contacts of the selected atoms (the ligand) versus all other atoms. Set the parameters to -0.5 and 0.0. In the bottom section check "Write information to reply log" and uncheck the other options. Open the reply log (it's in the Favorites menu). Click Apply and the list of results will be written in the Reply Log window. You could play around with the VDW overlap parameter and when you think you have what you want, you could use the "Write information to file" instead of the reply log. As I mentioned above, you would still have to look through the results to see the closest atom from each residue. The more negative the parameter, the more atoms will be found (including those which are further away from the ligand). There is also a command version of this tool, http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/findclash.html If you really care that you include all residues with any atom within 5 angstroms, you could do an additional step first: select the ligand, then Select... Zone using 5 angstroms, then use Actions... Write List to save the names of the "selected residues" to a file. You can compare this list to the more detailed results from Find Clashes/Contacts to find the closest atom from each of the residues. I hope this helps, Elaine p.s. I'm sending this to chimera-users too because that is more for user questions, while chimera-dev is more for developer/programmer questions ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html On May 20, 2007, at 10:12 PM, khar6039(a)mail.usyd.edu.au wrote: > Hi all, > I'm new to chimera and would like a simple way to zone 5 Angstroms > around a > ligand and then have chimera tell me what the shortest distances are > between these residues and the ligand. Is this possible? > Cheers, > Kate

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Multiple stucture comparision
by Pankaj Barah 19 May '07

19 May '07

Dear all, I have been using UCSF Chimera for structural superpositions for last few days. But while trying to do multiple superimposition for a set of proteins, i am unable to perform it. can anybody give me any suggestion? Regards Pankaj Barah Junior Research Fellow, Phone:+91-9922346120(M) Bioinformatics Centre, +91-20-25692039(O) University of Pune, Pune 411 007,Maharashtra, India. Pankaj Borah MSc Bioinformatics Univ of Madras(HCAS) Mobile number: 09884270481(Chennai)/ 09844514157(B'lore) Home number:(03752)259201 Alt. Mail id: pankajborah(a)gmail.com Group homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bioinformatrix/ --------------------------------- Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution!

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Pub3D database URL
by Elaine Meng 18 May '07

18 May '07

Hi everybody, In a previous message I mentioned Pub3D as a useful source of 3D coordinates (SDF files) for many PubChem entries. The URL for that server is now http://www.chembiogrid.org/cheminfo/p3d Enjoy! Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html Begin forwarded message: > From: Rajarshi Guha <rguha(a)indiana.edu> > Date: May 17, 2007 4:44:53 PM PDT > To: Elaine Meng <meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> > Subject: Re: Pub3D SDFs > >> I noticed that your Pub3D site has not been reachable for a while. >> ( http://rguha.ath.cx/~rguha/p3d/ ) > > Aah! My Apache redirect failed again :( > > Actually, we have a new URL for it which should be constant (and is > independent of my machine) > > http://www.chembiogrid.org/cheminfo/p3d > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rajarshi Guha <rguha(a)indiana.edu> > GPG Fingerprint: 0CCA 8EE2 2EEB 25E2 AB04 06F7 1BB9 E634 9B87 56EE > -------------------------------------------------------------------

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mac stereo
by Dougherty, Matthew T. 14 May '07

14 May '07

what is the status of mac quadro fx4500 stereographics on chimera? thanks, matt Matthew Dougherty *** 713-433-3849 *** National Center for Macromolecular Imaging***

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benchmark
by Dougherty, Matthew T. 14 May '07

14 May '07

nvidia quadro fx 4500 macpro Dual-Core Intel Xeon clock 2.66 GHz macos 10.4.9 pci express date 5/11/7 chimera 2382 graphics memory 512 MB main memory 2GB unknown apple graphics driver Molecule (Atoms): Null Wire Stick BStick Ribbon Sphere Ops 1GCN (246): 4439.0 4263.0 827.0 828.0 4344.0 1201.0 11755.0 1YTI (798): 4285.0 4034.0 307.0 307.0 4119.0 475.0 3562.0 2GBP (2575): 3384.0 3217.0 103.0 102.0 3139.0 166.0 1063.0 1GOT (6449): 1833.0 1602.0 41.0 41.0 1702.0 67.0 395.0 2HMG (12189): 461.0 478.0 22.0 21.0 489.0 35.0 143.0 2PDA (18894): 271.0 293.0 14.0 14.0 297.0 22.0 76.0 1YNJ (24369): 211.0 230.0 11.0 11.0 232.0 18.0 56.0 1F4H (33805): 154.0 166.0 8.0 8.0 169.0 13.0 38.0 Matthew Dougherty *** 713-433-3849 *** National Center for Macromolecular Imaging***

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Normal Modes, arrows and more...
by Jean-Didier Marechal 14 May '07

14 May '07

Dear All, I am trying to use chimera to draw arrows of the Normal Modes vectors I previously calculated with charmm. I see different possibilities to provide chimera with the vectors, but how can I draw the arrows? I found a request on the list from Mingfeng Yang that Petter answered in october 2004 regarding a similar problem. Unfortunately the link indicated for VRML does not work anymore. What are the actual features of chimera that would allow me to do something like this ? All the best, JD -- Dr. Jean-Didier Maréchal Professor Assistant Physical-Chemistry Unit Department of Chemistry University Autonomous of Barcelona 08193 Bellaterra, Spain Tel: (+34).93.581.49.36 Fax: (+34).93.581.29.20 e-mail: jeandidier.marechal(a)uab.es

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Re: [Chimera-users] imod model viewing
by Tom Goddard 11 May '07

11 May '07

Hi David, The Chimera IMOD model file reader only handles the meshes in the file. My guess is that the file you made does not contain meshes. Maybe it only has contour lines for the spheres. Or maybe the file format can contain geometric primitives like spheres without contour lines or meshes being specified. I don't know enough about IMOD to be sure. Tom David G. Morgan wrote: > Tom, > > I was trying to use the new IMOD file reader and must be doing something > foolish. I downloaded the newest chimera snapshot release (1.2392) and > the imod.zip file and made a new installation. I can load my IMOD > volume into chimera without any trouble. I then "opened" the IMOD model > file (it opened as an "IMOD segmentation" type). That works without > trouble, but I don't ever see the model. Even trying to use "focus" to > bring it into the field of view gives me a blank field. > > It's possible that my model is the wrong type - I'm playing with chimera > in preparation for needing to do something fancy, so I simply created a > set of spheres of different colors and different radii in IMOD, saved > that model and tried to read it into chimera. I thought I'd simply be > able to read this into chimera and see a couple of spheres, but I don't. > I'm sure I'm doing something silly, but figured I'd bother you while I > play around with it. > > David Gene Morgan > University of California at Davis >

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Question about background transparency
by Vanacore, Roberto M 09 May '07

09 May '07

What are the system requirements to run -bgopacity option in a windows machine? I've tried adding to option (--bgopacity) to the startup command but I can not get a transparent background I'm using Chimera 2.2199 Thanks! Roberto Roberto Vanacore, PhD B-3101 Medical Center North Vanderbilt University Medical Center 1161 Twenty-first Ave South Nashville, TN 37232-2372 Phone: 615-322-7306 Fax: 615-322-7381

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contour levels in Morph Map
by Gabor Papai 09 May '07

09 May '07

Dear all, Is it possible with the Morph Map tool to set the contour levels of the two maps differently? For e.g. if I would like to morph between a map, which is obtained from single particle analysis and has the right contour level of 0.2 - and a second map, which is obtained from tomography and has the right contour level of 2.2, it gives weird result. Other question: does somebody consider to make chimera able to read Imagic files? Thanks for the help! Regards, Gabor -- Gabor Papai IGBMC Department of Structural Biology and Genomics 1, rue Laurent Fries, BP 10142 67404 Illkirch, France phone +33-3-88655748 Fax +33-3-88653201 E-mail: papai(a)igbmc.u-strasbg.fr

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chain selection in a multi-conformatin pdb file.
by Hong Liang 09 May '07

09 May '07

Hi Chimera fans, 1. If a pdb file contains more then one struture, how can I select and keep just one and get rid of the rest. Such as 1X95. It is a big mess after Chimera load the the DNA pdb structure. How can I leave just one double helix? 2. Can Chimera do the extension of DNA. Such as 1X95 has the hexamer with the sequence of ATGCAT, can Chimera double it to a dodecamer with a sequence ATGCATATGCAT? It Chimera can not do that, do you know which software has such a function. I tried PyMol but did not get what I wanted. Thanks a lot. Hong

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Defining a zone around a point defined by x, y, z coordinates
by Jean-Didier Marechal 08 May '07

08 May '07

Dear all, We are having difficulties in defining a certain type of selection zones in chimera. Our problem is that we don't want to centre the zone on an atom selection but on one point of the space defined by its 3D coordinates. Typically we want to give chimera the x,y,z coordinates and select all the atoms included in a sphere of 25 angstroms around this point. How can we do so? Thanks a lot JD -- Dr. Jean-Didier Maréchal Professor Assistant Physical-Chemistry Unit Department of Chemistry University Autonomous of Barcelona 08193 Bellaterra, Spain Tel: (+34).93.581.49.36 Fax: (+34).93.581.29.20 e-mail: jeandidier.marechal(a)uab.es

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Find Hbonds in batch
by Stefan Bienert 08 May '07

08 May '07

Hello Chimera fans! Is there a way to use chimera for finding hydrogen bonds for tons of molecules? I'm thinking of something like a command line script, which loads a pdb file, fetches the hbonds and writes them to a file. I got around 1000 pdb files and therefore doing everything manually is not an option ;-) greetings, Stefan -- Stefan Bienert Zentrum fuer Bioinformatik Universitaet Hamburg Bundesstrasse 43 20146 Hamburg Germany Email: bienert(a)zbh.uni-hamburg.de Phone: +49 (40) 42838 7345 Fax: +49 (40) 42838 7332

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importing sdf files from PubChem
by Mark Andrake 07 May '07

07 May '07

Hey Folks, It is a relatively new feature to be able to read SDF compound structure files in Chimera. (I have release 2350 for Windows - I will be upgrading to the new snapshot that I just saw while looking around the site) Anyway - I tried with a compound sdf file that I got from PubChem (enclosed) - but seemed to have problems. At first it gave an error shown in the first lines below - and then seemed to say that it opened the files - but no atoms were displayed and no new model ID was generated and put into the Model Panel . Opening C:\Documents and Settings\andrake\My Documents\WORK f\PDBs\Cy3_CID_16048627.sdf Error reading C:\Documents and Settings\andrake\My Documents\WORK f\PDBs\Cy3_CID_16048627.sdf: Unexpected end of file (parser state: post header 1) in MOL/SDF file 'C:\Documents and Settings\andrake\My Documents\WORK f\PDBs\Cy3_CID_16048627.sdf' Done opening C:\Documents and Settings\andrake\My Documents\WORK f\PDBs\Cy3_CID_16048627.sdf Opening C:\Documents and Settings\andrake\My Documents\WORK f\PDBs\Cy3_CID_16048627.sdf Error reading C:\Documents and Settings\andrake\My Documents\WORK f\PDBs\Cy3_CID_16048627.sdf: Unexpected end of file (parser state: post header 1) in MOL/SDF file 'C:\Documents and Settings\andrake\My Documents\WORK f\PDBs\Cy3_CID_16048627.sdf' Done opening C:\Documents and Settings\andrake\My Documents\WORK f\PDBs\Cy3_CID_16048627.sdf I tried various atom selections and displaying all - but it seems obvious that it has not read in atoms and bonds. I have browsed around the documentation and only found a link to the sdf file formats. (I checked this out and tried editing out two of the header lines - ) It seems the error is unexpected end of file past the header. When checking the sdf file format information it seems that the $$$$ should be the only end of file mark - and there is only one at the end of my file. I also tried the whole procedure with a different sdf file from PubChem. Can anyone recognize what is causing the error in the enclosed file? Beyond that - are there other instructions on sdf file use in chimera that I did not see in searching the documentation? Thanks in advance, Mark -- Mark Andrake, Ph.D. Research Associate Fox Chase Cancer Center ICR428 7701 Burholme Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19111 215-728-3654 mark.andrake(a)fccc.edu 16048627 -OEChem-05040716572D 113118 0 0 0 0 0 0 0999 V2000 3.4030 4.5407 0.0000 S 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11.7288 -2.2663 0.0000 S 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.5369 5.0407 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.9030 5.4067 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.9030 3.6746 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11.7288 -3.2663 0.0000 O 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10.7288 -2.2663 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12.7288 -2.2663 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6.1864 -3.2991 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17.1265 4.0641 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.8972 -2.1423 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16.7693 2.3693 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6.6424 -5.4263 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.0223 -3.0754 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 18.7407 5.5226 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 18.0148 2.0782 0.0000 O 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 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47 93 1 0 0 0 0 48 94 1 0 0 0 0 49 51 1 0 0 0 0 49 95 1 0 0 0 0 49 96 1 0 0 0 0 50 52 1 0 0 0 0 50 97 1 0 0 0 0 50 98 1 0 0 0 0 51 53 1 0 0 0 0 51 99 1 0 0 0 0 51100 1 0 0 0 0 52 54 1 0 0 0 0 52101 1 0 0 0 0 52102 1 0 0 0 0 53 55 1 0 0 0 0 53103 1 0 0 0 0 53104 1 0 0 0 0 56 60 1 0 0 0 0 57 61 1 0 0 0 0 58 62 1 0 0 0 0 59 63 1 0 0 0 0 60 61 1 0 0 0 0 60106 1 0 0 0 0 60107 1 0 0 0 0 61108 1 0 0 0 0 61109 1 0 0 0 0 62 63 1 0 0 0 0 62110 1 0 0 0 0 62111 1 0 0 0 0 63112 1 0 0 0 0 63113 1 0 0 0 0 M CHG 2 6 -1 17 1 M END > <PUBCHEM_COMPOUND_CID> 16048627 > <PUBCHEM_CACTVS_HBOND_ACCEPTOR> 15 > <PUBCHEM_CACTVS_HBOND_DONOR> 1 > <PUBCHEM_CACTVS_ROTATABLE_BOND> 19 > <PUBCHEM_CACTVS_SUBSKEYS> AAADcfB/vABgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWLFiAAwYAAAAAAAAFgBQAAAHgQECAAADgjB2AQyyYMQAIKoAyXyXHDCAEAhAgAoiBk4ZJgIIDLAkZGEIAhkhCDIyAedyMAPgAQAgAACAAAACAEAAAQAAAAAAAAAAA== > <PUBCHEM_IUPAC_OPENEYE_NAME> (2E)-1-[5-(2,5-dioxopyrrolidin-1-yl)oxycarbonylpentyl]-2-[(E)-3-[1-[5-(2,5-dioxopyrrolidin-1-yl)oxycarbonylpentyl]-3,3-dimethyl-5-sulfo-indol-2-yl]prop-2-enylidene]-3,3-dimethyl-indoline-5-sulfonate > <PUBCHEM_IUPAC_CAS_NAME> (2E)-1-[5-[(2,5-dioxopyrrolidin-1-yl)oxy-oxo-methyl]pentyl]-2-[(E)-3-[1-[5-[(2,5-dioxopyrrolidin-1-yl)oxy-oxo-methyl]pentyl]-3,3-dimethyl-5-sulfo-indol-2-yl]prop-2-enylidene]-3,3-dimethyl-indoline-5-sulfonate > <PUBCHEM_IUPAC_NAME> (2E)-1-[5-(2,5-dioxopyrrolidin-1-yl)oxycarbonylpentyl]-2-[(E)-3-[1-[5-(2,5-dioxopyrrolidin-1-yl)oxycarbonylpentyl]-3,3-dimethyl-5-sulfo-indol-2-yl]prop-2-enylidene]-3,3-dimethyl-indole-5-sulfonate > <PUBCHEM_IUPAC_SYSTEMATIC_NAME> (2E)-1-[5-(2,5-dioxopyrrolidin-1-yl)oxycarbonylpentyl]-2-[(E)-3-[1-[5-(2,5-dioxopyrrolidin-1-yl)oxycarbonylpentyl]-3,3-dimethyl-5-sulfo-indol-2-yl]prop-2-enylidene]-3,3-dimethyl-indole-5-sulfonate > <PUBCHEM_IUPAC_TRADITIONAL_NAME> (2E)-1-[5-(2,5-dioxopyrrolidin-1-yl)oxycarbonylpentyl]-2-[(E)-3-[1-[5-(2,5-dioxopyrrolidin-1-yl)oxycarbonylpentyl]-3,3-dimethyl-5-sulfo-indol-2-yl]prop-2-enylidene]-3,3-dimethyl-indoline-5-sulfonate > <PUBCHEM_NIST_INCHI> InChI=1/C43H50N4O14S2/c1-42(2)30-26-28(62(54,55)56)16-18-32(30)44(24-9-5-7-14-40(52)60-46-36(48)20-21-37(46)49)34(42)12-11-13-35-43(3,4)31-27-29(63(57,58)59)17-19-33(31)45(35)25-10-6-8-15-41(53)61-47-38(50)22-23-39(47)51/h11-13,16-19,26-27H,5-10,14-15,20-25H2,1-4H3,(H-,54,55,56,57,58,59)/f/h54H > <PUBCHEM_CACTVS_EXACT_MASS> 910.276 > <PUBCHEM_OPENEYE_MF> C43H50N4O14S2 > <PUBCHEM_OPENEYE_MW> 911.008 > <PUBCHEM_OPENEYE_CAN_SMILES> CC1(C2=C(C=CC(=C2)S(=O)(=O)O)[N+](=C1C=CC=C3C(C4=C(N3CCCCCC(=O)ON5C(=O)CCC5=O)C=CC(=C4)S(=O)(=O)[O-])(C)C)CCCCCC(=O)ON6C(=O)CCC6=O)C > <PUBCHEM_OPENEYE_ISO_SMILES> CC1(C2=C(C=CC(=C2)S(=O)(=O)O)[N+](=C1\C=C\C=C\3/C(C4=C(N3CCCCCC(=O)ON5C(=O)CCC5=O)C=CC(=C4)S(=O)(=O)[O-])(C)C)CCCCCC(=O)ON6C(=O)CCC6=O)C > <PUBCHEM_CACTVS_TPSA> 245 > <PUBCHEM_OPENEYE_MONOISOTOPICWT> 910.276 > <PUBCHEM_TOTAL_CHARGE> 0 > <PUBCHEM_HEAVY_ATOM_COUNT> 63 > <PUBCHEM_ATOM_DEF_STEREO_COUNT> 0 > <PUBCHEM_ATOM_UDEF_STEREO_COUNT> 0 > <PUBCHEM_BOND_DEF_STEREO_COUNT> 2 > <PUBCHEM_BOND_UDEF_STEREO_COUNT> 0 > <PUBCHEM_ISOTOPIC_ATOM_COUNT> 0 > <PUBCHEM_COMPONENT_COUNT> 1 > <PUBCHEM_CACTVS_TAUTO_COUNT> 9 > <PUBCHEM_BONDANNOTATIONS> 25 27 8 25 37 8 26 28 8 26 38 8 27 41 8 28 42 8 37 44 8 38 45 8 41 46 8 42 48 8 44 46 8 45 48 8 $$$$

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Suggestion for Metal Geometry Feature
by Walter Fast 07 May '07

07 May '07

Hi Elaine (I think!), I know there is a measure angle feature in Chimera. I have been using this to define metal ligand geometries in our protein structures (for example, distinguishing between square pyramidal and trigonal bypramidal geometries). Maybe if there is enough interest, this could be an automated feature in the future where a metal ion is selected and then all of the ligands and angles are automatically displayed along with an assigned geometry. We've been using the following reference for assigning them. Just a suggestion! Many thanks, Walt -- Walter Fast, Ph.D. Assistant Professor The University of Texas at Austin College of Pharmacy The Division of Medicinal Chemistry Phone: (512) 232-4000 Fax: (512) 232-2606 Lab: (512) 471-5839 Email: WaltFast(a)mail.utexas.edu http://www.utexas.edu/pharmacy/divisions/medicinalchem/faculty/fast.html

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Re: [Chimera-users] importing sdf files from PubChem
by Elaine Meng 05 May '07

05 May '07

Hi Mark, You're welcome! I tried getting an SDF directly from PubChem, and that caused the same error you sent, again fixed by cutting and pasting the contents into another SDF file. Cutting/pasting (or otherwise getting rid of bad invisible characters) is the way to go for SDFs from PubChem, at least for now. We may take a look at those files (although I doubt there is a high demand for viewing 2D structures in Chimera!). Best, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html On May 5, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Mark Andrake wrote: > Elaine, > > Thanks so much for your fast reply. > I can see from the users group that you guys do such a great job in > responding to user questions and concerns. > > After a quick gaze and trying on my laptop chimera at home - > it looks like there must be a hidden character issue. > I also had tried MS Word and saved it as a txt file > (in case there was some problem in the browser creating the file) > but maybe MS Word does not flatten out the file with just ASCI > characters. > > Next time I will try cutting and pasting through something like > WordPad first. > > In any case your test.sdf opened fine in my laptop chimera. > Thanks so much - have a great weekend! > > Mark > > Mark Andrake, Ph.D. > Research Associate > > Fox Chase Cancer Center > ICR428 > 7701 Burholme Ave. > Philadelphia, PA 19111 > 215-728-3654 > mark.andrake(a)fccc.edu > > > Elaine Meng wrote:Hi Mark, >> I've attached the test.sdf file mentioned in my previous message. >> Best, >> Elaine >> ----- >> Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu >> UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab >> Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry >> University of California, San Francisco >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html >> >> >>

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selecting a unique ligand structure from multiple copy
by Jean-Didier Marechal 03 May '07

03 May '07

Hi everyone, I am working with different protein structures that have at least two copies of the ligand in their binding site. How could I select only one of them? (I'd like a selection specification that does not require the atom numbers if possible). Cheers JD -- Dr. Jean-Didier Maréchal Professor Assistant Physical-Chemistry Unit Department of Chemistry University Autonomous of Barcelona 08193 Bellaterra, Spain Tel: (+34).93.581.49.36 Fax: (+34).93.581.29.20 e-mail: jeandidier.marechal(a)uab.es

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wwPDB Announcement: Release of Remediated PDB Data
by Cathy Lawson 03 May '07

03 May '07

***wwPDB Announcement: Release of Remediated PDB Data*** The wwPDB has collaborated on a project to remediate the PDB archive and create a new set of corrected files. The entire archive has been reviewed and remediated with the objectives of improving the detailed chemical description of non- polymer and monomer chemical components; standardizing atom nomenclature; updating sequence database references and taxonomies; resolving any remaining differences between chemical and macromolecular sequences; improving the representation of viruses; and verifying primary citation assignments. In addition, the atom nomenclature for amino acids and nucleotides now conforms with IUPAC standards. A new FTP server containing the remediated data has been set up for testing. The access details for this site are provided at http:// www.wwpdb.org/remediation-downloads.html. The new ftp site will be updated weekly in concert with the current production site at ftp:// ftp.rcsb.org. Both sites share the same directory structure. Starting May 1, the remediated data will be served using gzip compression. Your input is very important to us. PDB users are encouraged to test the remediated data files between now and July 2007. The details of the final transition will be announced on the wwPDB website (http:// www.wwpdb.org) Detailed information about the wwPDB remediation project can be found at http://remediation.wwpdb.org. Comments about the files should be sent to info(a)wwpdb.org. Major announcements will be made at the wwPDB website (http:// www.wwpdb.org) as well as on the individual member websites.

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Ligand structure minimization
by Jean-Didier Marechal 02 May '07

02 May '07

Dear all, I don't know whether my problem falls in "bug" or "user request" category, pcorry if I use the wrong list. I am preparing a course where students will perform some protein-ligand dockings. I was thinking in minimizing the ligand in chimera using the "minimize structure" tool. I have installed the 1.2356 (that's what I thought but the message in the "About UCSF Chimera" pop up window says 1.2376 actually) version of chimera on ubuntu 6.10 and when I try to minimize my ligand (a HIV protease inhibitor), I am stopped at the PARMCHK run. Chimera seems to have compatibility problems with numpy. I join here the message given in the reply log file: .... Charges for residue U0E determined Total charge for #0: 1.0000 Running PARMCHK for U0E1.pdb command: /usr/local/chimera/bin/antechamber/exe/parmchk -i /tmp/tmpc6R8F8/parmchk.in.0 -f mol2 -o /tmp/tmpc6R8F8/frcmod.0 -p /usr/local/chimera/share/MMMD/parm/gaff.dat Finished PARMCHK for U0E1.pdbThis version of Chimera uses numpy for calculations. Numeric is only available in Chimera 1.2318 and earlier. Is there an easy way to move around this problem or should I install a earlier version of chimera for the moment? cheers, JD

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How does chimera invoke msms?
by aladdin 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

I need to know the solvent accessible surface of a protein, that means the info of solvent accessibility of residues or atoms . If I directly run "msms" with "-af" option, I can get an .area file in which stored such information. But in chimera's surface model, I cannot find what I need. How can I get the solvent accessible info in chimera? Thanks. liren --------------------------------------------

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Re: [Chimera-users] mutating amino acid side chain_deleting single atom
by Gary Laco 24 Apr '07

24 Apr '07

Hi, How can I mutate an amino acid side chain in a protein to another residue using Chimera? Also, how do I delete a single atom on an amino acid (for example a hydrogen). I looked through all the tools and did not find a way to do it. Thanks, Gary Gary S. Laco, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Biochemistry Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine-Bradenton 5000 Lakewood Ranch Blvd. Bradenton, FL 34211 Office: 941-782-5666 Fax: 941-782-5729 E-mail: <mailto:glaco@lecom.edu> glaco(a)lecom.edu

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movie and 'side view'
by jean-francois menetret 23 Apr '07

23 Apr '07

Is it possible to include the 'side view' during movie recording ? Jean-Fran�ois M�n�tret, PhD Boston University School of Medicine Physiology and Biophysics Department 700 Albany Street W315 Boston, MA 02118 Email: menetret(a)bu.edu Mailing address: 715 Albany Street

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Secondary Structure Editing
by anat＠chem.ch.huji.ac.il 23 Apr '07

23 Apr '07

Hi, I would like to know if it's possible to edit (manually) the secondary structure attribute of single amino acid in the computed sequence given by Chimera (e.g. from strand to helix). Thank you for your help, Anat, the Hebrew university of Jerusalem. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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Re: [Chimera-users] Chimera-users Digest, Vol 48, Issue 17
by Puey Ounjai 21 Apr '07

21 Apr '07

Dear all; I am wondering can we manually assign secondary structure to each residues in the PDB file in chimera? Thanks Puey

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Chimera crash
by hsosa＠aecom.yu.edu 21 Apr '07

21 Apr '07

Hi, I'm having problems later with chimera. Sometimes when rotating molecules or volumes the whole computer freezes for a while. Sometimes recover and will freeze again after a few more molecule movements. Sometimes the whole system crash with blue screen and reboot. It seems like a new problem as I've bee using chimera for a while and it didn't' happen before. As far as I know everything is the same in the computer. I'm running the latest snapshot release of chimera but that doesn't seem to be the problem. I deinstalled this version and installed the latest production release and got the same problem. Any ideas what the problem may be ?. Thanks Hernando System details UCSF chimera version 1.2382 (or 1.2304) OS: Windows XP service pack-2 Computer: Dell Precision 530 with Dual Xeon 1.4 GHZ processors and 1 GB RAM Graphic Card: NVDIA Quadro 900 XGL Video BIOS version 4.25.00.27.05 ForceWare version 91.36 -- ----------------------------------- Hernando Sosa Dept. of Physiology and Biophysics Albert Einstein College of Medicine 1300 Morris Park Av. Bronx NY 10461 phone (718) 430-3456 FAX (718) 430-8819 email hsosa(a)aecom.yu.edu -----------------------------------

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Transform Molecule Coordinates
by rkhayat＠scripps.edu 19 Apr '07

19 Apr '07

Hi, I was wondering if there is a stand alone version of the "Transform Molecule Coordinates" Chimera extension available. Alternatively, how will I be able to use this feature outside of Chimera? Thanks. Reza

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Re: [Chimera-users] rotating maps in chimera
by Tom Goddard 19 Apr '07

19 Apr '07

Hi Preethi, Here's what caused the misalignment when you opened "subtracted map 2", let's call that one map 3, into Chimera where the original map 2 and reoriented map 1 were already opened. When you open map 3 Chimera needed to give it an initial transformation. Maps 1 and 2 had different transforms. Chimera chooses the transform of the map with the lowest id number (shown in Model Panel, menu entry Favorites / Model Panel). Map 1 must have had the lowest id number, so it got the transform of map 1 instead of the transform of map 2. Chimera had no way of knowing that map 3 was just a modified version of map 2. When you open data in Chimera it assigns an id number to it (shown in Model Panel). The id number is 0 for the first opened data set, then 1 for the next, .... In general it assigns the lowest available id number when a new data set is opened. When restoring Chimera sessions maps get their original model id numbers in Chimera versions 1.2354 and later, but are assigned new model id numbers in older versions. Since the data sets with lowest id number determines the transform of all newly opened models it is best to think of that data set as defining the reference frame. You can use the Model Panel / Transform As... button to correct the transform of a newly opened model. In the case you described you would need to transform map 3 as map 2 to fix the misalignment. This is probably easier than editing a session file. Tom preethi(a)bu.edu wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Chris I think had already discussed with you about how we transform > the PDB files that were originally fit into a brix map so that it now > fits into an MRC file in chimera. > > I am just repeating that here because I came across a problem when I > did this. > > I saved a session in chimera where I had rotated a MRC map say map 1 > w.r.t another MRC map 2 and then used the "fit map into map" feature > to align map 1 into map 2.So I saved the session(which would save the > transformation matrix) and then used the matrix to move certain PDB > files(using "transform as"). > > Now I did some zoning and volume erasing on map 2(the unrotated map) > and then saved the resulting map and then with another program outside > chimera subtracted the zoned out volume from the whole volume of map 2. > > SO when I read in the subtracted file into chimera it is now rotated > w.r.t the map 2 instead of being read with the original matrix that > was used for map2. I fixed this problem by going into chimera session > file and maunally changing the rotation and translation values for > this map to match that of map2. > > Also, if I opened chimera afresh and didnt restore the session where I > had done all the transformations but just opened map 2 and the > subtracted map then it reads them correctly without displacing one map > w.r.t the other. > > So I was just wondering why chimera automatically rotates the > subsequent MRC files that are read into a session where a > transformation was applied to some files only ? > > -Preethi > > > > > >

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rotating 2 models side-by-side
by jean-francois menetret 19 Apr '07

19 Apr '07

How can I make two models rotate side-by-side around their respective centers using chimera ? Jean-Fran�ois M�n�tret, PhD Boston University School of Medicine Physiology and Biophysics Department 700 Albany Street W315 Boston, MA 02118 Email: menetret(a)bu.edu Mailing address: 715 Albany Street

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Re: [Chimera-users] Proper display of oligosaccharide
by Greg Couch 18 Apr '07

18 Apr '07

To followup, I just tried the first Human milk saccarides example on the Sweet webside, 2'-Fucosyllactose, and the PDB file it generates doesn't display at all because of the non-standard data in columns 67-72. We have decided that we're being too strict in this case and will change chimera. In the iterim, if you're on a UNIX system (Linux, Mac OS X, etc.), you can truncate the lines with the following: awk '{if (/^ATOM/) print substr($0, 1, 67); else print $0}' < original > fixed with appropriate filename replacements for original and fixed. Greg Couch UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

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Proper display of oligosaccharide
by R. Andrew Byrd 18 Apr '07

18 Apr '07

We study protein:carbohydrate interactions, and we use chimera for protein displays. We have a model built for an oligosaccharide using the SWEET server at http://www.dkfz-heidelberg.de/spec/sweet2/doc/index.php The file is in pdb format, but it has neither amino acid residue names nor nucleotide names. Hence, the molecule is invisible in Chimera. How could we make this a recognizable molecule so that we can examine various visualizations and modeling efforts using Chimera? Thanks! Andy P.S. I can send the file if you want.

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using different scale for 2 models
by jean-francois menetret 17 Apr '07

17 Apr '07

Is it possible to vary the scale of one model in respect to another during a movie ? Jean-Fran�ois M�n�tret, PhD Boston University School of Medicine Physiology and Biophysics Department 700 Albany Street W315 Boston, MA 02118 Email: menetret(a)bu.edu Mailing address: 715 Albany Street

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Re: [Chimera-users] Rotate or rock commands for making movie?
by Elaine Meng 17 Apr '07

17 Apr '07

On Apr 17, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Walter wrote: > Hi Elaine, > > I would like to make a movie using CHIMERA, but can only figure out > how to > rotate the molecule by hand and it ends up looking sloppy. Are there > command line entries for smoothly rotating or rocking a molecule? > > Thanks for your help! > > Walt Hi Walter, Sounds like you are looking for the "roll" command. http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/1.2376/docs/UsersGuide/midas/roll.html This page lists commands especially useful for scripting movies, and links to a few example command files: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/1.2376/docs/UsersGuide/movies.html I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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Help with installing DMS and Chimera
by Ben Keshet 17 Apr '07

17 Apr '07

Hello everybody, I am a very inexperienced new user of Linux / cygwin and having problems in installing DMS and Chimera: 1. I am trying to install DMS but having problems with specifying correctly the pathway to the appropriate locations of the BINDIR and LIBDIR directories in the GNUmakefile. I am getting a message: "Cannot create directory. not such file or directory". I have tried it both on Linux enterprise 4 and on Windows using cygwin. My pathway includes spaces, i.e: /cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/User Name/Desktop/dms/bin Can anyone please tell me how exactly I should enter the pathway (I think the spaces cause the problem but not sure)? 2. I am having problems running the chimera-installer.exe. file of Chimera on Linux. When I double-clicked on it, it tells me that I cannot execute the file, so as suggested in the instructions (http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/1.2304/linux.html) I typed chmod +x 'filename' . When I checked the properties of the file after chmod, the box of 'execute' was checked (so I believe that I really changed the file's permissions). However, I am still getting the same error message when I double-click it. Does anyone know what am I doing wrong? Please consider my lack of experience in UNIX terminology if you try to answer one of my questions, Thanks a lot, Ben

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switching object on/off at the command line
by jean-francois menetret 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

Is it possible to switch a model on/off from the command line ? "objdisplay #model / ~objdisplay #model" sound promissing but it doesn't work ... Jean-Fran�ois M�n�tret, PhD Boston University School of Medicine Physiology and Biophysics Department 700 Albany Street W315 Boston, MA 02118 Email: menetret(a)bu.edu Mailing address: 715 Albany Street

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gromacs trajectory - only atoms, no bonds
by Moo Cow 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

I believe one has to have a very recent chimera in order to be able to read gromacs trajectories. I have "beta version 1 build 2376 2007/04/11 It is terrific that chimera can read the trajectories (without problem), but it then does not seem to join the atoms with bonds (it certainly does so for normal pdb files). My trajectory is displayed as a set of lonely unbonded atoms. I believe I checked for obvious mistakes on my part. I went to the tutorial, found the lines repr stick and so on. They gave no error message, but did not help. Many thanks for any advice. = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com

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Re: [Chimera-users] Ribosomal RNA depiction
by Tom Goddard 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Hi Dave, The RNA display using surfaces for each base could be done easily in a Python script, but not with Chimera commands since those are not available for multiscale. The result could be exported to POV-ray, or since Chimera now includes POV-ray the raytraced image can be directly produced in Chimera. I still think that a fat tubular ribbon with a single base atom shown as sphere gives a cleaner coarse view of RNA that indicates base orientations. Here's a ribbon and sphere image, also a ribbon with surface bases, also an image with bases with NDB colors. http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/goddard/temp/1s72-rna/1s72.html Tom David Konerding wrote: > > > On 4/12/07, *Thomas Goddard* <goddard(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > <mailto:goddard@cgl.ucsf.edu>> wrote: > > Hi Jean-Francois, > > Here are some tips for showing coarse RNA depictions. > > I too had lots of different colors for the ribosome rna bases using > the nucleic acid blobs tool but I changed them. Here was my > procedure. > > 1. open 1s72 > 2. select chain 0 (menu Select / Chain / 0) > 3. invert selection to select all proteins (menu Select / Invert) > 4. delete all the proteins (menu Actions / Atoms+Bonds / Delete > 5. open reschains.py > 6. open multiscale (menu Tools / Higher-order Structure / > Multiscale Models) > 7. select multiscale multimer type None and press Make models. > 8. press multiscale select All button, change resolution to 2, press > Resurface > 9. ctrl-click on backbone to select it > 10. invert selection (menu Select / Invert) > 11. click multiscale color button and set color of all bases > > > Tom- > > This looks nice. I don't have a lot of time to look into the > implementation right now, > but can steps 6-11 be done programmatically easily? > > Will the resulting images export to povray? > > Dave > >

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questions using chimera
by Xiaoyun Chen 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

I have two questions: 1) Is there a way for chimera to display the x-y-z axes? For example, for a pdb file, all the x/y/z coordinates are referenced to the molecular coordinate system. In the chimera screen, we can rotate the molecules. I want to know the orientation of the molecular coordinate system in the laboratory/chimera coordinate system, but cannot find a way for the x/y/z to show up on the screen. Many other protein visualization software (VMD, Molw, etc) have this feature. 2) by default, the z coordinate point out from the screen. often i would like to see the protein with its z direction in the plane of the screen and pointing up. tools-viewing controls-side view allow me to get what i want, but the image is only the protein projected onto the y-z plane. but it would be nice if there are two side view panels, one with an image in the y-z plane, one with an image in the x-z plane. Thank you! Xiaoyun Chen

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Ribosomal RNA depiction
by Thomas Goddard 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

Hi Jean-Francois, Here are some tips for showing coarse RNA depictions. I too had lots of different colors for the ribosome rna bases using the nucleic acid blobs tool but I changed them. Here was my procedure. 1. open 1s72 2. select chain 0 (menu Select / Chain / 0) 3. invert selection to select all proteins (menu Select / Invert) 4. delete all the proteins (menu Actions / Atoms+Bonds / Delete 5. open reschains.py 6. open multiscale (menu Tools / Higher-order Structure / Multiscale Models) 7. select multiscale multimer type None and press Make models. 8. press multiscale select All button, change resolution to 2, press Resurface 9. ctrl-click on backbone to select it 10. invert selection (menu Select / Invert) 11. click multiscale color button and set color of all bases http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/goddard/temp/1s72-rna.png Nicer simplified depictions can be made using ribbons with a single side chain atom as a sphere. The ribbon style editor (Tools / Depictions / Ribbon Style Editor) can fatten up the ribbon. Or for fancier bases shown as slabs use the Nucleotides tool (Tools / Depiction / Nucleotides), for example, http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/ImageGallery/entries/stmvrna/1a34.png Tom jean-francois menetret wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > the new reschains.py works well; but how did you specify the color > scheme in 1s72_rna.png using "multiscalemodel" option ? I am getting so > many different colours (see attached jpeg) > > Jean-François Ménétret, PhD > Boston University School of Medicine

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exporting ".pov" session
by Tom Goddard 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

Jean-Francois asks about what is exported to POV-ray. jean-francois menetret wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > I have a question about saving ".pov" session > > Items of the chimera window that are not shown at the time of the > export command are saved in the povray scene. > Is that normal ? How can I save one object at a time ? > > Jean-Francois

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Suggestion on biological assembly load
by Miguel Ortiz-Lombardia 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, I have small suggestion to make that I would find helpful if implemented in chimera: I think it would be great if the "biological assembly" could be fetched by ID from the File menu, just as it goes now for the pdb coordinates file from the RCSB site. Such assemblies are kept at the PQS database at the EBI (Cambridge). The links there follow this syntax: http://pqs.ebi.ac.uk/pqs-doc/macmol/<ID>.mmol where <ID> is obviously that of the PDB structure. Despite the extension, it is a plain PDB file. The CRYST1 record (for crystallographic structures) of such coordinates files has been modified to space group P1, since the crystallographic operations of the original structure don't hold. A potential problem if these files is that they don't seem to care about having duplicated atom numbers... These assemblies are most often correct and validated by experiments. However, you might want to add a caveat or, even better, an intermediate window with a link to the place where the PQS explains how that particular oligomer was generated and why it is considered biologically relevant: http://pqs.ebi.ac.uk/pqs-bin/macmol.pl?filename=<ID> Best regards, Miguel - -- Miguel Ortiz Lombardía Centro de Investigaciones Oncológicas C/ Melchor Fernández Almagro, 3 28029 Madrid, Spain Tel. +34 912 246 900 Fax. +34 912 246 976 e-mail: molatwork(a)yahoo.es - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Et ainsi ne pouvant faire que ce qui est juste fût fort, on a fait que ce qui est fort fût juste. Blaise Pascal, Pensées -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGGL+gF6oOrDvhbQIRAtQ2AKCi9oIpIJffYwshk1PgB2aiG4e9rgCghjzZ Uz0yTug1VXEHXNP2MG2HsmI= =EGzy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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exporting a mineral structure as VRML
by Janet Iwasa 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

Hello, I'm trying to use Chimera to export a mineral file ( http://virtual-museum.soils.wisc.edu/soil_smectite/soil_smectite.pdb) as a ball and stick VRML structure, but I'm running into a bit of difficulty since some of the bonds don't get made into sticks -- rather, they appear as purple dotted lines in the viewer. Any suggestions on how to get these bonds to be made into geometry? thanks! Janet Iwasa

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Extra Chimera marker attributes
by Tom Goddard 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

Hi Jeff, The Chimera path tracer markers accommodate extra attributes that are read and written to the XML marker files. There is no user interface to define new marker attributes in Chimera. A user interface to define new marker attributes does not seem hard. You could specify an attribute name and value in a command or dialog that assigns that attribute for all selected markers. For these new attributes to be of any use within Chimera more capabilities would be needed. For example some command or dialog that would allow you to select all markers with a certain attribute and value (e.g. is_filament = true). These kinds of capabilities already exist for attributes of atoms of molecules. For example, see the "setattr" and "defattr" commands, and "Render/Select by Attribute" tool, and atom specifiers that can test for specific attribute values. http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/setattr.html http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/defattr.html http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/render/render.html http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/atom_spec.html#descri… These will work with path tracer markers since markers are implemented as atoms. But there are problems. For example "defattr" uses names of atoms and the names of the path tracer atoms are not meaningful. Probably "setattr" is more useful and you can set an attribute for all currently selected atoms. The main weakness is that these atom attributes will not be saved in marker XML files. That is probably easy to fix but I would need to investigate how atom attributes are implemented. For markers the attributes are kept in a Python dictionary marker.extra_attributes. I do not know if atom attributes on markers will be saved in Chimera session files. Would have to test that. Tom Jeff wrote: > Tom, > > how hard would it be to add other attribute(s) to the markers > generated with the volume path tracer tool, aside from > marker-to-marker connectivity? Such as the ability to enumerate > individual filaments/objects within a single marker set, or a flag > that would tell whether a set/group is composed of filaments, or > surfaces, or just a point cloud? Either of of these (enumeration, or > object type) could be stored as an integer. > > -Jeff

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transparency factor
by jean-francois menetret 09 Apr '07

09 Apr '07

Is it possible to change the transparency factor of a volume at the command line ? Jean-Fran�ois M�n�tret, PhD Boston University School of Medicine Physiology and Biophysics Department 700 Albany Street W315 Boston, MA 02118 Email: menetret(a)bu.edu Mailing address: 715 Albany Street

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Fetch EMDB map by id
by Thomas Goddard 09 Apr '07

09 Apr '07

Hi Cathy, It is a good idea to allow fetching EMDB maps by id in the current File / Fetch by ID dialog. Their are two issues related to the large size of some maps that I would like to solve to make that work well. First I would like Chimera not to freeze while the fetching is done. That is what currently happens when fetching files. Instead it could show a progress dialog with a cancel button (like a web browser) and open the map when it finally arrives. Second I would like the map to be saved on your local machine so that you don't have to fetch the same large file more than once. Perhaps the way that would work is the the first time you fetch any file it asks you where to save this and future fetched files, and there will be an option not to save them. This would be remembered in your Chimera preferences file. When you subsequently used the fetch dialog it could first look in the directory where you save fetched files and use the copy there if available. Thanks for the suggestion. It is on my requested features list. Tom

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Re: [Chimera-users] hkcage command
by Thomas Goddard 09 Apr '07

09 Apr '07

Hi Padma, The code for the hkcage command had to be changed for Chimera version 1.2348 and newer because we switched from using the Numeric Python array package to its not completely compatible successor called NumPy. The new code for the hkcage command is on the experimental features web page http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/experimental/experimental.html Use that new code with Chimera 1.2363. I have not had time to try flattening an icosahedral map. I made a small step toward another request of yours, plotting radial density. I tried a Python 2-d plotting library called matplotlib that could be used for making radial density plots. It is a pretty big package so we have not decided whether to include it in Chimera. Tom

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GIF animations in Chimera
by Tom Goddard 09 Apr '07

09 Apr '07

Anyone interested in GIF animation output from Chimera? Their main appeal is that they play directly in most web browsers (like banner ads). It was easy to add to the Chimera movie recorder using ffmpeg which is included in the Chimera distribution. But ffmpeg uses a fixed color palette causing severe color banding and does not offer LZW compression resulting in large file sizes. That option looks unusable. I tried another approach using a separate program called "gifsicle". That gave decent coloring and compression but it would require adding gifsicle to the Chimera distribution. I am reluctant to do that (entails future maintenance) unless there is strong interest in making GIF animations. Tom

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[Fwd: Re: GIF animations in Chimera]
by Thomas Goddard 09 Apr '07

09 Apr '07

Miguel uses ImageMagick to make GIF animations from Chimera movie frames. Tom -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] GIF animations in Chimera Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:09:43 +0200 From: Miguel Ortiz-Lombardia To: Tom Goddard Hi Tom, I make animated GIFs with Chimera by simply saving the frames and using convert (from ImageMagick). I run an extremely simple script to do so and the results are up to my needs. Cheers, Miguel En/na Tom Goddard ha escrit: > Anyone interested in GIF animation output from Chimera? Their main > appeal is that they play directly in most web browsers (like banner ads). > > It was easy to add to the Chimera movie recorder using ffmpeg which is > included in the Chimera distribution. But ffmpeg uses a fixed color > palette causing severe color banding and does not offer LZW compression > resulting in large file sizes. That option looks unusable. I tried > another approach using a separate program called "gifsicle". That gave > decent coloring and compression but it would require adding gifsicle to > the Chimera distribution. I am reluctant to do that (entails future > maintenance) unless there is strong interest in making GIF animations. > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Chimera-users mailing list > Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users >

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Re: [Chimera-users] [chimera-dev] Building a multimer model
by Elaine Meng 08 Apr '07

08 Apr '07

Hi Benjamin, There is probably more than one way to do this in Chimera, but I'd open the protein of interest six times and match it to the six monomers of the related protein. Let's call your protein "A" and the similar protein "B" (for which a hexamer is available or can be easily constructed from matrices in the PDB file). Since you didn't mention the specifics, I didn't try the whole process outlined below (not having a good example to work with), but have used the tools in other contexts. This is kind of a brute force approach. Someone else may know of a more elegant way... Making the hexamer of B: If the PDB file doesn't already have a hexamer, it should have matrix information that allows it to be constructed. If BIOMT, use Multiscale Models (under Tools... Higher-Order Structure). Initially, this doesn't copy all the atoms but just makes surfaces for computational expediency. Since you will need copies of all the atoms for matching, using the Multiscale Models GUI: select "All" chains, change their style to anything other than surface (e.g. Show... Ribbons). You can see the model IDs of the copies of B in the Model Panel (under Favorites). If SMTRY, CRYST1, or MTRIX you could use the Unit Cell tool (under Tools... Higher-Order Structure) instead of Multiscale Models. Relevant manual pages: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/multiscale/ framemulti.html http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/unitcell/ unitcell.html Matching the 6 copies of A to the monomers of B: Options for matching are the "match" command or MatchMaker (GUI under Tools... Structure Comparison, also implemented as a command, "matchmaker"). If you wanted to name specific atoms to use for fitting, you'd use the "match" command. That can be tedious, and I'd try MatchMaker first - if there is some sequence similarity, even fairly low, it usually works quite well. By default, it iterates the fit so that only residues that match well in space are ultimately used to superimpose the proteins. That means the parts that are different should not interfere with a good fit of the parts that are the same. You can adjust several parameters, but for example if B is model 0, chains A-F and copies of A are models 1-6, these commands would use the matchmaker defaults: matchmaker #0:.a #1 pair ss matchmaker #0:.b #2 pair ss matchmaker #0:.c #3 pair ss matchmaker #0:.d #4 pair ss matchmaker #0:.e #5 pair ss matchmaker #0:.f #6 pair ss (pair ss just means to use the specified chains rather than trying all chain combinations between the models) You could specify other parameters with various keywords, for example the stringency to use when iterating the fit, how much weight secondary structure should have vs. the residue types in the sequence, etc. Relevant manual pages: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/matchmaker/ matchmaker.html http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/matchmaker.html http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/match.html I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:10 AM, Benjamin G.S. Horsman wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Benjamin Horsman and I am a student at the University of > Toronto. I have what should be a basic (possibly naive) question > regarding protein modelling that I was hoping you might be able to > answer for me or point my in the right direction. I have been > studying the structure of a bacterial protein complex, trying to > understand how it interacts with several known binding partners. The > complex is known to be a hexameric homomultimer. Recently the > structure of the subunit protein was solved. However, only the > monomeric form of the protein was determined, and the corresponding > PDB file does not contain coordinates for the multimer (i.e., no > BIOMT1, BIOMT2, BIOMT3 matrix values). I would like to assemble a > model of the hexameric complex for visual inspection and for some > docking studies. What would be the best way to accomplish this? > > There are several structures in the PDB of hexameric protein complexes > composed of subunits with very close structural alignment to my > protein of interest, differing in two regions of the protein that are > outside of the multimer binding regions. I believe that my protein > complex posses very similar or nearly identical geometry to these > known complexes. Is there any way to basically insert my protein into > this geometry? Can this be done in Chimera? If not, is there any > program or web server that allows this to be done? Or are you aware > of a better way to get this done? > > Thank you for your time. Any help is greatly appreciated. > > > Benjamin Horsman > _______________________________________________ > Chimera-dev mailing list > Chimera-dev(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-dev

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Re: [Chimera-users] viewing & comparison of multiple overlay structures
by Roberta King 04 Apr '07

04 Apr '07

Thank you Eric for your very detailed answers to my several questions. It will take me a few days to work through the suggestions. If I have any more troubles, I will contact you next week. Thanks very much, Roberta King ******************************** Roberta S. King, Ph.D. Department of Biomedical and Pharmaceutical Sciences College of Pharmacy University of Rhode Island http://www.uri.edu/pharmacy/faculty/king _____ From: Eric Pettersen [mailto:pett@cgl.ucsf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:57 PM To: Roberta King Cc: Chimera BB Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] viewing & comparison of multiple overlay structures On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Roberta King wrote: First, After overlaying multiple protein (pdb) structures with ligands using MultiAlign based on alignment, how does one easily view only the overlaid ligands? [Note: I have up to 36 structures overlaid, each with 0-2 ligands.] Hi Roberta, Using the command line (Favorites->Command Line), typing "~disp; show ligand" will hide all structures and then show only the ligands. If every structure had a ligand you would only need "show ligand" since the show command hides parts of structures that aren't to be shown, but if no part of a structure matches the show criteria, the structure isn't changed -- so you need the "~disp" also to guarantee that ligand-less structures get hidden. This is also doable with the menus by Select->Structure->ligand followed by Select->Invert Selection (or shift-right-arrow instead to invert the selection in all models) and then Actions->Atoms/Bonds->hide. From there, you will probably want to select the ligand clump by control dragging the mouse across the clump (there will be a green box outline as you drag the mouse) and then use Actions->Focus to zoom in on the clump and make it the center of rotation. Secondly, can chimera then calculate a solvent-accessible closed surface for the protein cavity surrounding each ligand? Alternatively, I could calculate the cavity first, then overlay based on alignment. The goal is to view the overlaid cavities for visual comparison. It depends. If the cavity is actually completely enclosed then Chimera won't depict it. If there is some channel to the binding pocket, then it should be depicted. I say "should" because the surfacing library we are currently using (MSMS) is known to have problems when there are narrow channels in a surface. We are working on a replacement library that should solve both these problems, but it's not ready yet. Providing that MSMS doesn't fail, your pockets should be depicted. It is also sometimes possible to work around the MSMS problem by adding hydrogens to a structure or by slightly changing VDW radii (with the vdwdefine command) -- but you have to do this before any surfaces fail because after a failure surfacing won't work again until you restart Chimera. You create a surface with Actions->Surface->show or the "surf" command. If with experience you know that surfacing certain models is problematic, you can restrict the surfacing to particular models by selecting them before using the menus or providing the model numbers as arguments to the surf command (e.g. "surf #0,3-7,9"). Thirdly, can chimera calculate electrostatic charge on amino acids surrounding a binding cavity and reflect that charge onto the closed cavity surface? Can this surface be included in overlay view? You can use the Add Charge tool (in the Structure Editing category) to add partial charges to all atoms. You can then use the Render By Attribute tool (Structure Analysis category) to color the surface and/or atoms based on the partial charges. For more precise electrostatics, you can use an external tool such as APBS or Delphi to generate an electrostatic grid, and open that in Chimera and then use the Electrostatic Surface Coloring tool (Surface/Binding Analysis category) to color the surface with the grid data. You can certainly show the surface(s) with the ligands overlaid. You would probably only want to show a few surfaces at most simultaneously for understandability (see next answer). Given the number of structures, I would much appreciate any advice on how to make this manageable. If Chimera cannot do the calculations, can it import multiple structures saved by another capable software, then overlay them using MultiAlign (including the surfaces)? Depending on the speed of your computer, its amount of memory and its graphics card, working with 36 structures and their surfaces at once may or may not be satisfactory (and unless you have a real high-end machine my guess would be not). You will want to use the Model Panel (under Favorites) to control which surfaces/structures are being shown -- particularly which surfaces since I imagine that looking at more than a few would be incredibly confusing. Another thing that will help is to delete parts of structures that you aren't interested in. One trick here is to use MultAlign Viewer to select one residue in each structure (create a region by mouse dragging that covers one column in the alignment -- those residues will be selected), then select the corresponding chains by clicking into the main window and hitting the up-arrow key, then right-arrow to invert the selection, and finally Actions->Atoms/Bonds->delete to delete all atoms that are not part of chains in the alignment. Hopefully your ligands will have the same chain ID as the chain in the alignment and therefore will not be deleted. You might want to look at your ligands after you've inverted the selection and make sure none are selected for the following deletion. If some are selected, deselect them with "~select ligand". As a quasi-extreme measure you could prune away parts of the structure more than a certain distance from the ligands. Select the ligand clump and use Select->Zone... to select residues further than a certain distance from the clump and then delete the selected residues. --Eric Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu

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render several models by attribute on an absolute scale
by E. Merkley 04 Apr '07

04 Apr '07

Hello Chimera users, I am using the "Define Attribute" and "Render by Attribute" features to color structures by number of native contacts observed during a molecular dynamics simulation. I would like to compare several simulations at once, applying a single color scale to several (~6) models at once. It seems that this can't be done using a separate attribute file for each model: The "render by attribute" dialog doesn't let you change the limits past the min and max of the data in the attribute file, but each simulation (and hence each attribute file) has a different range. Any suggestions? Thanks, Eric

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viewing & comparison of multiple overlay structures
by Roberta King 03 Apr '07

03 Apr '07

Hello, I am relatively new to Chimera (and the user group), but am using it to compare ligand binding pockets for multiple (36) structures of related proteins. My proteins overlay nicely based on alignment, but I am having difficulty with the comparisons of multiple structures at once. First, After overlaying multiple protein (pdb) structures with ligands using MultiAlign based on alignment, how does one easily view only the overlaid ligands? [Note: I have up to 36 structures overlaid, each with 0-2 ligands.] Secondly, can chimera then calculate a solvent-accessible closed surface for the protein cavity surrounding each ligand? Alternatively, I could calculate the cavity first, then overlay based on alignment. The goal is to view the overlaid cavities for visual comparison. Thirdly, can chimera calculate electrostatic charge on amino acids surrounding a binding cavity and reflect that charge onto the closed cavity surface? Can this surface be included in overlay view? Given the number of structures, I would much appreciate any advice on how to make this manageable. If Chimera cannot do the calculations, can it import multiple structures saved by another capable software, then overlay them using MultiAlign (including the surfaces)? I appreciate any help provided. Roberta ******************************** Roberta S. King, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Biomedical and Pharmaceutical Sciences College of Pharmacy University of Rhode Island

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error parsing ATOM record when coordinate long-ish
by Miguel Ortiz-Lombardia 02 Apr '07

02 Apr '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, I can't read a particular atom line that looks like: ATOM 4 CA GLY A 4 -32.686-186.362 -1.715 1.00 20.00 C I presume that the reason is that the y-coordinate forms a continuous string with the x-coordinate. However, this line complies with the PDB format; I quote from the RCBS site: 39 - 46 Real(8.3) y Orthogonal coordinates for Y in Angstroms I realize that this may be seldom a problem, but I think it should be tackled. In my case, this is a dummy atom to represent a dipole moment vector with quite a big magnitude. I have the same problem in the last and the previous snapshot versions of chimera (both in linux and MacOSX) Thank you in advance, Miguel - -- Miguel Ortiz Lombardía Centro de Investigaciones Oncológicas C/ Melchor Fernández Almagro, 3 28029 Madrid, Spain Tel. +34 912 246 900 Fax. +34 912 246 976 e-mail: molatwork(a)yahoo.es - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Et ainsi ne pouvant faire que ce qui est juste fût fort, on a fait que ce qui est fort fût juste. Blaise Pascal, Pensées -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGD2QuF6oOrDvhbQIRApSSAJ94MwNKKsPowzYE/k61g9Yen1PArwCfSnWJ gUXmMlHVsrRuLscR3IWg/tQ= =6/U1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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error parsing ATOM record when coordinate long-ish (II)
by Miguel Ortiz-Lombardia 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi again, I forgot to mention that I solved my particular problem by using a bild object to depict the vector. Just thought that the parsing of the ATOM record should be fixed. Cheers, Miguel - -- Miguel Ortiz Lombardía Centro de Investigaciones Oncológicas C/ Melchor Fernández Almagro, 3 28029 Madrid, Spain Tel. +34 912 246 900 Fax. +34 912 246 976 e-mail: molatwork(a)yahoo.es - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Et ainsi ne pouvant faire que ce qui est juste fût fort, on a fait que ce qui est fort fût juste. Blaise Pascal, Pensées -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGD2u7F6oOrDvhbQIRAvWJAJ9UiNDLaAv9yDbf6HPoNyhHVaGAmwCfd1SF ZHM9NIY3QX5mjFVqNdvvTQk= =Gbf0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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can 2D label font be bold?
by EJ Pone 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

Hi, I was wondering if there's a way to make the font of 2D labels bold. I can change the font of labels associated with atoms/residues etc thru Favorites > Preferences > Background > Label font > Bold, but I can't figure out how to do this for 2D labels. The reason I am interested is that the bold font looks really appealing in labels when I make movies, but the regular font for 2D labels looks a little bit weak. Thank you for any suggestions. EJ UC Irvine

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Re: [Chimera-users] per-model clipping plane
by Thomas Goddard 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

Hi Jean-Francois, There is not yet a command specifically to move per-model clip planes. But you can do it using the "savepos" and "reset" commands. These save and restore the positions of all models and the per-model clip plane positions (Chimera 1.2352 and newer). For example, you can save an initial position with command savepos p1 then move a per-model clip plane with the mouse to a new position and save that savepos p2 then to smoothly go from position p1 to p2 over 100 frames use reset p1 reset p2 100 The named positions are saved in Chimera session files. Saving of per-model clip positions when you use savepos was added very recently (March 1, 2007) so you need Chimera snapshot version 1.2352 or newer. Formerly just the model orientations were remembered. Tom jean-francois menetret wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > is it possible to move the per-model clipping plane using a > movie-related command ? > > Jean-Francois > >

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need help to run chimera 1.2304-linux.exe
by 김소연 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

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saving image as stereo pair
by Boaz Shaanan 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Hi, It seems to me as if the stereo pair produced when I select 'stereo pair' in save image is crossed-eye stereo (not wall-eye), or is my brain fooling me ? I certainly see a left-handed alpha helix, residues in the front going to the back and D-amino acids when I use my stereoviewer. Please advise. Thanks. Boaz Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D. Associate Professor Dept. of Life Sciences Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Beer-Sheva 84105 Israel Phone: 972-8-647-2220 ; Fax: 646-1710 Skype: boaz.shaanan‎

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Counting atoms within density map contour
by Tom Goddard 23 Mar '07

23 Mar '07

Hi Gary, You asked yesterday whether it is possible to count the atoms lying outside the contour surface of a EM map after fitting. This can be done although it currently requires a few steps. Here's how. 1) fit the atomic model into the map as desired. 2) Use menu entry Tools / Volume Data / Values at Atom Positions, choose the molecule and map and press the Histogram button. This shows a histogram of the map values interpolated at the atom positions. 3) Press the "Select" tab on the Render / Select by Attribute dialog and choose Attribute "value_mymap.xxx", move the rightmost green bar on the histogram to match the contour level, then press the Apply button. This procedure selects the atoms at lower density levels than the map contour level and you can see the number of atoms selected in the lower right corner of the main graphics window. You can press the up arrow key a few times to select all atoms in the molecule to see the total number of atoms. I show a picture below fitting 1i84.pdb into myosin.map where 2727 of 16070 atoms lie outside the contour surface. I colored the selected atoms outside the contour blue in the picture. Tom

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osx headers
by Randy Heiland 23 Mar '07

23 Mar '07

Out of curiosity, what is different in the ppc and intel headers for 1.2349? I see that both are available on the Source download page. -Randy

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installing chimera over an older chimera install?
by Sabuj Pattanayek 23 Mar '07

23 Mar '07

Hi, On *nix is it safe to install a newer version of chimera over a previous installation? Will this break something in the newer installation? The reason why I ask is the trouble of maintaining externally installed plugins. We could make a wrapper for the .exe unzipsfx install and re-build symlinks to an external directory of chimera plugins in the share directory, but this seems like too much trouble especially if just installing over an old installation should just "work". Thanks, Sabuj

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Two transparent models and memory leaks
by Thomas Goddard 22 Mar '07

22 Mar '07

C Akey report problems with display of two transparent models and excessive memory use and crashes when saving images. ------------ Tom- Sorry to bother you but I am having serious problems with Chimera while trying to make figures for a paper. After you fixed the sessions number problem, so that they are retained in the same numbered slots from one session to the next, I found that my most recent sessions made with this version, would not work properly when I wanted two different displayed volumes to have transparencies different from 1. This worked in earlier versions and then I started over with a new session, imported everything and it is working again. Maddening. If you have a ribbon within a volume and try to vary the transparency, it almost disappears instead of having a gradual blending effect (see attached figures A,D panels). I am using a PC under XP with 1Gb mem and 512 GB graphics card. I have checked and memory is not the problem. {However, if you quit a session then open another session, Chimera does not give the memory back to the system, so your memory use soars, YOU MUST QUIT BEFORE OPENING A NEW SESSION.} Here is another killer bug: When you record an image full screen, about half the time you get a fatal error in pythonw.exe, it wants you to contact Microsoft and then Chimera crashes losing everything. The error from chimera reads "failed 1073741891" but there is no chance to report the bug. So after battling to get to the point of recording images, the program quits on me about half the time. By the way, when Chimera is shown full screen on our new Linux machine, it doesn't clearly show all the icons on the left hand side of the screen, they are partly occluded. sorry about the bugs but its starting to get to me. cheers C Akey

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New Chimera molecular surface code
by Tom Goddard 22 Mar '07

22 Mar '07

Miguel Ortiz Lombardia asks when Chimera will be able to compute solvent accessible surfaces. -------- Original Message -------- Hi Tom, I would like to know if there has been any advancement in changing the surfaces code. I know you had plans to write your own so that chimera would not rely on msms, and I am very interested in this development because it would allow the use of solvent accessible surfaces apart from molecular surfaces. The former are more appropriate, among other questions, to map electrostatic potential maps (less local effects). I would be happy to test around, if you need testers. Unfortunately my programming skills are quite minimal. But I'll be patient anyway ;-) Thanks to all of you for this great tool! Cheers, Miguel

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MODELLER interface
by Elaine Meng 21 Mar '07

21 Mar '07

Hi Stefano, No arguments here - we have talked about it and I've expressed a need for it for years. The problem is that there are many other features that seem to be at least as high priority, and limited time and manpower available. To name only a few of the things in progress: energy minimization, morphing, interaction with dendrograms (along with sequence alignments), more display preferences, more animation commands, and producing ray-traced images. There is a "model loops" tool that interfaces with MODELLER, but it only produces alternate conformations of loops that are already in a structure. That was implemented because people in the MODELLER (Sali) group here wanted it the most, and it needs work - e.g. currently there is no convenient way to merge a chosen loop conformation back into the structure. Nevertheless, this is another important item and I will share your message to help ensure it does not fall off "the list." I imagine any validation tools would be farther down on the list than the interface for comparative modeling, although we do already have a tool that finds clashes and close contacts. Elaine On Mar 20, 2007, at 10:05 PM, Stefano Ciurli wrote: > Elaine, > > following our discussion on Chimera and DelPhi, and these recent > mails on modeling, don't you think that it would be nice to > interface Chimera to Modeller, as the latter one is one of the most > used software to do homolog modeling? The interface could be a sort > of way to funnel into Modeller the alignment and the structure of > the template(s) for Modeller to use and then read back into Chimera > the results of the modeling, with tools to establish the quality of > the model itself (I am thinking of Prosa, Procheck or WHATIF) > > Regards > Stefano > -- > ____________________________________________ > > Stefano Ciurli > Professor of Chemistry > Laboratory of Bioinorganic Chemistry > Department of Agro-Environmental Science and Technology > University of Bologna > Viale Giuseppe Fanin, 40 > I-40127 Bologna > Italy > Phone: +39-051-209-6204 > Fax: +39-051-209-6203 > > http://www.cerm.unifi.it > http://www.isa.unibo.it/ISA/ > > "Fatti non foste a viver come bruti, > ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza" > Dante Alighieri - Inferno - Canto XXVI > > "Ihr seid bestimmt, nicht Tieren gleich zu leben, > Nein, Tugend zu erringen und Erkenntnis" > "Ye were not form'd to live the life of brutes, > But virtue to pursue and knowledge high"

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sequence & structure in Chimera
by Elaine Meng 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Hi Abhijit, If I understand correctly, there were two questions here: > One more question is it possible to take a protein sequence of a gene, > part of which is cloned, crystallized and 3d structure is available, > and superimposes the protein sequence with the reported crystal > structure? Or how can you model a protein sequence to generate a > putative structure, for the part that hasn’t been crystallized so far, In Chimera, (1) can you associate a structure with a sequence that is read in from a separate file? short answer: yes, if that sequence is in an alignment (2) can you do comparative modeling (create a 3D model of an unknown structure starting from a known structure that is thought to be similar)? short answer: no, except simplistic replacement of a few side chains with the command "swapaa" I'll start with #2: Chimera does not do comparative modeling or threading different sequences on a known structure. Besides the approaches mentioned by Eric (getting a model from MODBASE or using the MODELLER program to make the model yourself), listed below are several web servers that might be useful. I believe the first two replace side chains while the others perform more complete modeling (can handle insertions/deletions and adjust the backbone). It's been a while since I used any of these, however, so you should read any author-provided information. - SCWRL server http://www1.jcsg.org/scripts/prod/scwrl/serve.cgi - Maxsprout server http://www.ebi.ac.uk/maxsprout/ - ModWeb server (requires registration) http://alto.compbio.ucsf.edu/modweb-cgi/main.cgi - RAPPER server (registration encouraged) http://mordred.bioc.cam.ac.uk/~rapper/ - PSIPRED server http://bioinf.cs.ucl.ac.uk/psipred/ - Swiss-Model server http://swissmodel.expasy.org//SWISS-MODEL.html Now question #1. You already saw the Sequence tool, which shows the exact sequence of any peptide or nucleotide chains in structures open in Chimera. However, you might want to read in a sequence from a separate file and associate it with the structure to allow the same kinds of crosstalk (a selection on the sequence selects the structure and vice versa). You can do that, if you have an alignment of that sequence with one or more additional sequences. These other sequences don't need to have any structures, and your sequence of interest does not have to match the structure exactly to associate with it (often there are point mutations, or the sequence is for a close homolog of the structure, or the structure is missing a few residues here and there, or is only one domain from the whole sequence). Here's a list of the sequence alignment formats that can be read (you can just use File... Open in the Chimera menu): http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/filetypes.html#alignment and the "Sequence-Structure Association" section in this page may be useful: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/ multalignviewer/framemav.html I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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Motion callback functions
by Tom Goddard 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Hi Karin, I've attached some example Python code that monitors the motion of models in Chimera. It registers an OpenState trigger. For your case you might update the color on your plane when the plane moves but the map does not move. Let me know if more details would be helpful. Tom Karin Gross wrote: > Hi Tom, > > i have a question concerning rotation and translation of surface models in > chimera. > I want the user to be able to rotate/translate my plane via mouse, but run the > computation of coloring and do the coloring during the movement. > Is it possible to register a python callback for this, and get the > rotation/translation information? > > Thanks > -Karin > > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Example code that monitors the motion of models in Chimera. # # Each Chimera Model object has an openState attribute whose value is an # OpenState object. The OpenState object has attributes xform, active, # cofr (center of rotation), bbox (bounding box). These are defined in the # Chimera C++ header file OpenModels.h. (Chimera C++ headers can be downloaded # from http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/sourcecode.html) # # This example code monitors changes in the OpenState objects for all models. # class Monitor_Motion: def __init__(self): from chimera import triggers h = triggers.addHandler('OpenState', self.xform_changed_cb, None) self.handler = h def xform_changed_cb(self, trigger_name, call_data, trigger_data): if 'transformation change' in trigger_data.reasons: # The transformation matrix of some model has changed. from chimera import openModels mlist = openModels.list() # All open models. for open_state in trigger_data.modified: models = filter(lambda m: m.openState == open_state, mlist) if models: names = ', '.join(map(lambda m: m.name, models)) print names, 'moved' print open_state.xform def stop_monitoring(self): from chimera import triggers triggers.deleteHandler('OpenState', self.handler) self.handler = None # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # mm = Monitor_Motion()

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Electrostatic coloring on slice surface
by Tom Goddard 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Hi Boaz, When you color a surface (e.g. GRASP surface) using electrostatic potential with the Surface Color tool it does show the correct colors on the slice if you are clipping the surface. This is described in the guide to volume data display http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/tutorials/volumetour/volumetour.html#colorc… The colors are only assigned at the triangle vertices of the slice surface which can be seen by switching to "mesh" display in the Surface Capping dialog. To get finer resolution coloring increase the "Mesh subdivision factor" in the Surface Capping dialog from 1.0 to say 3.0 (giving ~9x more vertices). Press the Enter key after changing the number to see the effect. Tom Boaz Shaanan wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Thanks a lot. While we're at it I have another question related to > surface rendering. In the 'colour surface' window there is button that > says 'colour sliced ...'. Does that mean that if I covered a molecule > with surface and mapped a Delphi calculated potential map onto it, if > I then slice into the molecule, the surface covering this slice will > show the potential correctly ? That would be very nice but I'm just > wondering whether I can believe what I see. Grasp used to do this > nicely but I'd like to use chimera (and grasp is dead anyway as far as > I'm concerned - I don't have SGI's). I'd appreciate your input. > > Cheers, > > Boaz

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Re: [Chimera-users] pdb-l: structure based sequence alignment
by Eric Pettersen 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Hi Sona, Before getting to your question, just wanted to mention that the post you quoted isn't accurate anymore: Chimera can incorporate structureless sequences into alignments as of the last production release (October). Once you have a structure-based alignment (or any alignment really) showing in Multalign Viewer you can add sequences to it using MAV's Edit menu. I don't know of any non-madness-inducing way in Chimera of superimposing 50+ ligands without writing a script. There are two kinds of scripts you could write. One is a text file containing the exact same commands you would type at Chimera's command line. You would give the file a suffix of .com or .cmd and open it using File...Open or the "open" command. The other type is a Python script, also a text file, which requires a little bit of learning but offers the ability to use loops -- quite helpful in this scenario. A Python script file would have a .py suffix and can be opened the same way as a Chimera-command script. For purposes of the example scripts below, I'm going to assume the ligands have the same residue name (FMN in the example), that there is only one occurrence of the residue per file, and the ligand atoms have the same name. PDBs you want to use that don't match these criteria you could do by hand -- hopefully there would just be a few. On the assumption that you have a mix of NMR and crystallographic structures, the script will delete hydrogens, yielding a heavy-atom only RMSD (probably a good idea anyway if there are any methyl groups). Lastly, I'll assume you have a reference structure to match onto already open in model #0 before you run the script. The Chimera-command script would be something like this: open 1jhf; del H; match #1:FMN #0:FMN; close 1 open 1kef; del H; match #1:FMN #0:FMN; close 1 open 1rd9; del H; match #1:FMN #0:FMN; close 1 etc. For the Python version I'll make one further assumption: that you have the PDB IDs listed in a file named "pdbs". The Python version would be: from chimera import runCommand # use runCommand to execute Chimera commands f = open("pdbs", "r") # open file containing PDB IDs for line in f: # read through file pdbID = line.strip() # remove trailing newline from text runCommand("open " + pdbID + "; del H; match #1:FMN #0:FMN; close 1") f.close() # close file The indentation for the lines that follow the "for" statement indicate that they are to be executed as the loop. The lack of indentation for the f.close() indicates that it is not part of the loop -- it is executed once the loop finishes. --Eric On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Sona Vasudevan wrote: > Hello Eric, > > Have a few questions about Chimera. I would like to superimpose > just the ligands bound to complexes. In this case I would like to > basically get a rms deviation of 50+ ligand co-ordinates (same > ligand from different PDBs). I now Chimera's match could do it but > is there a way a easier way to superimpose ligands? > > Thanks! > > Sona > > > On 2/6/06, Eric Pettersen <pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: > Hi Sona, > UCSF Chimera (www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera) can certainly > construct a > structure-based sequence alignment, but can't incorporate > structureless > sequences into the alignment so maybe it's not what you're looking > for. > But just in case, here are the URLs for Chimera's Match->Align tool > (which creates the alignment) and MatchMaker tool (which superimposes > structures): > > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/matchalign/ > matchalign.html > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/matchmaker/ > matchmaker.html > > --Eric > > Eric Pettersen > UCSF Computer Graphics Lab >

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Problems using Collaboratory
by slaton 14 Mar '07

14 Mar '07

Hi, Having some problems using Collaboratory mode. Some scenarios: 1. When attempting to host a collaboratory session between linux hosts on the same subnet, with another linux box running the hub, no one can join the session. I get the error connecting that suggests checking your firewall settings. None of the machines have iptables running, and since they are on the same subnet that should rule out border router/firewall issues. 2. If using a Mac OS X machine (PPC) to run the hub -- on a different subnet than the linux boxes, but within the same building -- the first linux box can join the hub. A second linux box on the same subnet fails with the same error as in 1) above. This can be replicated every time. Neither linux boxes are running iptables or any other firewall, they have nearly identical hardware and are running the same distro/version/patchlevel. 3. If the MOSX box (where the hub is running) now joins the session with the 1st linux box, they can chat with each other and see either others' pointers. However if the connected user on the linux box opens a model (for my tests, i used a SPIDER volume), the connected user on the MOSX box cannot see it. An error pops up on the linux box reading: "Error processing trigger: "Camera": AttributeError: '_chimera.Camera' object has no attribute 'viewDistance' Rotating/moving the model on the linux box triggers this error on the MOSX box: "Error processing trigger: "collaboratory": ValueError: unopen model Additionally, while sending chat messages from the MOSX box works, it also throws errors like this: "Error processing trigger; "Chat command": TclError: invalid command name ".38462968.47381600.47395144.47395584....[etc] 4. If i reverse scenarios here -- hosting on Linux and joining from MOSX (and the host machine) -- the results are nearly the same. Each user can chat and see the other's cursor, but as soon as one user loads a model it starts throwing errors like the ones mentioned above. After which, chat mode no longer works. So.....any known problems with collaboratory in this release, or any tips on troubleshooting these problems? All tests were performed using Chimera snapshot release 1.2352, i386 version (linux) and X11 version (MOSX). thanks slaton Slaton Lipscomb Nogales Lab, Howard Hughes Medical Institute http://cryoem.berkeley.edu

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Re: [Chimera-users] Chimera - Question
by Elaine Meng 13 Mar '07

13 Mar '07

Hi Peter, No problem - the features are documented, but there is no tutorial that includes adding a sequence. I tested the following with the most recent snapshot (1.2352, March 2007). (1) Open your sequence alignment in Chimera. I just found the following problem when testing the procedure: *if you created the sequence alignment with Match->Align, it is necessary to save it to a file (File... Save As from the Multalign Viewer menu, pick any format), quit from the alignment, and reopen it in Chimera (File... Open in the main menu) before you can add a sequence to it* ...this will be fixed in the next release, however. If the sequence alignment was already read from a file, no extra step is needed. (2) Choose "Edit... Add Sequence" from the Multalign Viewer menu and paste the new sequence in the dialog. Enter a name for the sequence, adjust the alignment parameters as desired, and click OK. Look at the alignment and decide whether it seems reasonable. If not, you can use "Edit... Delete Sequences/Gaps" to remove the sequence and try realigning it with "Edit... Add Sequence" and different alignment parameters. For example, if the sequence is fairly distantly related to the others, you may have better luck with blosum-30 than blosum-62. Editing is described here http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/ multalignviewer/multalignviewer.html#editing (3) If they are not already open, open one or more structures that associate with the sequence alignment. (4) Once your new sequence is aligned with the others to your satisfaction, you can draw out boxes on the alignment using the mouse. If the boxes enclose parts of the sequence(s) that are associated with the structure(s), the corresponding parts of the structures will be highlighted (selected). Or, you can go the other direction by selecting parts of the structures and seeing where they are in the alignment. These forms of crosstalk are described here http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/ multalignviewer/multalignviewer.html#crosstalk and in the "Sequences and Structures" tutorial. You can also show the secondary structure assignments on the alignment with "Structure... Secondary Structure... show actual" (for those sequences associated with structures) or "show predicted" (for sequences without structures) Alternatively, if you already have a sequence alignment that includes your sequence of interest plus others that will associate with structures, you can just open them all in Chimera and skip straight to #4. Sometimes I get alignments from databases such as Pfam. I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html On Mar 13, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Peter Murphy wrote: > Thanks for the quick response Dr. Meng, > > Thanks to your helpful tutorial, I now know how to align two > structures and get an alignment. But I am interested in the ability > to add a sequence (that > doesn't have a structure) to the alignment and see if/where parts > of it map onto the structures. Is there such a tutorial on your > website, or might you be able to give me a quick rundown :P > > Thanks again > > -- > Peter Murphy, B.Sc., M.Sc Candidate > Atlantic Research Center > Dalhousie University > Halifax, Nova Scotia, > Canada

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Chimera - Question
by Peter Murphy 13 Mar '07

13 Mar '07

Hi, I have a quick question about your program. Normally (on a day to day basis) I use fairly basic features of chimera (coloring, etc) to produce pictures of crystal structure images (for presentations, papers, etc). Rarely do I have to use the more advanced features of chimera (Solvent accessible surface area, distance calculations, etc) so I don`t have a good idea of the limits of your program. Thus, I figured I would check to see if what I wanted to do is out of the scope of your program. I have a few crystal structures which I want to align (I now understand how to do this based on your online tutorial (thanks)), but what I really want to do is feed a third structure into the consensus structure (or if there is no consensus structure, just feed a known sequence into a known crystal structure to see if the sequence could form that structure. Is there anyway to do this in your program.. Thanks for any help you may be able to provide, -- Peter Murphy, B.Sc., M.Sc Candidate Atlantic Research Center Dalhousie University Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Rotated density maps
by Thomas Goddard 13 Mar '07

13 Mar '07

I added two Chimera commands "newmap" and "addmaps" that allow extracting a rectangular piece of a density map with axes that are rotated relative to the original map. http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/experimental/resample_map/resamplemap.html This is useful for extracting substructures from electron microscope tomograms. It is not part of current Chimera distributions but can be obtained as a separate plug-in from the experimental features web page: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/experimental/experimental.html It is called "Resample Map Commands" on that web page because data values from the original map are interpolated (i.e. resampled) on the new rotated grid. Tom

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~longbond
by Boaz Shaanan 12 Mar '07

12 Mar '07

Hi, I'm trying to use ~longbond to hide a long bond in the Calpha trace of a model (270-280 in ijsc_a) but the bond refuses to disappear. The bond is not there when atoms are shown in full and only shows up in the Calpha trace (atoms->show chain trace). I type ~longbond in the command line after the trace is on and nothing happens. What am I missing ? I'd appreciate your advice. Thanks, Boaz Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D. Associate Professor Dept. of Life Sciences Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Beer-Sheva 84105 Israel Phone: 972-8-647-2220 ; Fax: 646-1710 Skype: boaz.shaanan‎

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Re: [Chimera-users] independent movement
by Elaine Meng 12 Mar '07

12 Mar '07

Hi Michel, namesel is a newer command added after version 1.2304 - get the recent snapshot to use this command: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/download.html#snapshots The release notes for this snapshot list what has changed since 1.2304: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/1.2349/docs/relnotes/snapshot.html The links I included in previous messages were to "development" documentation, which will always be newer than what you have (although mostly the same if you have a recent version). The documentation included with a download is more synchronized - you can access and search your local copy of the documentation using the Chimera Help menu. ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html On Mar 11, 2007, at 3:32 PM, michel dedeo wrote: > Elaine and Tom > > Thanks for your help! Savepos and reset will let me do exactly what I > want. It is good to know there are two selection commands as well. > > I have one more question. I can name a selection using the menu but > when I try to use the 'namesel' command I get an error: Unrecognized > command: "namesel". Does this command still exist? > > I am using production version 1 build 2304 2006/10/23 on Windows. > > Thanks again, > > Michel Dedeo > > > On 3/9/07, Tom Goddard <goddard(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: >> Hi Michel, >> >> I think Elaine's suggestion about using the savepos and reset >> commands >> is the best approach. >> >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/savepos.html >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/reset.html >> >> >> The "movemodel" command envisioned in a previous mailing list entry >> >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/pipermail/chimera-users/2006-June/000843.html >> >> does not exist. I think I would make two simpler commands if some new >> ones were needed that look like: >> >> spin #1 0.3 0.4 0.5 90 20 >> >> (spin model number 1 about axis (.3,.4,.5) by 90 degrees over 20 >> frames) >> >> slide #1 5.2 8.2 3.1 20 >> >> (translate model number 1 by (5.2,8.2,3.1) over 20 frames). These >> would >> work in screen coordinates by default. But using local coordinates of >> the model or local coordinates of a second model would also be handy: >> >> spin #1 0.3 0.4 0.5 90 20 local #2 >> >> (spin about axis specified in local coordinate system of model #2) >> >> slide #1 5.2 8.2 3.1 20 local >> >> (translate with vector specified in local coordinates of the model). >> >> These local coordinate versions allow the motion to stay the same >> if you >> rotate the whole scene. Neither the spin nor slide command currently >> exists. There are move, turn, and roll commands in Chimera that have >> more limited capabilities, only allowing rotation axes and shifts >> to be >> x, y, or z screen axes. >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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Re: [Chimera-users] surface display
by Tom Goddard 10 Mar '07

10 Mar '07

Hi Markus, This is a problem with the surface calculation library MSMS used by Chimera. It crashes on specific PDB files. It is described more in this post: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/pipermail/chimera-users/2006-February/000685.html which suggest you use Chimera command vdwdefine * * +0.01 to make the atom radii 1/100 Angstrom bigger which may circumvent the crash. Trying to surfce fewer residues generally does not fix the problem because Chimera still computes the whole surface and then just limits the display to the few residues you selected. Here is the Chimera bug report about this problem. http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/cgi-bin/gnatsweb.pl?cmd=view&pr=1295&database=chime… Tom Markus Voehler wrote: > Tom > > I have installed the new version and the same thing happens. Here is > what I do: > 1) open pdb (3003 atoms) > 2) display round ribbon, hide atoms/bonds > 3) action --> surface --> show also tried it on a smaller selection of > a few residues. > > I have submitted the chimera error report and have attached the crash > report. Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Markus > > > On Mar 9, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Tom Goddard wrote: > >> Hi Markus, >> >> Is your problem with molecular surfaces (menu Actions / Surface / >> show) or contour surfaces of volume data? >> >> In either case you should first try a newer version of Chimera. I >> recommend trying the snapshot 1.2352 released this week (scroll down >> the Chimera download page a little). >> >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/download.html >> >> Tom >> >

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viewing VRML files in chimera
by preethi＠bu.edu 10 Mar '07

10 Mar '07

Hi, I used an SGI compiled "ivtovrml" program to convert a .iv file to .wrl file in order to view it in Chimera. I got an error, not in VRML97 formatError near line 1: and this was repeated a few times. Is there any other program that is available to convert it to the right VRML format readable by Chimera? I did a little searching on the web and coudnt find one. Thanks in advance, Preethi.

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surface display
by Markus Voehler 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

I have a PowerBook G4 and am not able to display surfaces on that laptop (it works fine on the SGI). I am running OSX 10.4.8 and chimera 1.2303 (1006/10/23). Does anybody have similar issues or know what to do about it. Other functionalities of chimera work just fine. Markus

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independent movement
by michel dedeo 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

I would like to use Chimera to make a movie in which multiple models or chains move in different directions simultaneously. The movie illustrating myosin thick filament analysis (http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/animations/movies/myomovie.mov) is a good example. I am not sure if this post (http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/pipermail/chimera-users/2006-June/000843.html) on interpolated model motion is relevant, or if the 'movemodel' command imagined there actually exists in some patch that I do not have. If that proves too difficult (I have little programming experience) I would like to be able to hold one model or chain stationary while moving another. I can do this by using the model panel to make one model inactive while entering a movement command to move the active models, but I have not found a way to do this through the command line. Is there a command to activate/inactivate models, or another way to move some models/chains and not others? Thank you for your help. Michel Dedeo Francis Lab Department of Chemistry UC Berkeley

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Stereo using X11 versions
by Eduardo Sanz Garcia 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

I have had problems using the stereo capabilites of chimera using stereo glasses. I have two computers: * Mac G5 Quadro PPC + Nvidia FX 4000 with the latest drivers + Chimera X11 version 1.2304 * Fedora Enterprise 2 x Intel Xeon + Nvidia FX 3500 with the latest drivers + Chimera Linux 32-bit version 1.2349 The stereo hardware is correctly installed. I have other applications (X11 pymol) that display stereo nicely in both systems. On the mac, I have been able to display things in stereo but it crashes or displays weird stuff on the screen. On linux, I haven't been able to display things in stereo. Any suggestions? Thank you very much.

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savepos/reset problem with sessions and volumes
by Thomas Goddard 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

Hi Christopher, The problem is that Chimera does not preserve the model numbers of volume data sets when it restores a session. Restoring a saved position then moves the wrong models because it remembers the position associated with each model number. There are two Chimera bugs here. First the volume data restored from a session file should use the original model numbers. And secondly, even if the model numbers were to change, the savepos information should be updated to use the new model numbers. These problems exist in all versions of Chimera on all platforms. I'll work on fixing them and send you email if I get it working. I think I can fix the code so that your existing session files will restore correctly using the original model numbers. Tom Christopher Akey wrote: > Tom- > > I am using a build of Chimera from 11/08/2006 for windows. This version > is useful for us because the map to map correlation (fit map) and the > transform as both work nicely. > > However, I tried the savepos/reset within a session today. Set up a new > session that I would not be changing or if so, only by adding additional > files to the end of the listed files. The problem is that when I close > the session and recall it, then the reset commands invariably leave one > or two volumes out of alignment. The problem is that every time I open > the same session, the model list changes order, ie it does not seem to > be completely set in stone. If only one of your aligned images changes > order (actually 2 then), then all your previous commands are for naught, > unless you go ahead and realign them in the current session. Problem is > you don't realize they are misaligned until after you use reset and must > immediately undo move, or you are screwed. Also, you might have a > mixture of brix and mrc files, such that you might not always be able to > recover the right alignment for a file. > > Is this a windows version feature? I have noticed my files not behaving > properly before, but now have pinned it down. > > Do the models and their assoc numbers absolutely remain the same for ALL > MODELS in the linux version or in a newer windows version? > > The savepos/reset is great, you can theoretically recall you previous > figure positions and reshoot them after tweaking a color for a model or > whatever. > > cheers C Akey >

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Re: [Chimera-users] Red-cyan stereo
by Greg Couch 08 Mar '07

08 Mar '07

On March 7, Tom Goddard wrote: > I do not think Chimera produces red-green stereo, only red-cyan. Greg > Couch in our lab would know. I've sent your question to the Chimera > users groups so he can give a more definitive answer. Yes, for red-cyan stereo, chimera puts the left eye in the red channel and the right eye in the blue and green channels. This allows for stereo viewing of color images with red-cyan glasses, but there are many problems, such as red objects not having any stereo cues because they are in only one eye. You will get the best stereo effect with gray-scale images (shades of gray) and if you do use color, avoid saturated colors. You can see the red, green, and blue components of a color with chimera's Color Editor tool. The color name field can be set to any of the color names in the Actions Color menu. Other glasses, red-blue and red-green, will work well with gray-scale images, but will have greater problems with ghosting (ie., part of one eye's image appearing in the other's) in color images. Ghosting will always be present to some degree unless the glasses are perfectly matched to the frequencies of light emitted by the display. So the best advice is to color your data various shades of gray. Hope this helps, Greg Couch UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

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Re: [Chimera-users] copy cmd in nogui script
by Eric Pettersen 08 Mar '07

08 Mar '07

On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Randy Heiland wrote: > Eric, > I just got around to trying this and am told: > “You need to accept the POV-Ray end-user license in GUI mode first” > > (using the 1.2352 snapshot). > Suggestions? > -Randy Hi Randy, You are required to accept the POV-Ray license. However, once you have accepted it, Chimera will remember that and won't keep asking you. So if you start up Chimera normally and save any kind of POV-Ray image and accept the license, you will then be able to run your script in nogui mode on the same machine without the licensing request halting the script. If this is still a problem for the way you want to use the script, let me know. We still intend to make it possible to save non-ray traced images in nogui mode, but prioritizing that would depend on whether POV-Ray images are going to work as a stopgap measure or not. --Eric > From: Eric Pettersen [mailto:pett@cgl.ucsf.edu] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:35 PM > To: Chimera BB > Cc: Randy Heiland > Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] copy cmd in nogui script > > With POVray in the latest snapshot, you can now use the "raytrace" > keyword of the copy command to get a ray-traced image in nogui mode. > > --Eric > > > On Feb 9, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Elaine Meng wrote: > > > Hi Randy, > It is my understanding that the GUI is used to render the image, thus > it is not possible to save images when in nogui mode. (Others, please > correct me if I've gotten this wrong!) > Best, > Elaine > > On Feb 9, 2007, at 7:46 AM, Randy Heiland wrote: > >> What cmd should I invoke in a --nogui script to copy the rendered >> image >> to a file? >> >>> From the interactive viewer cmd line, I can successfully execute >>> 'copy >> file foo.png png'; however, when trying to execute the following: >> >> % chimera --nogui cmd:dostuff >> where 'dostuff' is: >> open 1yc4 >> color byelement #0 >> copy file foo.png png >> >> I get: >> Fetching 1yc4 from web site www.rcsb.org >> Done fetching 1yc4; verifying... >> Opening 1yc4... >> 1 model opened >> Opened 1yc4 containing 1 model, 1890 atoms, and 427 residues >> Rendering high resolution image...Error while processing cmd:dostuff: >> AttributeError: '_chimera.NoGuiViewer' object has no attribute >> 'pilImages' >> (see reply log for Python traceback info) >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/home/heiland/chimera/build/share/__main__.py", line 59, in ? >> value = chimeraInit.init(sys.argv) >> File "CHIMERA/share/chimeraInit.py", line 298, in init >> prefixableType=1) >> File "CHIMERA/share/chimera/__init__.py", line 1217, in open >> File "CHIMERA/share/Midas/ChimeraExtension.py", line 28, in func >> # lswdir = os.path.split(thisdir)[0] >> File "CHIMERA/share/Midas/midas_text.py", line 91, in >> processCommandFile >> File "CHIMERA/share/Midas/midas_text.py", line 60, in makeCommand >> File "CHIMERA/share/Midas/midas_text.py", line 542, in doCopy >> File "<string>", line 1, in ? >> File "CHIMERA/share/Midas/__init__.py", line 795, in copy >> File "CHIMERA/share/chimera/printer.py", line 705, in saveImage >> AttributeError: '_chimera.NoGuiViewer' object has no attribute >> 'pilImages' >> >> >> thanks, Randy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chimera-users mailing list >> Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users > > _______________________________________________ > Chimera-users mailing list > Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users >

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View scale and brix output
by Tom Goddard 08 Mar '07

08 Mar '07

Hi Christopher, If I understand your request you want to be able to easily return to a standard view magnification for making figures. There are 3 parameters that determine the apparent size of models seen in the Chimera window: the distance of the models from the eye position, the angular field of view, and the scale parameter which relates the screen pixels to physical units (Angstroms). With orthographic projection only the scale parameter matters. Chimera can use orthographic projection (activated in Camera tab of Side View dialog) but the default is perspective projection where all 3 parameters matter. Assuming you don't change the distance between the eye (i.e. camera) and the models, and you don't change the field of view then setting the scale alone would be sufficient to return to standard magnification settings. In the Side View dialog (menu entry Favorites / Side View) under the Camera tab there is an entry field for the scale factor. It gives the current absolute scale factor and can be changed to whatever value you like. It starts out as 1.0 in a new Chimera session. But if you open a session file it is set to whatever it was in the original session. If you open a session for a figure, then modify it, changing the scale as you go, then want to return to the original session scale factor you could use the command "reset session-start". This not only resets the scale but also the positions and orientations of all the models. Maybe that is not what you want because the new figure is perhaps showing the models from a different direction (e.g. rotated by 90 degrees). So perhaps you need a command like "resetscale session-start". That resetscale command does not exist but I could probably add it if you think it is what you need. Regarding writing BRIX map files, I agree it would be handy if Chimera could output more map formats. I think BRIX format is well enough documented that it could be done (writing files requires better understanding of the format than reading them). That format only saves unsigned 8-bit data values though. So going from float values in MRC to BRIX will lose information. Maybe Chimera would issue a warning about that. Tom Christopher Akey wrote: > Tom- > > A few more issues that have come up for user friendliness. > > 1. It would be useful to have a box where the user can specify the > absolute scale for the session, the first time it is opened, this > could be set at 1.0 for example after loading a ribosome map and the > atomics and putting them to a good size. > > Then the program should keep track of the changes made during the > session using the scale command (I guess you can't track changes made > with the mouse so one generally would avoid this, or even better one > should be able to turn off the mouse scale feature!). > > This way one could always look at the pull down for the current scale > value when you capture a particular view for a figure. > > One could then return to the original scale of 1.0 at the end of > session or write down the current scale value, which could be kept in > the ssesion. So upon reopening the session at a later date, one can > always get back to the correct scale to recapture a panel for a > figure. This is currently a real problem, as far as I can tell. > > 2. We often want to import a brix file with aligned pdbs, since we > dock and look at them in 'O', which is better in some ways for looking > at these maps, but not so good as Chimera for figure making > obviously....then in Chimera we may continue to trim or segment a map, > and then we want to take it back out, presumably as an MRC file, to be > converted into a brix by a conversion program (for us its SPIDER). > Then one can do another cycle of docking in 'O' using the > refined/cleaned up sub map from Chimera. > > While I can think of one way to do this without losing the relative > origins and thus, the map alignments, it is pretty tedious. If one > could write the zoned or volume erased brix volume back out as a new > brix file, with the correct dimensions and origin, relative to the > brix file brought into Chimera, this would allow you to cycle back and > forth using the best of both programs. > > > cheers C Akey >

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RMSD fit of an object to atom
by Navnit Kumar Mishra 08 Mar '07

08 Mar '07

Dear folks; Is there any simple way in chimera to do rmsd fitting of the object to the atom. I would like to measure the rmsd of an density peak with the atom. Could someone give the detail, how can I do it. And one another thing, how can I get rid of the problem with " At least four atoms should be selected", I am interested to do 'match' for two atoms. Thanks a lot, Navnit

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another snapshot
by Eric Pettersen 07 Mar '07

07 Mar '07

We just put out another snapshot (1.2352). It fixes some problems in the previous snapshot, including the scaling in the side-view window not matching the scaling in the main graphics window, and phylogeny support in Multalign Viewer not working. --Eric Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu

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Chimera to O and back again
by Tom Goddard 07 Mar '07

07 Mar '07

Hi Christopher, Ok, I see, you convert your MRC map to BRIX for working in O but then bring the PDB model that was adjusted in O back into Chimera and realign it with the original MRC. It sounds like the painful part of this process is that the BRIX map does not align with the original MRC map when viewed in Chimera. That is a problem with the SPIDER conversion from MRC to BRIX losing or interpreting differently the origin information. If the BRIX map actually had the correct origin so it aligned perfectly with the MRC map in Chimera then it would save you a bit of trouble. One solution is of course to have Chimera write out the BRIX file so it gets the positioning correct. I'm not sure when I would find time to write that code. Perhaps another solution is to figure out how the SPIDER conversion messes up the origin. That might allow choosing an MRC origin in Chimera such that the SPIDER BRIX map will align with the MRC map. My guess is that Chimera is using the MRC 2000 xorigin, yorigin, zorigin header fields while SPIDER is using the ncstart, nrstart, nsstart header values which Chimera sets to zero when it writes an MRC 2000 format file. If this theory is correct, the BRIX map might align with the MRC map if you change the MRC origin to (0,0,0) using the Chimera volume dialog Features / Origin and Scale panel. You could save this MRC map and work with it to avoid the BRIX/MRC misalignment problem. Tom Christopher Akey wrote: > Tom- > > As to our problem with getting files back into O without degradation of > information. Here is what we found that works. > > You have an original image in mrc format(1.mrc)=> convert to brix (we > use SPIDER) > > Then in O one can dock pdbs & do modeling etc. So now one has a brix > file and pdb modeled in approximately the right area. However, you want > to see if you can improve this difficult modeling. > > So you take the brix file and the pdb into Chimera. > > You write out the brix file as a new mrc file, ie 2.mrc, without any > transformations. > > You then read in the original (1.mrc) and move 2.mrc relative to 1.mrc > using local movements with mouse and then the the map vs map fitting. > > You then transform the fitted pdb file into the original 1.mrc using > "transform as" following the changes to the 2.mrc file. > > You can now do a zone or zone followed by a step of volume erase around > the pdb file using the 1.mrc file, they are in the same relative > orientation now. > > Finally, you write out a zoned/ve map, 1_zone_pdb.mrc, using the 1.mrc > map, so no loss of resolution here. > > Then you can convert 1_zone_pdb.mrc to a brix file and look at in O with > the pdb and it will now be docked in the correct way, ie one won't have > lost the correct origin/alignment of the pdb to the zoned map. > > ------ > > At this point in O, one can adjust the modeled pdb in the zoned density, > then bring the brix file and new modeled pdb files back into Chimera to > make a figure with a better fit of the modeled pdb file. > > This is obviously only needed when you have two structures interacting > and need to segment them vary carefully, to try and improve the local > fit of a loop or whatever. > > Did this make sense? > > It is a way to work in Chimera then transfer back > into O to visualize and work there and even to cycle between them. > > > cheers C Akey

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Re: [Chimera-users] View scale and brix output
by Eric Pettersen 07 Mar '07

07 Mar '07

Just to clarify some of the things that Elaine was unsure of: if a model gets closed that was involved in saved positions then it will simply be ignored when the position is restored. If some new model gets the same ID and sub-ID # as the closed model then that model will be positioned as if it were the closed model (except for per-model clip planes). --Eric On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Elaine Meng wrote: > Hi Christopher, > As long as you save the session after using savepos the positions > should be there. However, as you suspected the model numbers are > important - the individual transformations for the models are restored > based on those model numbers. I think it will restore the positions > of whichever models are there, despite complaining that some are > missing (it's been a while, I'd have to try it to make sure). If you > closed model 0 and opened a new model 0 it might try to put it in the > position the old model 0 was in. Also not sure about that one. When > I use saved positions for my own work, I don't delete/add models > between saving and restoring the positions. > > I can't really envision how positions could be saved without using the > model numbers. The only other thing I can think of is data file name, > but frequently one will have the same data file opened as more than > one model at a time, with different transformations. > ----- > Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab > Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry > University of California, San Francisco > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html > > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Christopher Akey wrote: > > Elaine - > > yeah,that does seem to work nicely within a session, lets see what > happens when I close and reopen it. However, is the savepos option > sensitive to things like deleting one object from the session before > closing, then opening and adding a new object (now the numbering of > the objects may vary and this seems to screw up matrices that are > saved cause they depend on the numbers). I would hope that savepos > doesn't depend on numbered objects? > > cwa > > > Meng wrote: >> Hi Christopher, >> Tom did mention "reset," but I thought I'd expand on that topic a >> bit. You can actually save multiple named positions, which will >> then be included in a single saved session. When I make a set of >> figures that differ in view and scale but with basically the same >> display/coloring setup, I use the "savepos" command to save the >> position for each figure, and then save the session. It doesn't >> matter what position everything is in when you save the session, >> because you will still be able to get back to any of those saved >> positions with "reset." >> The saved positions include scale. If you really only want to >> restore scale, currently you could note the value shown in the >> Camera tool (as mentioned by Tom), and later type that into the >> Camera tool to restore it. >> more about savepos and reset: >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/1.2304/docs/UsersGuide/midas/ >> savepos.html >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/1.2304/docs/UsersGuide/midas/ >> reset.html >> Elaine >> ----- >> Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu >> UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab >> Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry >> University of California, San Francisco >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html >> Christopher Akey wrote: >>> Tom- >>> >>> A few more issues that have come up for user friendliness. >>> >>> 1. It would be useful to have a box where the user can specify the >>> absolute scale for the session, the first time it is opened, this >>> could be set at 1.0 for example after loading a ribosome map and the >>> atomics and putting them to a good size. >>> >>> Then the program should keep track of the changes made during the >>> session using the scale command (I guess you can't track changes made >>> with the mouse so one generally would avoid this, or even better one >>> should be able to turn off the mouse scale feature!). >>> >>> This way one could always look at the pull down for the current scale >>> value when you capture a particular view for a figure. >>> >>> One could then return to the original scale of 1.0 at the end of >>> session or write down the current scale value, which could be kept in >>> the ssesion. So upon reopening the session at a later date, one can >>> always get back to the correct scale to recapture a panel for a >>> figure. This is currently a real problem, as far as I can tell. >>> >>> 2. We often want to import a brix file with aligned pdbs, since we >>> dock and look at them in 'O', which is better in some ways for >>> looking >>> at these maps, but not so good as Chimera for figure making >>> obviously....then in Chimera we may continue to trim or segment a >>> map, >>> and then we want to take it back out, presumably as an MRC file, to >>> be >>> converted into a brix by a conversion program (for us its SPIDER). >>> Then one can do another cycle of docking in 'O' using the >>> refined/cleaned up sub map from Chimera. >>> >>> While I can think of one way to do this without losing the relative >>> origins and thus, the map alignments, it is pretty tedious. If one >>> could write the zoned or volume erased brix volume back out as a new >>> brix file, with the correct dimensions and origin, relative to the >>> brix file brought into Chimera, this would allow you to cycle back >>> and >>> forth using the best of both programs. >>> >>> >>> cheers C Akey >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chimera-users mailing list >> Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users > > > -- > cheers C Akey > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > STRUCTURAL ELECTRON MICROSCOPY & CRYSTALLOGRAPHY GROUP > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Christopher W. Akey, Professor > Physiology & Biophysics > Boston Univ. School of Medicine > 700 Albany St. > Boston, Mass. 02118-2526 > > off: 617 638 4051 lab: 617 638 4088 > fax: 617 638 4041 > cakey(a)bu.edu > http://biophysics.bumc.bu.edu/faculty/akey/index.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >

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Re: [Chimera-users] Red-cyan stereo
by Tom Goddard 07 Mar '07

07 Mar '07

Hi Jean-Francois, I do not think Chimera produces red-green stereo, only red-cyan. Greg Couch in our lab would know. I've sent your question to the Chimera users groups so he can give a more definitive answer. Tom jean-francois menetret wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > I have tried the red-cyan stereo option of Chimera with red-green glasses > (I couldn't find red-cyan glasses). One gets the stereo effect but > there is a > shadow from the cyan image that the red filter doesn't stop completely. > Is it possible to change the cyan to green ? > > Jean-Francois

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Re: [Chimera-users] md movie amber issue
by Elaine Meng 05 Mar '07

05 Mar '07

Hi Tom, Recording a movie uses the screen resolution. In contrast, image saving uses "supersampling": a bigger image is saved initially and then sampled back down to the requested size, and that gets rid of jagged edges. Currently, movie recording cannot save the image frames with supersampling, but we plan to add that in the future. If you are recording a trajectory in MD Movie, use the "recording" feature in MD Movie. There is no advantage to using Movie Recorder (under Utilities) or the command "movie" because they use exactly the same underlying mechanism to save frames and assemble them into a movie, and are subject to identical resolution issues. All the same flags that can be used with the "movie" command can be entered in the recording dialog called from MD Movie. The difference is (as you noted) the Movie Recorder is not synchronized well with trajectory playback. See http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/movie/ movie.html#recording and the "encode" options in: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/movie.html In neither case would you have to assemble the individual frames yourself (unless you wanted to for some reason) - on Movie Recorder, clicking the "Make movie" button encodes the saved frames into a movie file. Settings that affect the final movie appearance are Chimera window size (adjust this before saving image frames) and the encoding options mentioned above. I hope this helps, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html On Mar 4, 2007, at 4:20 AM, Thomas Caulfield wrote: > Hi again Elaine, > > (I) > So I have a MD movie trajectory working (NAMD style, not AMBER), but > my question now goes to rendering a movie. I noticed that under the > MD trajectory window (which plays the frames), that the net resolution > afterward is pretty low (whether I choose MPEG-1/2/4 or > quicktime.mov). But when I do renderings of images the quality is > amazing. > (II) > I also went to Utilities under tools and movie recording, where it > seems some preferences are listed (like resolution etc.), but when I > hit record under that option the trajectory doesn't play, so It starts > taking high-resolution screenshots into a folder with the name > qui*blah-1,2,3,4,... and so on. If this were to play the trajectory > that would be fine, because I could use graphic converter to make a > movie of that. When I tried to do it manually and the make the movie, > it was better resolution, but jerky skipping tons of frames at a time. > > Is there an easier way to do it in (I) and set some preference to the > desired resolution (it looked all bitmappy and fuzzy by the end), > rather than trying to take 1000+screeshots from method (II)? > > Thanks again. > > -Tom > > PS I will try getting this to that other email you gave before thanks. > > On Mar 3, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Elaine Meng wrote: > >> Hi Tom, >> For some reason the mail came to me and not Eric! It may be because >> his address was typed with a one instead of an ell (should be cgl not >> cg1) - but no harm, I've forwarded it to him. He will have to address >> the first question, but I'll tackle the other. >> >> In single-PDB input, the frames should be indicated with MODEL and >> ENDMDL records. For an example, see any NMR structure in the PDB >> that has more than one set of coordinates (1plx is a nice small >> example). >> Best, >> Elaine >> ----- >> Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu >> UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab >> Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry >> University of California, San Francisco >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Thomas Caulfield wrote: >> >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> I wanted to know about using Amber prmtop with Chimera movie md >>> traj. I used it and my initlal frame looks fine, but then it starts >>> bouncing out of camera and back, and my final molecule looks a mess. >>> But in VMD it looks just fine. I'd rather use Chimera for >>> rendering since everything looks so nice in it, however I don't know >>> why it is doing this. >>> >>> I also tried using a series of PDBs instead (to circumvent this >>> issue), but I cannot load it as a single PDB (with multiple frames >>> in it), since the program complains there is only 1 structure in the >>> file. I removed all END and added numbers between the files to try >>> and get it to realize there were frames. >>> >>> What can I do to fix this? >>> >>> Thanks a bunch! >>> >>> -Tom >>> >>> _____________________________ >>> Tom Caulfield, Ph.D. Candidate >>> School of Chemistry & Biochemistry >>> Cherry Emerson Bldg., RM 329 >>> Georgia Institute >>> of Technology >>> Atlanta, GA 30332-0400 >>> Harvey Laboratory: >>> http://rumour.biology.gatech.edu >>> _____________________________ >>> >>> >>> >> > >

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copy cmd in nogui script
by Randy Heiland 03 Mar '07

03 Mar '07

What cmd should I invoke in a --nogui script to copy the rendered image to a file? >From the interactive viewer cmd line, I can successfully execute 'copy file foo.png png'; however, when trying to execute the following: % chimera --nogui cmd:dostuff where 'dostuff' is: open 1yc4 color byelement #0 copy file foo.png png I get: Fetching 1yc4 from web site www.rcsb.org Done fetching 1yc4; verifying... Opening 1yc4... 1 model opened Opened 1yc4 containing 1 model, 1890 atoms, and 427 residues Rendering high resolution image...Error while processing cmd:dostuff: AttributeError: '_chimera.NoGuiViewer' object has no attribute 'pilImages' (see reply log for Python traceback info) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/heiland/chimera/build/share/__main__.py", line 59, in ? value = chimeraInit.init(sys.argv) File "CHIMERA/share/chimeraInit.py", line 298, in init prefixableType=1) File "CHIMERA/share/chimera/__init__.py", line 1217, in open File "CHIMERA/share/Midas/ChimeraExtension.py", line 28, in func # lswdir = os.path.split(thisdir)[0] File "CHIMERA/share/Midas/midas_text.py", line 91, in processCommandFile File "CHIMERA/share/Midas/midas_text.py", line 60, in makeCommand File "CHIMERA/share/Midas/midas_text.py", line 542, in doCopy File "<string>", line 1, in ? File "CHIMERA/share/Midas/__init__.py", line 795, in copy File "CHIMERA/share/chimera/printer.py", line 705, in saveImage AttributeError: '_chimera.NoGuiViewer' object has no attribute 'pilImages' thanks, Randy

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snapshot release source
by Randy Heiland 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

Would it be possible for the dev team to post the source headers for the 1.234*/numpy snapshot release? -Randy

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Virus map density versus radius
by Tom Goddard 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

Hi Padma, I added a Chimera keyboard shortcut "rd" that prints out average map density versus radius. https://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/cgi-bin/chimera-get.py?file=experimental/radialden… This zip file contains a directory RadialDensity that you put in chimera/share. You enable keyboard shortcuts with Tools / General Controls / Accelerators On, open your VIPER map and type shortcut "rd". A table of radius and average density values is displayed in the Chimera reply log. You can copy and paste it to a plotting program. I've attached an example image for em_1sva. I used the following plotting program on the Mac. http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/math_science/plot.html The calculation is very slow because it is done in Python. For em_1sva (size 72^3) it took 12 seconds on my intel Mac and for em_1011 (size 256^3) it took 10 minutes. It could be 100 to 1000 times faster in C++ but that would require more code. I tested with Chimera 1.2343. I will be at the Biophysical Society meeting Sunday through Tuesday and probably not answering email. Tom Padmaja Natarajan wrote: > Tom, > > I was also wondering if it is possible to get "max. radius" value for > every entry by > radially averaging the density values for radii going in steps of the > pixel size of that map. > Then we do not have to give the radius value in the input text file > and also will be able to produce a text > file with "radius vs. average density" for each entry. Just a thought. > > Thanks > Padma >

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Fitting and measuring lengths in volume data
by Tom Goddard 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

Hi Mazdak, To fit a PDB model in a map in Chimera you can hand place the model in roughly the right location and then do a computational optimization that maximizes the density at the atom positions. Here are instructions: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/tutorials/volumetour/volumetour.html#fitmod… Your map grid plane spacing has to be set correctly in Angstroms since the PDB model coordinates are in Angstroms. Adjust the map grid plane spacing using the volume dialog menu entry Features / Origin and Scale and change the Voxel Size entry fields and press the Enter key to use those new values. Voxel size is the same as grid plane spacing. You can measure the length between two markers. Just select the link (ctrl click on it with the left mouse button) and use keyboard shortcut "pl". You first have to turn on keyboard shortcuts using menu entry Tools / General Controls / Accelerators On. Here are more details http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/tutorials/volumetour/volumetour.html#pathle… For more info on volume data capabilities look at the Guide to Volume Data Display http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/tutorials/volumetour/volumetour.html I will look at map merging today if I have time. So far I have been busy all week. Tom Mazdak Radjainia wrote: > Hi Tom, > > There are actually two more tasks where I was hoping that chimera could help > me. > > 1. I would like to fit high resolution data from a coordinate file in a > low-electron density map. Can chimera perform such a docking/fitting? I > tried to do it manually but I couldn't resize the opened pdb file towards my > .mrc electron density map. > > 2. Is it possible to measure the length of a link between two markers? I > tried to use the experimental "distance to surface" feature. But it never > measures the distance between two markers which I hoped it could do. > > I really appreciate that you are already helping me out with map-merging > feature which I hope doesn't cause too much trouble. It's just great to know > if I could do the entire molecular visualization and structure analysis in > chimera? > > Cheers > Mazdak >

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Re: [Chimera-users] yet another chimera question...
by Eric Pettersen 01 Mar '07

01 Mar '07

> On Jan 19, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Elaine Meng wrote: > > > One other thing you might not know is that you can save multiple > > positions in a single session (i.e. you don't have to save a session > > for each position). Positions are named/saved with the command > > "savepos" and reapplied with "reset": > > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/savepos.html > > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/reset.html > > > > These positions definitely include the global clipping plane > > positions. > > I'm not sure about the per-model clipping plane positions. > > They unfortunately do not contain the per-model clip planes yet. > > --Eric I have just added the saving of per-model clipping settings in positions, so it will be in the next snapshot release. A consequence of this improvement is that you will be able to use the 'reset' command to smoothly interpolate per-model clipping in scripts. --Eric Eric Pettersen UCSF Computer Graphics Lab pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu

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Re: [Chimera-users] 2d labels in chimera
by Elaine Meng 01 Mar '07

01 Mar '07

Hi Eman, We were able to restore your session and save images that included the labels (nice figure, by the way!). I will send you the resulting images in a separate message. It is now sounding like an issue with your graphics hardware and/or drivers. We would like to get information on your graphics setup - the easiest way is to choose Help... Report a Bug from the Chimera menu, which will fill in that information automatically, and send us a bug report. Since we've been trading mails, you don't need to put a lot of additional information in there, maybe just your e-mail address and something like "2d labels not included in saved image". If it is a graphics driver issue, there is not much we can do, but you may be able to improve performance by updating it. Also, we could add the information to our list of known graphics driver bugs. Thanks and sorry for the difficulties, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html On Mar 1, 2007, at 5:50 AM, Eman Ghanem wrote: > Hi Elaine: > I e-mailed you last night and mentioned that the chimera 2d labels > are fine now. After that, I started working on a different file and > the I had the same problem (2dlabels not showing in the image > file). I am not sure where the problem is. I hope this is OK, but > I am attaching the session file including the labels Would you > please try to save is and see you have the same problem? Also, you > asked if I tried different image formats; I tried but the file type > does not make a different. Thank you. > Regards, > > Eman

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2d labels in chimera
by Eman Ghanem 28 Feb '07

28 Feb '07

Hi: I am not able to save an image that contains 2d labels as a Tiff file. Every time I save it, the labels don't show up on the image. I read on your web site that this only happens if I am trying to save an image that is smaller than the original pixels of the chimera window. However, I tried saving it without changing any specifications. Any idea what I can do?? thanks, EG --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.

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64-bit Linux chimera snapshot available
by Greg Couch 28 Feb '07

28 Feb '07

If you are running a 64-bit version of Linux with an AMD64, Opteron, or Intel Xeon processors, then please try out our new snapshot at <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/download.html>. This platform is now supported and will have future snapshot and production releases. Greg Couch UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

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Re: [Chimera-users] Saving model positions
by Tom Goddard 27 Feb '07

27 Feb '07

Hi Christopher, If you have 10 models open in a Chimera session and you close model number 7, the session should still save correctly. If it doesn't please report it as a bug. Unfortunately restoring the session file uses different model numbers for the density maps (the lowest available numbers). That is a bug that I need to fix. It should use all of the original model numbers even if there are gaps. Even though the model numbers will change, the orientations of all the models 1-6 and 8-10 will all be correct in the restored session. I sent your earlier email to our Chimera users mailing list. That is why your reply to me went to that mailing list. I like to post the questions to the mailing list so others can benefit from the answer and I remove any confidential information (email, phone, signature line, research details). Let me know if you want to keep your questions off of the Chimera mailing list. Here's the message where I posted your original question and my reply. http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/pipermail/chimera-users/2007-February/001366.html Tom Christopher Akey wrote: > > Thomas - > > This went via reply to some kinda list, sorry. > > I will try some of these approaches. However, there is a question. If > you have 10 objects in a session, and decide to delete number 7, then > sometimes you cannot get the session to save properly with a missing > number. > > In theory, if one could get the session to save, then a matrix for the > first 6 objects would still work? > > > cheers C Akey

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New chimera development snapshot available
by Greg Couch 27 Feb '07

27 Feb '07

See <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/relnotes/snapshot.html> for details (this will be accurate for the next few days, after that read the release notes that are bundled into the chimera snapshot). The snapshot uses NumPy instead of Numeric python, so some third-party extensions may break (eg., parts of EMAN). Other highlights include intial support for PDB 3.0 (remediated PDB) format and built-in POV-Ray raytraced image support. Enjoy, Greg Couch UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

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Saving model positions
by Thomas Goddard 26 Feb '07

26 Feb '07

Hi Christopher, The problem you have with the Chimera matrixget and matrixset commands is that the matrix file lists the model number (0.0, 1.0, 2.0, ...) with each matrix. For example, Model 0.0 -0.0635922 -0.740419 0.66913 247.807 -0.979146 -0.0833402 -0.185275 540.192 0.192946 -0.666958 -0.719679 472.752 Model 1.0 0.233245 -0.923975 -0.303095 418.621 0.970522 0.201738 0.131868 -125.304 -0.0606967 -0.324918 0.943792 100.98 When you open maps and PDB files in a different order they get different numbers. Chimera assigns the lowest available number (starting at 0) each time you open a data set. Then when you use matrixset <filename> to get your standard orientation it applies the matrices to the wrong models because of the different numbering. The easiest remedy for this is to open your data sets in a fixed order (first large ribosomal map (#0), then small ribosomal map (#1), ...). This can be inconvenient. If you save a single positioning matrix in a file there is no current command to say to apply that matrix to a model that you specify as a command argument (e.g. no command like "matrixset <matrix-file> <model-number>" exists). There are some other approaches to the problem of getting standard orientations. One method is to save your ribosome large and small subunit map positions in a Chimera session. Then if you want to use different maps, open the reference session, then open the new maps and use the "matrixcopy" command http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/matrixcopy.html to position the new maps to match the reference map positions. Instead of using matrixcopy you could use the equivalent Model Panel dialog "Transform As" button to apply the positioning matrix of one map to a second map. Another command that may be helpful is "savepos <name>". http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/savepos.html It remembers the positions of all currently opened data sets and gives a name to that set of positions. You can later restore those positions with the command "reset <name>". These named positions are saved in Chimera session files. The trouble is that there is not an immediate way to apply those positioning matrices to different maps or PDB models. But that could be achieved with the matrixcopy command or Model Panel / Transform As button. If this set of capabilities does not let you easily do what you want could you describe an exact scenario (how many maps, how many models, how are they related) and if possible propose a new command that would help you. I think it would be great if density map file formats supported saving multiple named positioning matrices in their header. For example, you might want to save how a piece of a map is positioned in the full source map, and also how a piece of a map fits into different map (e.g. at various locations in a tomogram), and your case of just a standard orientation ("front view", "top view"). I do not believe any of the commonly used density map formats allow this although it may be possible to put that info into header comment fields in some map files. Tom Christopher Akey wrote: > Tom - > > ... > > Chimera is very good, but there are still problems. A new workstation > will help and will be here in a few weeks. > > However, one thing is really annoying. It is important to set a > particular view for your structure, for example a side-by-side frontal > view of the ribosome with regards to the small and large subunits. > > Once you have this in one session it would be useful to be able to > recreate this easily in other sessions. (For logistical reasons, it is > ofter easier to keep a session for each Figure so that they don't get to > crowded.) > > Right now, if you save a matrix (matrixget) and then make a change in > the session, ie delete or add a file, you get unpredictable results, but > usually, the matrix no longer works or it only works for one volume in > the session. This is not good when you have separate vols for the small > and large subunits in proper registration, you get a matrix for the > front view, and then at a later time, only one subunit will be realigned > properly! > > It would be great if you could set a matrix for a particular map as a > benchmark, then when you read that map into any other session, you could > recreate this orientation using the matrix. I don't understand why this > won't work. > > The feature of being able to bring in other maps and align them in > CHimera is great and works very well (its in our older test version that > we are using, and its very useful as we often have 3 or more structures > of the same basic object with minor diffs). > > I hope this makes sense. > > cheers C Akey >

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many days after...another question Re: Select atom by serial number.
by Jean Didier Pie Marechal 26 Feb '07

26 Feb '07

Hi everybody, I'd like to select a series of atoms by their serial number (again!!!) (e.g. from atom number 1 to atom number 10). the sel @/serialNumber=1-10 doesn't seem to be the right syntax. Is it possible to do this kind of selection? If yes, what is the right syntax please. Cheers, JD Dr. Jean-Didier Maréchal Professor Lector Unitat de Química Física Departament de Química Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona Edifici C.n. 08193 Cerdonyola (Barcelona) Tel: +34.935814936 e-mail: JeanDidier.Marechal(a)uab.es ----- Missatge original ----- De: Elaine Meng <meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> Data: Dijous, Gener 11, 2007 8:59 pm Assumpte: Re: [Chimera-users] Select atom by serial number. > > Hi JD, > We also tested Chimera 1.2309 on Windows, and these specifications > > work correctly. Example: > Command: sel @/serialNumber=232 > will select NZ of Lys 27 in chain A of the PDB entry 1zik. The > only > other thing I can think of (besides what was in the previous > message) > is to check if your PDB file is correctly formatted. The > ATOM/HETATM > serial number is supposed to be in columns 7-11 and right-justified. > Best, > Elaine > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Elaine Meng wrote: > > > Hi JD, > > You are using the correct specifications - both of your examples > > > should work. I tested both approaches in Chimera 1.2304 on Mac > OSX > > and they worked correctly. We'll have to look into your > specific > > version/platform and get back to you. If you want, you could > send > > me the PDB file you are using so I could test if there is some > > issue specific to that structure. To be clear: the serial > number > > is the number shown in the column after ATOM (or HETATM) in the > PDB > > file, regardless of what order the atoms are really in. That > is, > > if the first ATOM has 2 in that column, its serial number is 2 > and > > not 1. > > Best, > > Elaine > > ----- > > Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > > UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab > > Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry > > University of California, San Francisco > > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Jean-Didier Maréchal wrote: > > > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I am desperately trying to select an atom of my pdb by its > serial > >> number. > >> > >> Looking at the archives, it seems that I should put something > like > >> @/serialNumber=525 > >> > >> I tried “sel #0@/serialNumber=525” in the commandl ine and “@/ > >> serialNumber=525” in the Atom Specifier. None of these > selections > >> worked. Can someone tell me the right way to do this, please ? > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> JD > >> > >> > >> > >> Current running chimera: version 1 build 2309 > >> > >> OS: windows > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chimera-users mailing list > >> Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users > > > >

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Combining 2 electron density maps in 1
by Mazdak Radjainia 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

Hi, I would like to open two electron density maps in chimera and save/merge them together in one map. Both maps are activated in the "model panel" but I cannot select/save both at a time using the volume viewer. I appreciate your help! Kind regards Mazdak

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Chimera on 64-bit Windows
by Tom Goddard 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Hi Christopher, I believe the 32-bit Windows Chimera distribution will run on 64-bit versions of Windows, such as Windows XP Pro x64 Edition. But I do not have a machine to try it on. It will certainly run on 32-bit Windows running on a 64-bit processor -- I've tried that with an AMD64 processor. Tom Christopher Akey wrote: > Steve and Tom- > > Will EMAN and Chimera run ok on a 64 bit machine running windows XP, > initially we plan to use it this way, then change over to Linux when > we have time. Or do we just install Linux right away? > > cheers C Akey

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Memory requirements for Chimera
by Tom Goddard 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Hi Christopher, I think it starts making sense to use a 64-bit machine if you are loading data that requires >= 1 Gbyte. In general, 32-bit linux binaries will run on a 64-bit machine. Currently we only provide a 32-bit linux Chimera distribution though we plan on adding 64-bit Linux as a standard Chimera platform in the next 6 months. The 32-bit Chimera runs fine on 64-bit linux. The advantage of a 64-bit version is that it uses memory pointers that are 64 bits so they can address more than 4 Gbytes. On a 32-bit system the operating system and the many libraries that Chimera uses (~50) may occupy a significant portion of the 4 Gbyte address space. Even if you have less than 4 Gbytes of physical memory the operating system can and does use the full 32-bit 4 Gbyte address space and swap data to disk when there is not enough physical memory. But if a program asks for a 512 Mbyte block of memory and there is no available segment of that size in the address space then it will fail. Graphics drivers use the computer's main memory for data that will not fit on the card. Either 256 or 512 Mbytes on the graphics card should give good performance even for large systems. Unless you are using the volume "solid" rendering mode the rendering speed will slow to much less than 1 frame per second before you use up 256 Mbytes. For reference, the machines I currently use for developing Chimera and looking at large volume data sets are: 1) Mac dual G5 desktop with 1.5 Gbyte memory and 128 Mb ATI Radeon 9800 Pro graphics, and 2) MacBook Pro, Intel Core 2 duo, 2 Gbyte memory, 256 Mb ATI X1600 graphics. Thanks for the apoptosome papers -- interesting work. Tom Christopher Akey wrote: > Tom- > ok, I will keep notes on what is not working and send them to you, as > we go through making figures this week. > > Will chimera run fine on a 64 bit Linux box? The other option is 32 > bits, but if I buy a high end workstation it should probably be 64 bit > yes? > > Also, about making Chimera able to handle big sessions: is the rate > limiting factor the RAM or the memory on the Graphics Card. We have a > 512 Mb cache on our current graphics card and still have problems, so > I presume we are RAM limited. > > When buying a new machine, should I invest in a 512 Mb Nvidia card or > is 256 fine, as long as there is enough RAM? > > By the way, I am attaching two pdfs of papers published using Chimera > graphics. > > thanks. > > CWA > > > Tom Goddard wrote: >> Hi Christopher, >> >> I'm not sure what causes crashes in Chimera when you are working >> close to the available memory limit. If a memory allocation fails in >> C++ it should produce an error message in Chimera indicating that >> memory could not be allocated because we catch those exceptions. >> Memory allocations in C (not C++) libraries that Chimera uses are >> likely to cause a crash though. >> >> It would help us to know what Chimera is doing when the crashes >> occur. We may be able to put some safety checks in our C++ where C >> library allocations are known to fail. Do I understand correctly >> that crashes happen while you are saving an image (individual tiles >> being displayed on screen)? Chimera by default makes an image 3 >> times larger then requested to make a smoother image. That can take >> a good bit of memory. Are there other actions that cause crashes? >> >> Tom > >

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An NMR Average Structure
by S W Simon Sham 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

Hi, I need to calculate an average structure from an emsembled structures in Chimera. Can we do it it Chimera? If yes, how? Thanks for any helps. Simon ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Simon Sham, Ph.D. NMR Core Facility Comprehensive Cancer Center Univerisity of Alabama 933 South 19th Street CH19 B31 Birmingham, AL 35294 Office: (205) 934-5696 Fax : (205) 934-6475 Email : ssham44(a)uab.edu

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Create surface from markers
by Tom Goddard 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

Hi Jeff, Chimera cannot currently create a surface from markers placed with the volume path tracer tool. It would not be so hard to write some Python code to do this. Here is an example of Python code that creates a surface in Chimera: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ProgrammersGuide/Reference/surface.html Tom Jeff wrote: > hi Tom, > > is there a way to use a marker file just to render a surface (a > series/group of dots, just needing to be connected by a mesh)? for > instance, to represent a membrane. > > -Jeff

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Saving full map when zoning
by Tom Goddard 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

Hi Jean-Francois, You can save a map with the original map size while using volume zone by first pressing the the "Full" button in the Features / Subregion Selection panel of the volume dialog. Then use the File / Save Map As button. You can see what region will be saved by looking at the Features / Region Bounds panel (and you could type in new bounds there and press the Enter key instead of pressing the Full button). The volume zone capability (Features / Zone) normally uses a smaller box of data so that it is faster. Even when part of the surface is hidden by the zoning the whole surface within the box being used is computed and that is sometimes slow. Tom jean-francois menetret wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > when using the zone option in Chimera, is it possible to have the size > of the saved mrc file (after zoning) be the same as the original file ? > > Best wishes > > Jean-Francois

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Re: [Chimera-users] demo made under Linux has bland atoms in Windows
by Elaine Meng 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

On Feb 16, 2007, at 7:55 PM, Kenward Vaughan wrote: > For me, the byatom coloration is there to begin with under Linux. The > ach shows up colored properly, as does the acetylcholinesterase. > Aha!! Problem solved!! I am 99.99% sure the difference is your preferences file. The demo itself does not say to color by element when the structure is opened. However, there is a New Molecules section of the Preferences in which you can say structures should be colored that way when they are opened. Most likely you have this set on your home Linux machine, but not in the Chimera preferences used on the Windows machines. Months ago we discussed the need for some way to indicate that preferences should be bypassed at startup and/or when opening structures. This option would be appropriate for use with demos or scripts to be shared among multiple users each having some arbitrary set of preferences settings. However, this option hasn't been added (nor are we sure how best to implement it)... thanks for the additional motivation to revisit that issue! The demos included with Chimera were made in a directory with a default preferences file. It is likely, however, that some users with nondefault New Molecules preferences have played them back and gotten a result different than intended. > > I've noticed rotation is slow under Windows, but v. nice with Linux > (about 7 seconds total). > It depends on the graphics capabilities of the system. It is slow on our home desktop computer (>5 years old - you can almost hear gears grinding) but fast on my laptop (1-2 years old). Happy demoing and please do contact us with any problems or suggestions, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html

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demo made under Linux has bland atoms in Windows
by Kenward Vaughan 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

...in a fashion, that is. A demo I plan on using at school (a Windows fortress, it is) displays all atoms as grey--no color (by element). The demo was created on a Linux machine (at my home). :( Any thoughts? Kenward ps. both versions of Chimera are the latest production version (2304). -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca

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saving map in different position
by Gabor Papai 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

Hi Tom, Is there a way to save a map with only transformation, or obtain the transformation matrix if I do a freehand transformation of an object? We would like to create a composite volume of several spheres. It would be the best to write a single map of several differently positioned spheres but I could also apply the transformation in IMAGIC if I would know the matrix. Thanks for helping! Regards, Gabor -- Gabor Papai IGBMC Department of Structural Biology and Genomics 1, rue Laurent Fries, BP 10142 67404 Illkirch, France phone +33-3-90244796 Fax +33-3-88653201 E-mail: papai(a)igbmc.u-strasbg.fr

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Re: [Chimera-users] making movies with MorphMap, exporting povray scenes, FitMapInMap
by Gatsogiannis, Christos 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

Hello Greg and Tom, povray: the assumed gamma-change was indeed the problem. Thank you very much! I´m waitin for the next snapshot release MorphMap: the updated version works correctly! Thanks! Do you maybe plan in the future on offering the possibility to save a density map also in different formats than mrc (situs, imagic .. etc) ? That would be very useful... Thanks again, Christos

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cavity cropped view
by Randy Heiland 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

What options exist in Chimera for letting me show only that portion of a protein that is "near" another smaller molecule? Specifically, I have a ligand in a cavity of a large protein and would like to eliminate the "clutter" of the protein away from the cavity of interest. Thanks, Randy

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making movies with MorphMap, exporting povray scenes, FitMapInMap
by Gatsogiannis, Christos 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

Dear Chimera users and developers, recently I used the new morph map tool and it worked very nice in my case. I encountered a problem while exporting the animation in any movie-format within Morphmap, I just get empty or very small files, which cannot be displayed in any media-player. I decided then to use the chimera-movie recorder utility to record the morphing animation and this worked fine (I´ve tested this with mpeg-2 format). At the moment I´m using the chimera-version 1.2309 in a SUSE LINUX 9.2 environment. Is this a version problem or a bug? Furthermore, I´ve exported some scenes in the povray format and I´ve noticed that the final images are of lower quality in comparison with images made some months ago with older chimera versions. I haven´t changed the povray-version, the rendering settings and the settings for the visualisation of my data in chimera (brightness etc...). The colors are too pale, I could send you some example-images if needed. I´ve tried also the Fit Map in Map tool recently and it worked perfectly (you sent this tool to a group-colleague some months ago). I´m wondering why you didn´t put this tool on the experimental site yet....and one more last question...after using Fit Map in Map, is there any possibility to save the "fitted" map with it´s new orientation? Thanks, Christos Christos Gatsogiannis Institute of Zoology Johannes Gutenberg University 55099 Mainz, Germany Tel: +49(0)6131-39-23091 email: gatsogia(a)uni-mainz.de

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Request for Chimera on CD
by Tom Goddard 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Hi Zia, Our Chimera software can be downloaded from the web http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/download.html We have never distributed it by CD. Perhaps we can do it. Our program needs about 512 Mbytes of computer memory. What operating system do you need it for? Windows? Linux? Mac OS X? Because almost all molecular structure and sequence data used in research is obtained from the web I suspect our software will be of limited use to you without internet access. Tom zia muhammad wrote: > Respected Dear Dr. > > I am teaching Bioinformatics at International Islamic University > Islamabad, Pakistan. I am teaching molecula Docking and Protein > Structure prediction, CHIMERA or HMMs methodology. I hvae done all > theoratical work but could not perform any practical due to lack of > softwares. I will thankful to you if you kindly provide me some basic > softwares in this respect. After basic knowledge and establishing > proper labs we will purchase relatd softwares but on initial basis we > need your help. I also could not download different softwares so can > you kindly send me on CD. > Your kind attention will be highly acknowledged. > > Please reply. > > Regards > > Zia > > > ******************************** > *Muhammad Zia* > *Room # 7, Hostel # 2* > *Quaid-i-Azam University,* > *Islamabad. Pakistan* > *45320* > *********************************ue

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display two volumes alternatively
by Montserrat Samso 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Hi, I am trying to compare two cryoEM density maps of the same protein, the only difference between them is a conformational change. Is there a way to switch directly from one volume to the other without having to display both of them together in between? Thanks, Montserrat ------------------------------------------------------- Montserrat Samso, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Anesthesia Research Brigham and Women's Hospital Harvard Medical School 75 Francis St. Boston, MA 02115 Tel: 617 7328107 Fax: 617 7326927 E-mail: msamso(a)zeus.bwh.harvard.edu -------------------------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). The information contained in this message may be private and confidential, and may also be subject to the work product doctrine. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

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programmatic representation
by Randy Heiland 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

I'd like to be able to set the representation (wire, stick, bs, cpk) of a model programmatically, in this case, from a plugin. I was trying the following, but the newly displayed model would always be displayed in wire: self.model = ReadSDF.readSDF(tmpfile.name) chimera.openModels.add(self.model) #Midas.represent('stick', self.model) Midas.represent('cpk', self.model) Suggestions? thanks, Randy

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Re: [Chimera-users] opacity for stick representation in chimera
by Elaine Meng 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

Hi Jerome, First make a transparent color and then use it on the atoms/bonds - there are a handful of routes. You can make the transparent color using the Color Editor (under Tools... Utilities; click the Opacity to get a slider for that, then adjust the red/green/blue/opacity sliders as desired). This color can be used on atoms/bonds, ribbons, whatever (depending on the current target setting under Actions.. Color) by choosing "Actions... Color... from editor" or it can be used in coloring commands using the color name "fromeditor" Color Editor description: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/colortool.html Alternatively, you can make the transparent color with the command "colordef" and give it whatever name you want. The new color name can then be used in coloring commands. Color definitions are saved in sessions. Or, if you don't want to save sessions, just make a command file with all of your favorite color definitions and read it in whenever you want those colors defined. "colordef" man page: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/midas/colordef.html I hope this makes sense - feel free to write back if it doesn't! Best, E ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. meng(a)cgl.ucsf.edu UCSF Computer Graphics Lab and Babbitt Lab Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/meng/index.html On Feb 11, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Jerome Nilmeier wrote: > Hi Elaine: > > I was wondering: can you adjust the opacity of the stick > representation in chimera? > > best, J

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xforms, cpk scale
by Randy Heiland 08 Feb '07

08 Feb '07

Is there a command to scale sphere of a CPK rep? Is there a command to save the current viewing transformation to a file and then read it back/apply it at a later time? Thanks, Randy

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Drawing Artifacts
by Albion Baucom 08 Feb '07

08 Feb '07

Using the latest stable current production release of Chimera, 1.2304, I have begun to experience some drawing problems that I never had in previous versions. Specifically I frequently get a thin wireframe rendering of my protein structure when I draw the structure as a ribbon with a volume open at the same time. This wire frame persists even when I turn the display of the molecule off in the model panel, and it also does not rotate or translate if the protein is selected as the only active object. In effect it leaves behind a ghost image. Curiously this representation alternates from a light gray/white color to black when I open dialog boxes. The artifact toggles on and off with the volume in some instances. My processing and graphics hardware have not changed recently, nor has operating system (Linux). I do not experience this behavior with my last version of Chimera, 1.2199; it never renders this artifact. I have a nVidia Geforce 6800GT graphics card with the nVidia Linux drivers 1.0-9746. My X11 server is version 6.8.2. Here is a screen image of this phenomenon http://msg.ucsf.edu:8100/~baucom/images/chimera_image.jpg I have rotate the model slightly to show that the thin wireframe stays behind. It is not a separate object in the model panel. Thanks Albion

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Morph Map
by Tom Goddard 08 Feb '07

08 Feb '07

I've added a Chimera extension called Morph Map http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/experimental/morph_map/morphmap.html to the experimental features web page: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/experimental/experimental.html It interpolates between two volume data sets and makes animations. The original version of this tool was written by Wei Zhang in Pawel Penczek's lab. Tom

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Re: [Chimera-users] Map Orientation for Symmetry Plug-in
by Tom Goddard 07 Feb '07

07 Feb '07

Hi Albion, Ok, I made the "fit map in map" tool print out a point on the rotation axis. The new code for use with Chimera 1.2318 is here: https://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/cgi-bin/chimera-get.py?file=experimental/fitmap231… The zip file contains a directory FitMap that you put in your Chimera distribution under chimera/share or on Mac Chimera.app/Contents/Resources/share For more installation details see http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/experimental/install.html This FitMap directory replaces your existing one. After restarting Chimera you can fit a helically symmetric map in a rotated copy of itself then get the axis point (shown in Favorites / Reply Log) and adjust the map origin (volume dialog Features / Origin and Scale) to put the axis point at (0,0,0). I described this in more detail in my previous message: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/pipermail/chimera-users/2007-February/001313.html The output of the axis point will be included in the next Chimera snapshot due out in one to three weeks. The matrix you sent me had no rotation, just a translation by 52 along z. You will need to rotate the map copy before fitting to get a meaningful rotation axis point. In fact I suspect the accuracy will be increased for rotations near 180 degrees rather than small rotations (e.g. 30 degrees). Tom Albion Baucom wrote: > Thanks Tom. > > OK, here is my rotation matrix after following your instructions > > 0.99944468 -0.03326699 0.00190528 -0.09024247 > 0.03326443 0.99944566 0.00136109 0.10539160 > -0.00194951 -0.00129696 0.99999726 52.82194789 > > Sorry, I forgot how to compute the rotation axis vector from this > matrix ... its been awhile since I had to do that manually ... its > pretty simple if I remember right. > > Any code to automate this would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks again! > > Albion

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colorzone tool
by Jeff 07 Feb '07

07 Feb '07

would it be possible to allow 'color zone' to go past 30 A radius? -Jeff

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Hiding part of a marker set
by Tom Goddard 07 Feb '07

07 Feb '07

Hi Jeff, You can hide part of a marker set by selecting the markers you want to show (maybe using the select connected shortcut "sc" as described earlier) then use invert selection (main window menu Select / Invert, or shortcut "is"), then use path tracer menu entry Actions / Hide markers (or shortcut "ha" for hide atoms). Tom Jeff wrote: > I don't suppose there's a way to hide only a portion of a marker set > (just keep one filament visible out of 10, for instance) > > -Jeff

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Mac laptop benchmark
by Tom Goddard 07 Feb '07

07 Feb '07

Hi Jeff, I ran the Chimera benchmark tool on my new MacBook Pro and got scores: surface 543 mesh 545 contour 183 solid 256 recolor 132 But running hand tests I see the real surface/mesh scores should be 380. It appears the benchmark no longer is reporting correct scores either because a graphics driver optimization is speeding things up because the test image is not actually displayed, or Chimera code has changed (perhaps no longer guaranteeing the OpenGL buffers are swapped). Probably other scores on the Chimera benchmark web page are likewise inaccurate. This will have to be investigated. At any rate, actual surface rendering is about 65% faster than my Dell Precision M50. A test on a GeForce Go 7400 (aka Quadro NVS 120M) in a new Dell Lattitude D820 also gave erroneous scores, but hand testing gave surface rendering score 420 and horrible mesh (110) and solid (<20) numbers. Tom Jeff wrote: > could you run the benchmark on your mac? (I have run it on my > workstation, but forgot the scores; will do again and compare) > > -jeff

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NumPy in Chimera
by Tom Goddard 07 Feb '07

07 Feb '07

Hi Chimera Extension Writers, If you have written Chimera extensions that use Numeric Python you will need to convert them to instead use NumPy to work with future versions of Chimera. NumPy provides almost all the same routines as Numeric but some function and module names have changed. We are switching Chimera over from Numeric Python to NumPy and will have a Chimera snapshot out in one to three weeks that uses NumPy. We envision having a Chimera production release that uses NumPy in perhaps 3 months. The change was necessary because Numeric is no longer maintained. Numeric will no longer be included with Chimera because dynamic library name space collisions with NumPy occur on the Mac because of certain Chimera compilation options. The conversion of Chimera code was not much trouble, but we had to also convert third party packages that are included with Chimera (PyOpenGL, MMTK, Scientific (for netcdf file reading), MSMS molecular surfaces) and that took some work. Thanks for your patience. Tom

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Re: [Chimera-users] question about mac laptops / workstations and chimera stability
by Tom Goddard 06 Feb '07

06 Feb '07

Hi Jeff, I just got my MacBook Pro with 2 Gb memory and 160 Gb hard-drive yesterday. It's been working well with Chimera volume display, surface and solid. Performance is roughly a factor of two better than my 4 year old Dell Precision M50 with Quadro 4 GoGL 500 graphics (a very heavy machine, ~10lb). I just took a look at a 2k by 2k by 76 tomogram and performance was as expected. 2 Gb memory is adequate for my uses. I went for the 160 Gb harddrive instead of the 120 Gb since volume data and video can take some space. The 200 Gb option was a 4200 rpm drive which I suspect would be slower than the smaller 5200 rpm models so I avoided it. If you'd like to try my laptop before you order you are welcome to come over to my house in SF. Tom Jeff wrote: > Tom, > > is the base 2 GB memory sufficient, and do you have any reservations > regarding transfer speed from the harddrive? > > I am going to place an order, wanted to check with you first about > those 2 things before going ahead. > > (I figure, if you are developing on it, this is not a bad idea.) > > -Jeff

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Map Orientation for Symmetry Plug-in
by Albion Baucom 06 Feb '07

06 Feb '07

I am using the Symmetric Molecule Copies plug-in with Chimera. I am wondering if there is a preferred way to orient an EM volume so that it is centered around the z-axis at the origin. From my experience with this plug-in, symmetry related molecules are generated around z-axis at the origin of the viewing area. I am finding that my maps tend to be close, but not exactly oriented around the z-axis for a helical volume. Molecules fit into a portion of the map then tend to have slightly askew symmetry mates relative to the volume (presumably because the z-axis of the map is not exactly oriented along the origin of the symmetry z-axis). After playing around with various map tools (MAPMAN, Priism), I am still not satisfied with my orientation protocol and wonder if anyone can suggest a tried and true method for this. Thanks Albion

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Re: [Chimera-users] volume/3586 problem zoning out volume
by Thomas Goddard 06 Feb '07

06 Feb '07

Hi Jeff, To check the memory limits set by a bash shell use shell command "ulimit -a". For a csh use "limit". Here's an example on my Mac (no memory limit). Tom $ ulimit -a core file size (blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) 6144 file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files (-n) 256 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 1 stack size (kbytes, -s) 8192 cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes (-u) 100 virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited Jeff wrote: > I had forgotten about 4-byte floats versus 2-byte integers, > > you are right in that this is most likely a machine limitation, I was > surprised to get a fault and error about an allocation call. is there a > specific environment variable I should check to see if the shell is > limiting chimera's memory requests, I will change that if possible (?). > > -Jeff >

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rotation by a set angle
by Eva Vanamee 05 Feb '07

05 Feb '07

Hi, I am trying to make a figure of my EM fit at different orientations. Is it possible to rotate the molecule/map by a certain angle so I know exactly the rotation between views? Thanks in advance, - Eva

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Re: [Chimera-users] not able to 'transfer markers'
by Thomas Goddard 05 Feb '07

05 Feb '07

Hi Jeff, Menu entry "Actions / Transfer selected markers to current set" in the path tracer dialog moves the markers to the marker set chosen on the first line of the path tracer dialog. That should be the same as the one chosen in the marker set scrolling list (Features / Marker set list) unless that list has multiple sets selected. The error message "Markers in one set cannot link to markers in a different set" means you tried to transfer some markers to the current set but they were connected by at least one link to markers in another set. That is not supported. There is a command, keyboard shortcut "sc" that extends the current selection to all markers connected to currently selected ones. You'll need to turn on keyboard shortcuts with main window menu entry Tools / General Controls / Accelerators On. You can have them turned on by default every time you start Chimera using the Preferences dialog (menu Favorites / Preferences) category Tools and clicking the check button in the autostart column next to "Accelerators On". One possible confusion about hiding/showing markers is that if you have any markers selected then the Actions / Show & Hide menu entries act on those selected ones no matter what marker set they belong to. If there are no markers selected then those same menu entries act on all markers in the current marker set, that is the one chosen at the top of the path tracer dialog. The marker set scrolled list is used for closing multiple marker sets and for saving multiple marker sets. This may have been the problem when you could not close a marker set. It closed the one selected in the scrolled list which was different from the "current marker set" shown at the top of the path tracer dialog. When you change the current marker set menu it unfortunately does not clear the selected marker sets in the scrolled list. That is a bug. Let me know if you can reproduce the problem hiding/showing markers. Tom Jeff wrote: > hi Tom, > > using build 2318, if I select a series of markers, and then click > 'actions -> transfer selected markers to current set', it gives the > error 'Markers not transfered. Markers in one set cannot link to markers > in a different set.' when I did this, I assumed that the 'current set' > meant the one selected in the 'marker sets' dialog box in the volume > path tracer. > > is there a way for me to get around this? I had traced out a series of > actin filaments in one set, and for practical reasons want to be able to > show/hide each marker path that corresponds to a filament; the only way > I could think of doing this was to have each filament be a separate > marker file, unless there is a command that allows me to select a single > marker and then just 'display markers connected to selected marker' > (preferred, actually), as opposed to using the up-arrow, which selects > the entire set. > > after performing the 'transfer markers' request, I was no longer able to > show/unshow the marker sets. Also, when I closed a marker set, it was > still displayed. I shut down the session and recreated it from scratch. > I'll let you know if this show/unshow/close marker file issue occurs > again and under what circumstances; it would be hard for me to claim > that it was correlated to the 'transfer markers' command, I just know > that after that point in the session I could no longer show/unshow/close > the markers. > > thanks, > > -Jeff >

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PDB file format for movie
by Mingfeng Yang 05 Feb '07

05 Feb '07

Dear Chimera users and developers, I'd like to use chimera to view the motions of a protein. If all the snapshots are to be saved in a single PDB file, what's the correct format for them? I tried the following, but chimera complained that a single structure is included only. Thanks, Mingfeng ------------------ MODEL 1 ATOM 1 N ALA 1 -4.564 -7.956 -6.531 1.00 0.00 N ATOM 2 CA ALA 1 -5.237 -8.746 -5.532 1.00 0.00 C ATOM 3 C ALA 1 -4.360 -9.172 -4.378 1.00 0.00 C ... ATOM 81 HN ALA 10 0.195 11.398 3.736 1.00 0.00 H END MODEL 2 ATOM 1 N ALA 1 -5.031 -8.234 -5.174 1.00 0.00 N .... END

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Re: [Chimera-users] question about mac laptops / workstations and chimera stability
by Thomas Goddard 05 Feb '07

05 Feb '07

Hi Jeff, I have not seen any graphics driver bug reports with the MacBook Pro with X1600 graphics. I just ordered this machine to replace my four year old Dell with Quadro 4 graphics -- I am confident it will work well using volume data in Chimera. Here is our graphics driver bug page of problems observed with Chimera http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/graphicsbugs.html It only has about 1/3 of the driver bugs and I will be adding more from our Chimera bug tracking system when I have time. Tom

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volume path tracer / render surface with marker set
by Jeff 02 Feb '07

02 Feb '07

hello, is there a way to render a surface of arbitrary thickness using a marker set? as in, fit some sort of spline to a marker set, with the constraint being that the algorithm assumes they all lie on the same surface? this would be useful for modeling membranes, perhaps it is already implemented and I am not seeing it in the dialogs. thanks, -J

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Copying volume settings to a second data set
by Thomas Goddard 02 Feb '07

02 Feb '07

Hi Jeff, There is no capability to copy settings (thresholds, colors, brightness, display style, rendering options) that are specific to each volume data set to another data set. That would be useful and I'll add it to the feature request list. Here are some hacks to achieve this. I don't think they are worth the trouble to use but you can decide. If you save a Chimera session with a volume having settings you want to reuse you can edit the session file changing the line: 'path': 'F:\\cygwin\\home\\Tom\\work\\volume\\emd\\emd_1282.map', to 'path': 'F:\\cygwin\\home\\Tom\\work\\volume\\emd\\XXX.map', Then when you reopen that session Chimera will say it cannot find the map file and ask you to select a new map file with a file open dialog. You can choose some other map. The settings from the original map will then be applied to this newly opened map. Another hack is to use the Volume Series tool available on the experimental features web page: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/experimental/experimental.html You can open your maps that you want to use the same settings for as a "volume series". That tool copies settings when you use it to flip between volume in a series. It can even adjust thresholds so they have the same rank position on the histogram (e.g. greater than 94% of voxel values). Tom Jeff wrote: > thanks Tom, > > is there a way to save the thresholds (and color settings) in the > volume viewer, so that when I close a map and reopen a > similar/filtered one, I don't have to re-do all the settings > (brightness and transparency too, for instance) > > i realize the histrogram changes for each map, but even if it saved > how many control points (and their colors) were there, that would > work. is there a 'save volume viewer state' button? I could not find one. > > -Jeff >

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Question on how to represent only chain A of Chimera
by nsomboon＠berkeley.edu 02 Feb '07

02 Feb '07

Hi, I need help. I received the modeling structures of my query (black) and the best representative 1qopB (magenta) through MODWEB, and used Chimera to visualize them (please see attached file). However, the magenta structure also contains 1qopA, in which I only want the 1qopB and don't want the 1qopA. I read through tutorials but cannot find a way to get rid of the chain A of the 1qop. Hence, could you please direct me of how to cut out chain A of 1qop in this attached file? Thank you very much. Sincerely yours, Nara

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Saving modified PDB files
by Bernard Heymann 02 Feb '07

02 Feb '07

I have a problem saving PDB files relative to density maps in recent versions of Chimera. When I load a PDB file and move it relative to a density map, and then try to save it relative to the density map, it does not apply the transformation to the PDB coordinates. This used to work in older versions. My workaround is to have another molecule open and save the transformed one relative to that. However, I would prefer to be able to save a transformed molecule relative to a density map. Can this be fixed? Bernard Heymann, Research Fellow Rm 1515, 50 South Dr., MSC 8025, NIAMS, NIH Bethesda MD 20892-8025 Tel. 301-451-8241, Fax. 301-480-7629

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Chimera to visualize MOLDEN-generated VRML2.0 files
by Kalju Kahn 01 Feb '07

01 Feb '07

Dear Chimera users, I am looking for advice on how to make chimera work with VRML 2.0 files generated by MOLDEN. MOLDEN seems to generate valid VRML files (octagaplayer reads these in all right) but chimera crashes with Segmentation fault (core dumped) This happens both on 32-bit Suse 9 system and 64-bit recent Ubuntu system. Any ideas are appreciated! Kalju ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Kalju Kahn Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry University of California, Santa Barbara

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anyone using chimera on a an IBM T43p
by Jeff 01 Feb '07

01 Feb '07

hello, I have an IBM T43p (June '05 or so release) which has an ATI FireGL v3200 (Mobility). In XP, it isn't possible to try out drivers from the vendor, I am limited to drivers from IBM. In Linux, I have been able to install proprietary drivers from ATI, but there is no selection for the 'Mobility' version of the v3200 on ATI's website; the install has not complained though, and basic stuff appears to be fine (GUI is ok, glxgears, etc). In both XP and Linux, chimera will crash when attempting to use volume maps. It appears fine with pdb files, although I typically work with volume data so haven't rigorously tested that. I have been assuming that the FireGL v3200 (Mobility) is the same logic as the v3200, at least documentation I have been able to find seems to imply that. Does anyone know (or suggest) a chimera-stable driver version from ATI that I might test? I might at least be able to get it to work in Linux, as the driver suite downloaded from ATI appears to cover most late-generation cards. thanks for any suggestions, -Jeff

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Re: [Chimera-users] access to pdb parser
by Jean Didier Pie Marechal 01 Feb '07

01 Feb '07

Hi Eric, Well, the truth is that these are two good news. Most likely I didn't explain myself correctly. In reality, for practical reasons, I'd like to use only chimera for the teaching. So, I am planning to only use its internal python shell for python applications. Therefore the tips you gave me are perfect. Thanks a lot for the help! Cheers JD Dr. Jean-Didier Maréchal Professor Lector Unitat de Química Física Departament de Química Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona Edifici C.n. 08193 Cerdonyola (Barcelona) Tel: +34.935814988 e-mail: JeanDidier.Marechal(a)uab.es ----- Missatge original ----- De: Eric Pettersen <pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> Data: Dimecres, Gener 31, 2007 10:31 pm Assumpte: Re: [Chimera-users] access to pdb parser > Hi JD, > I have good news and I have bad news. The good news it that using > > PDBio to do what you want is pretty easy. The bad news is that you > > can't use it in a generic Python shell, only in Chimera's own > Python > shell. This is because we use a modified version of Python so that > > the types we define in the C++ layer (Molecule, etc.) can have > attributes added to them in the Python layer -- otherwise they > would > behave like the built-in Python types (dict, list. etc.) that can't > > have arbitrary attributes added to them. We intend to improve our > own code to make modifying Python unnecessary, but haven't gotten > to > it so far. > Nonetheless, you can basically use Chimera in place of a Python > interpreter. "chimera --nogui script.py" will execute the Python > script named script.py without bringing up the Chimera interface. > Also, you can start Chimera normally and bring up the graphical > interface to its interactive Python shell, IDLE (under Tools- > >General > Controls) and type Python commands to that. > Here's a session of me using PDBio in IDLE. I've added some > comments. > >>> from chimera import PDBio # import PDBio > >>> pdbio = PDBio() # create a PDBio instance > >>> mols = pdbio.readPDBfile("/mol/pdb/gc/pdb1gcn.ent") # read a > PDB file given its file name > >>> m = mols[0] # readPDBfile() returned a list of models (NMR > can > have many) so get the model itself > >>> m.pdbHeaders["HEADER"] # each model will have a pdbHeaders > dictionary, keyed by the record type, the values will be a list of > strings -- the PDB records > ['HEADER HORMONE 17-OCT-77 > 1GCN 1GCN 3'] > >>> > > --Eric > > On Jan 31, 2007, at 12:42 PM, Jean Didier Pie Marechal wrote: > > > Hi Eric, > > > > Yes, that would be better to explain more what I'd like to do. > > > > I am planning to give a practical on computational (bio)chemistry > > > in my department next year. I'd stongly like to have the students > > > using chimera and python as their main tools (though both are > tools > > I am in process of learning :-)). > > > > One of the "simple things" I have in mind, is to obtain pdb infos > > > directly from the shell e.g list the SEQRES entry or access to > the > > resolution (REMARK 2), the crystallization conditions etc. The > > students will be chemists and I think that from a didactic point > of > > view, obtaining infos from the python shell would be better that > > reading the pdb files, especially if we want to compare different > > > structures e.g. Writing a comand that gives you ALL the > resolutions > > of the 10 structures you loaded would be interesting. I looked at > > > the PDBio, but I can see how to catch REMARKS infos. > > > > I'd really like to have this work going on, but as you can see, I > > > am a bit lost in where to begin. > > > > Any help to tell me where to start would be fantastic! > > > > Cheers > > > > JD > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Jean-Didier Maréchal > > Professor Lector > > Unitat de Química Física > > Departament de Química > > Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona > > Edifici C.n. > > 08193 Cerdonyola (Barcelona) > > Tel: +34.935814988 > > e-mail: JeanDidier.Marechal(a)uab.es > > > > ----- Missatge original ----- > > De: Eric Pettersen <pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> > > Data: Dimarts, Gener 30, 2007 1:25 am > > Assumpte: Re: [Chimera-users] access to pdb parser > > > >> Hi JD, > >> Chimera does its PDB parsing in the C++ layer (the PDBio class in > >> > >> the Python layer). There is a file named PDB.py in the mmCIF- > >> parsing > >> module, but it's not for parsing PDB files. Perhaps if you > >> described > >> why you need Python PDB parsing I could suggest options -- using > >> PDBio possibly being one of them. > >> > >> --Eric > >> > >> Eric Pettersen > >> UCSF Computer Graphics Lab > >> pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu > >> > >> On Jan 29, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Jean Didier Pie Marechal wrote: > >> > >>> Hello everyone, > >>> > >>> a short question. What is the right call for importing the > >>> pdbparser module in the chimera python shell? I found the PDB.py > >> > >>> module in the site-package mmlib, but I don't know how to import > >> it...> > >>> Thanks a lot, > >>> > >>> JD > >>> > >>> > >>> Dr. Jean-Didier Maréchal > >>> Professor Lector > >>> Unitat de Química Física > >>> Departament de Química > >>> Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona > >>> Edifici C.n. > >>> 08193 Cerdonyola (Barcelona) > >>> Tel: +34.935814988 > >>> e-mail: JeanDidier.Marechal(a)uab.es > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Chimera-users mailing list > >>> Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > >>> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users > >> > >> > > > > > >

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TER Cards and Rainbow Colors
by Albion Baucom 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Is there any way to introduce TER records between breaks in a chain, and still have N->C coloring continuous through a single chain? I have for instance a structure with missing loops that were not observed in density. Therefore there are breaks in the main chain. This is a very common occurrence. To prevent spuriously long bonds I have introduced TER records between the breaks. Then when I apply rainbow coloring from N->C terminus I get the spectral coloring between TER records rather than from the beginning of the chain to the end. I tried the card BREAK, but evidently that is not interpreted by Chimera. Coloring by chain, or by model in the Rainbow panel does not produce the desired effect. Thanks Albion

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Re: [Chimera-users] access to pdb parser
by Eric Pettersen 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Hi JD, I have good news and I have bad news. The good news it that using PDBio to do what you want is pretty easy. The bad news is that you can't use it in a generic Python shell, only in Chimera's own Python shell. This is because we use a modified version of Python so that the types we define in the C++ layer (Molecule, etc.) can have attributes added to them in the Python layer -- otherwise they would behave like the built-in Python types (dict, list. etc.) that can't have arbitrary attributes added to them. We intend to improve our own code to make modifying Python unnecessary, but haven't gotten to it so far. Nonetheless, you can basically use Chimera in place of a Python interpreter. "chimera --nogui script.py" will execute the Python script named script.py without bringing up the Chimera interface. Also, you can start Chimera normally and bring up the graphical interface to its interactive Python shell, IDLE (under Tools->General Controls) and type Python commands to that. Here's a session of me using PDBio in IDLE. I've added some comments. >>> from chimera import PDBio # import PDBio >>> pdbio = PDBio() # create a PDBio instance >>> mols = pdbio.readPDBfile("/mol/pdb/gc/pdb1gcn.ent") # read a PDB file given its file name >>> m = mols[0] # readPDBfile() returned a list of models (NMR can have many) so get the model itself >>> m.pdbHeaders["HEADER"] # each model will have a pdbHeaders dictionary, keyed by the record type, the values will be a list of strings -- the PDB records ['HEADER HORMONE 17-OCT-77 1GCN 1GCN 3'] >>> --Eric On Jan 31, 2007, at 12:42 PM, Jean Didier Pie Marechal wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Yes, that would be better to explain more what I'd like to do. > > I am planning to give a practical on computational (bio)chemistry > in my department next year. I'd stongly like to have the students > using chimera and python as their main tools (though both are tools > I am in process of learning :-)). > > One of the "simple things" I have in mind, is to obtain pdb infos > directly from the shell e.g list the SEQRES entry or access to the > resolution (REMARK 2), the crystallization conditions etc. The > students will be chemists and I think that from a didactic point of > view, obtaining infos from the python shell would be better that > reading the pdb files, especially if we want to compare different > structures e.g. Writing a comand that gives you ALL the resolutions > of the 10 structures you loaded would be interesting. I looked at > the PDBio, but I can see how to catch REMARKS infos. > > I'd really like to have this work going on, but as you can see, I > am a bit lost in where to begin. > > Any help to tell me where to start would be fantastic! > > Cheers > > JD > > > > > Dr. Jean-Didier Maréchal > Professor Lector > Unitat de Química Física > Departament de Química > Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona > Edifici C.n. > 08193 Cerdonyola (Barcelona) > Tel: +34.935814988 > e-mail: JeanDidier.Marechal(a)uab.es > > ----- Missatge original ----- > De: Eric Pettersen <pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> > Data: Dimarts, Gener 30, 2007 1:25 am > Assumpte: Re: [Chimera-users] access to pdb parser > >> Hi JD, >> Chimera does its PDB parsing in the C++ layer (the PDBio class in >> >> the Python layer). There is a file named PDB.py in the mmCIF- >> parsing >> module, but it's not for parsing PDB files. Perhaps if you >> described >> why you need Python PDB parsing I could suggest options -- using >> PDBio possibly being one of them. >> >> --Eric >> >> Eric Pettersen >> UCSF Computer Graphics Lab >> pett(a)cgl.ucsf.edu >> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu >> >> On Jan 29, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Jean Didier Pie Marechal wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> a short question. What is the right call for importing the >>> pdbparser module in the chimera python shell? I found the PDB.py >> >>> module in the site-package mmlib, but I don't know how to import >> it...> >>> Thanks a lot, >>> >>> JD >>> >>> >>> Dr. Jean-Didier Maréchal >>> Professor Lector >>> Unitat de Química Física >>> Departament de Química >>> Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona >>> Edifici C.n. >>> 08193 Cerdonyola (Barcelona) >>> Tel: +34.935814988 >>> e-mail: JeanDidier.Marechal(a)uab.es >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chimera-users mailing list >>> Chimera-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu >>> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/listinfo/chimera-users >> >> > >

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Re: [Chimera-users] Update volume display without pressing show
by Thomas Goddard 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Hi Jeff, I also wasn't able to reproduce this problem. There is probably a real problem but some step that causes it is missing. If you figure out that step let me know. Tom Jeff wrote: > sorry about the confusion, > > what I meant by 'does not work', is that once I have loaded the volume > planes tool, it appears to not allow me to select 'update display > without pressing show'. (the button is depressed in the dialog box, or > i unclick/reclick it, but it no longer toggles 'update....w/o press > show' on and off). 2318 build. > > sequence: > > 1) load map; display with solid rendering. default is 'update w/o > press show', and you can see the effect of playing with histogram > update in realtime. > > 2) start volume planes. now requires me to press 'show' to update the > display. this also includes other volumes that vol planes is not used > on, and 'update w/o show' no longer works in surface or solid mode. > > 3) close volume planes, or close session. problem persists. > > 4) restart chimera, now it allows 'update..w/o press show' again. > > so, this happened to me twice, and i figured it was just something to > do with the volume planes tool. As I am writing this, I just re-did > the sequence above, and now it works (volume plane tool updates, can > switch to surface). Because I can no longer replicate this, I should > probably be ignored. Also, I just loaded one of the sessions I was > having a problem with into a new launch of chimera, thinking there > might be some sort of 'system/state snapshot' I could send you, but > now it is working too. So, it appears to have been fixed by a restart > of chimera. Again, please ignore. > > -Jeff

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Re: [Chimera-users] Update volume display without pressing show
by Thomas Goddard 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Hi Jeff, I tried the volume "update show" option in combination with volume planes and did not find an problem. Can you give me step by step instructions to produce the problem? Also I don't know what you mean by "does not work". Does it always update automatically, or never update automatically? What Chimera version? With the volume planes tool, the full map is still opened -- it is just display a subregion that is 1 plane high. Use Features / Region Bounds to see and change the subregion. Or use Features / Subregion Selection and press the Full button to get back to the full map. Also the volume planes dialog always acts on the volume displayed in the volume dialog. Perhaps it should have its own menu to choose the volume you want to show planes for. Tom Jeff wrote: > even if I close the volume planes tool, > > 'update display without pressing Show' no longer works (for instance, > adjusting the volume rendering histogram, or clicking 'surface' > rendering). if I close, then re-open the volume, it still doesn't > work. bug, or my version maybe? > > also, once you start 'volume planes tool', it only keeps track of the > plane it has pulled from the volume map - what used to be a > 100x100x100 volume is now 100x100x1; the volume viewer 'renames' the > map but does not save it out that way (which is good). is there a way > to be able to keep the full volume around, but not displayed? there > are reasons you might want to do that (well, I found myself trying to > do that), without having to re-open the volume. > > i did check to see if i could open 2 copies - one first to run 'volume > planes' on, and then one to subsample but have as a volume rendering, > for example. this works, as long as i don't accidentally touch the > 'volume planes' dialog when fooling with the second opened copy of the > volume. > > mainly just curious, not asking for additional functionality, just > wanted to let you know what I was trying and why. > > -Jeff > > > > Thomas Goddard wrote: >> Hi Jeff, >> >> The volume dialog data display option "Update display without >> pressing Show" only effect volume dialog features. It does not have >> any effect on the Volume Planes tool. The Volume Planes tool does >> not allow adjusting the plane number without updating the display. >> >> Tom >> >> >> Jeff wrote: >>> hi Tom, >>> >>> I have volume planes and precomputed subsamplings going, and the >>> 'update display without pressing Show' no longer works (keep >>> toggling on and off, but it doesn't have an effect) >>> >>> is there a way for me to 'refresh' the state of buttons like that? >>> >>> -Jeff >>

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Watershed segmentation of volumes
by Thomas Goddard 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Hi Jeff, There is no watershed or flood-fill type of method in Chimera for segmenting volume data. This is on our (very long) list of features to develop though. Tom Jeff wrote: > tom, > > i hate to keep piling on questions, but how hard would it be to have a > feature where one places a chimera marker, and then has some sort of > algorithm expand to 'fill' the space, kind of an isosurface problem > (or does this already exist) > > i have 'voids' in some of my maps (stained sections) which i think > correspond to protein, like one sees in negative stain (the positive > values/density in the map correspond to stain; an enclosed void > (density more or less = 0 or close to it) is thought to represent the > actual protein, which was covered in stain, kind of like 'magic shell' > on ice cream - or think of dairy queen cone, dipped in chocolate that > then solidifies), and would like some way to 'grow' a blob in the void > (or at least try) > > does this already exist? i have a buddy who does level set methods who > is often looking for ways to use his library, but i thought i should > ask you first if there is some functionality like this > > -jeff

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Quadro FX 1400/3450 performance
by Thomas Goddard 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Hi Maya, It must be exciting and alot of work to get your lab running. Glad to hear you are making Chimera converts. Graphics benchmark scores using Chimera with the quadro fx 1400 and quadro fx 3400 are shown here http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/benchmarks.html We don't have any numbers for the fx 3450 and I don't know if it is similar to the 3400. The 1400 and 3400 have very similar Chimera scores. The Chimera scores indicate how big a test volume can be handled at 10 frames per second. Both these cards are very fast. The one difference I see is that on the Nvidia web site they say the 1400 has 128 Mbytes of memory while the 3450 has 256 Mbytes. http://www.nvidia.com/page/qfx_mr.html http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadrofx.html (fx 3400) Maybe that info is out of date -- maybe there is a choice of memory size. On the Chimera page the fx 1400 had 256 Mb. And 128 Mbytes is small by today's standards. 256 Mbytes is common, and 512 Mbytes is available with some cards. The amount of graphics memory is most noticable if you use the Chimera "solid" rendering mode because it tries to put red,green,blue 8-bit values for the entire volume on the card. For 256^3 volume that is 48 Mbytes, or if you use Chimera 2-D textures mode (the default) it take 3 times that (144 Mbytes). It can also make a difference for very large contour surfaces -- ones you might use for making a figure but would be too slow for interactive rotating (e.g. 10 million triangles at about 18 bytes per triangle = 180 Mbytes). Regarding stereo, I'm not sure if there are any flat panel displays that can work with the LCD glasses. They don't refresh fast enough so there is too much flicker. So you either need a CRT display or maybe some special high-end flat panel. See you at the EMAN workshop. Maya Topf wrote: > Hi Tom, > > How are you? > I am slowly settling down in the UK. Lots of work and collaborations. > A few people from the EM group at birkbeck started using chimera and > they really like it! > > I have a question about graphics cards and maybe you can help me. > I am thinking about buying either NVIDIA QUADRO FX 1400 (stereo) or FX > 3450 (stereo). > Do you think that there is a big difference when I want > to visualise large maps with chimera for example? > > thanks, > Maya > > I saw that you are coming to the eman workshop so I guess I will see > you there! > Tom

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ViewDock descriptors problem
by "Воронков андрей" 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Dear Chimera users, I have ranked database from DOCK. I need to see energies of these structures and their ranking. I open them by View Dock, but in the field Column menu I can see only name field. Why I don't have energy field there and how can I get it? Respectively yours, Andrew PS "Descriptors can be shown in or removed from the upper panel using the Column menu." -this is from manual, but I can;t make shown any descriptos but the name of the structure

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Re: [Chimera-users] using a marker file to zone a volume from python prompt
by Thomas Goddard 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Hi Jeff, I added a user interface dialog for rotating and translating atom coordinates. Markers in Chimera are equivalent to atoms so it works on those. The rotation is specified in Euler angles. The new dialog, called Transform Molecule Coordinates, is available on the experimental features web page: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/experimental/experimental.html Tom Jeff wrote: > thanks Tom, > > much appreciated. how hard is it for me to write a dialog GUI to provide > 3 numerical inputs to the rotation script you forwarded me? (is it more > involved than a few lines? I am not familiar with Tkinter). > > don't want to bother you too much, if it is not a quick thing/response > feel free to punt, please. > > -jeff >

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Update volume display without pressing show
by Thomas Goddard 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Hi Jeff, The volume dialog data display option "Update display without pressing Show" only effect volume dialog features. It does not have any effect on the Volume Planes tool. The Volume Planes tool does not allow adjusting the plane number without updating the display. Tom Jeff wrote: > hi Tom, > > I have volume planes and precomputed subsamplings going, and the 'update > display without pressing Show' no longer works (keep toggling on and > off, but it doesn't have an effect) > > is there a way for me to 'refresh' the state of buttons like that? > > -Jeff

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Re: [Chimera-users] Representation of volume data in memory
by Thomas Goddard 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Hi Jeff, I suspect 2-byte integers are not faster to access or compute with then 4-byte floats on modern CPUs. But more of the map will fit into the CPUs cache which could improve bandwidth and could make computing a contour surface faster. But I don't think that will be significant. You would need to test it to know. Chimera keeps the native data type of the map to conserve memory when reading large maps. Tom Jeff wrote: > does this mean that a 2-byte integer format of a file will display > faster / render triangles faster than the equivalent sized 4-byte float > map? > > Thomas Goddard wrote: >> Hi Jeff, >> >> Chimera keeps volume data in memory using the same numeric value >> types that are present in the file, for example, 32-bit float, 16-bit >> integer, 8-bit integer. >> >> Volume data is copied only when necessary -- for instance, using the >> Gaussian Filter tool creates a floating point copy of the data since >> Gaussian convolution of integer data produces a floating point result. >> >> Tom >> >> >> Jeff wrote: >>> does chimera store all values as float internally (even if the >>> original map is in 2 byte integers), making the mode of the MRC file >>> irrelevant to chimera's performance? >>> >>> -jeff >>

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Re: [Chimera-users] zone tool and volume rendering
by Thomas Goddard 30 Jan '07

30 Jan '07

Hi Jeff, The Chimera handling of the MRC file origin position is done in Python code chimera/share/VolumeData/mrc/mrc_format.py In summary, if it is an MRC2000 file (ie has xorigin, yorigin, and zorigin header values) then (xorigin, yorigin, zorigin) is used as the xyz coordinates of the volume index (0,0,0) unless xorigin, yorigin and zorigin are all zero in which case the xyz position of the map index (0,0,0) is calculated using integer (ncstart, nrstart, nsstart) header values times the grid spacing (defined by (xlen/mx,ylen/my,zlen/mz)). It is never the case that both (ncstart,nrstart,nsstart) and (xorigin,yorigin,zorigin) are used in positioning the map. Tom Jeff wrote: > > I often use another tool to cut out subregions, that I then load into > chimera - until you told me recently, I did not know I could pre-load > subsampled maps, or be able to keep a 'subsampled overview' present > while selecting various regions > > when using other tools to cut out these smaller areas (either IMOD or > Priism), some tools record displacements, and some don't. the Priism > 'CopyRegion' tool appears to do this by adjusting the 'start pixel' > field in the MRC header. IMOD doesn't do this. the 'copyRegion' tool > also doesn't appear to transfer well to chimera, at least in my test > case the original and subvolume do not register properly. (I don't have > any expectation that it would work properly, but I would adapt if I knew > what chimera expects.) > > I am also not sure what entries chimera uses to keep track of > displacements when it cuts out volumes (I could do that experiment right > now), whether it uses 'start pixel' or 'origin', if 'origin' is recorded > in Angstroms or pixels, etc. Also, I don't know what chimera considers > the origin of a density map - if 'start pixel' is 10,10,10, the map is > 20x20x20 pixels in dim, and the origin is (0,0,0), is the origin at the > center of the map, or at the 0,0,0 pixel coordinate of the map? I have > been assuming that 'origin' has to refer to the map's origin location in > space, but this requires defining where the origin is in the volume map > (I think). if there is a 'start pixel' entry, does this effectively > shift the origin? As an example, if the pixel res is 10 A, will the map > example above now display starting at (10 A, 10 A, 10 A)? Or, is one > (or both) of these entries ignored? Finally, if there is already an > entry in one of these fields, does chimera respect that and just > increment, or does it clobber it with the relative displacement > calculated when excising a subvolume? (this slew of questions is > probably covered by a single answer, but I thought it would be good to > elaborate) > > If I knew, I could more appropriately jump between programs. As I am > writing this, I just got an email from David at Boulder telling me that > IMOD uses the origin entries in the header (but don't know yet what it > considers to be the origin, 'far left' corner or center or something else). > > -Jeff

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Precomputing subsampled map sizes
by Thomas Goddard 30 Jan '07

30 Jan '07

Hi Jeff, Yes, Chimera will complain and not allow precomputed volume subsamples if the size of the subsample grid is not what is expected. In the case you give (1434,1434,110) with subsample grid of size (358,358,26) the subsample grid size is not acceptable. Notice that 4 times the subsample size is (1432, 1432, 104) So a half size bins in the first two dimensions are left off (1434 - 1432 = 2) -- that is fine. But the third dimension is missing 1.5 bins (110 - 104 = 6). The subsample file should have size 27 in the third dimension, ie (358,358,27). I don't know why squeezevol from IMOD dropped off more than a whole bin in the third dimension. Chimera allows fractional bins to be dropped off, but does not allow whole bins to be missing. Tom Jeff wrote: > hi again, > > is there a problem with the precomputed subsamplings needing even > dimensions (I pre-cut my volume to even dimensions so that a binning of > 2 would result in a whole number for the subsampled dimensions, but it > can be hard to do this for a factor of 8 in advance). > > chimera is complaining to me about bad dimensions ('Data foo.mrc of size > (358,358,26) not a valid size for dubsamples of foo.mrc of size > (1434,1434,110). > > is there a program you use to bin / get around this problem? I use > 'squeezevol' from IMOD, I am not sure if it is completely transparent in > its output for what chimera would expect > > -j

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Representation of volume data in memory
by Thomas Goddard 30 Jan '07

30 Jan '07

Hi Jeff, Chimera keeps volume data in memory using the same numeric value types that are present in the file, for example, 32-bit float, 16-bit integer, 8-bit integer. Volume data is copied only when necessary -- for instance, using the Gaussian Filter tool creates a floating point copy of the data since Gaussian convolution of integer data produces a floating point result. Tom Jeff wrote: > does chimera store all values as float internally (even if the original > map is in 2 byte integers), making the mode of the MRC file irrelevant > to chimera's performance? > > -jeff

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