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Creating a virtual atom n Chimerax
by svle＠tiscali.it 14 May '25

14 May '25

HI, I want to draw a pseudobond between a real atom and the centroid of six carbon atoms. How it is possible define a virtual or pseudo atom with the coordinates of the centroid as one of the ends of the psudobond? Thanks. Saverio

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Problem using pbond
by svle＠tiscali.it 14 May '25

14 May '25

Hi, I would like to use pbond with a pair of atoms. For one of these it is available the model number , the chain ID and the atom serial number. How it is possible to give the atom specification ,having the previous three information, for using it in pbond? Thanks. Saverio

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Re: cif file from pdb-ihm, the integrative structure
by Yaowang Li 13 May '25

13 May '25

Agreed, but has information on proteins and AAs yaowang From: Tom Goddard <goddard(a)sonic.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2025 9:37 AM To: Yaowang Li <liyaowang2911(a)163.com> Subject: Re: [chimerax-users] cif file from pdb-ihm, the integrative structure Molstar is showing a tube through the beads of the coarse grain model. Tom On May 13, 2025, at 6:28 PM, Yaowang Li <liyaowang2911(a)163.com <mailto:liyaowang2911@163.com> > wrote: Hi Tom The chimerax indeed can open the file, and I succeeded in opening it yesterday, same as you showed. Although the molstar program displays the atomic model, it is hard to analyze. Yaowang <image001.png> From: Tom Goddard < <mailto:goddard@sonic.net> goddard(a)sonic.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2025 9:17 AM To: Yaowang Li < <mailto:liyaowang2911@163.com> liyaowang2911(a)163.com> Cc: Ben Webb < <mailto:ben@salilab.org> ben(a)salilab.org>; ChimeraX Users Help < <mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> chimerax-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> Subject: Re: [chimerax-users] cif file from pdb-ihm, the integrative structure Hi Yaowang, You can open the 8zza IHM model in ChimeraX using open 8zza from pdbdev If you get tomorrow's ChimeraX 1.10 release candidate or daily build you could also use open 8zza from pdbihm I just added the database name "pdbihm" because pdbdev was the development name of the IHM repository and is being phased out. As Ben said 8zza is a coarse grain model. Although you will see spheres in the model they do not represent individual atoms. The may represent whole residues or large subunits. Tom IHM 8zza shown in ChimeraX: <image003.jpg> On May 13, 2025, at 6:08 PM, Yaowang Li < <mailto:liyaowang2911@163.com> liyaowang2911(a)163.com> wrote: Hi, Ben and Tom Thank you for your help. “Real structural model” is not the right expression; I mean an atomic model. There should be an atomic model that was generated from the coarse-grained model, and the molstar program on the IHM website can display its atomic model. So it will be perfect that I can open it in Chimerax for viewing this complex structure. In short, I just want to get the atomic model, not the coarse-grained model. Best wishes, Yaowang From: <mailto:chimerax-users-bounces+liyaowang2911=163.com@cgl.ucsf.edu> chimerax-users-bounces+liyaowang2911=163.com(a)cgl.ucsf.edu < <mailto:chimerax-users-bounces+liyaowang2911=163.com@cgl.ucsf.edu> chimerax-users-bounces+liyaowang2911=163.com(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> On Behalf Of Tom Goddard via ChimeraX-users Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2025 2:01 AM To: <mailto:liyaowang2911@163.com> liyaowang2911(a)163.com Cc: <mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> chimerax-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu Subject: [chimerax-users] Re: cif file from pdb-ihm, the integrative structure Hi Yaowang, As Ben points out 8zza is an integrative hybrid model (IHM). Unfortunately the PDB gives ChimeraX a file with suffix ".cif" for 8zza that does not use the atomic model mmcif dictionary. ChimeraX would need to look at the contents of the file to decide that it is using the IHM dictionary. Currently ChimeraX identifies file types using the file suffix ".cif". That is why it says "No mmCIF models found" when you open this file. I've made a ChimeraX bug report to see if we can improve this <https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/17661> https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/17661 ChimeraX is able to read the IHM files. So if you download the 8zza.cif file and open it in ChimeraX with "open ~/Downloads/8zza.cif format ihm" it will show you the coarse grain model. Tom On May 13, 2025, at 8:58 AM, Ben Webb via ChimeraX-users < <mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> chimerax-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote: On 5/13/25 7:33 AM, Yaowang Li via ChimeraX-users wrote: I am trying to analyze the structures that were deposited in the <https://pdb-ihm.org/> https://pdb-ihm.org< <https://pdb-ihm.org/> https://pdb-ihm.org> Such as the entry: 8zza [...] which is a coarse-grained model, instead of a real structural model consisting of atom coordinates. Could anyone help me figure it out? 8zza is a model of the yeast nuclear pore complex. As you have observed, it is a coarse-grained model, not atomic. I'm not sure what you mean by "real structural model" but the resolution of the data in 2018 was such that only a coarse-grained structure was possible. That's what was deposited and that's what ChimeraX will show you. What are you trying to do? Ben -- <mailto:ben@salilab.org> ben(a)salilab.org <https://salilab.org/~ben/> https://salilab.org/~ben/ "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle _______________________________________________ ChimeraX-users mailing list -- <mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> chimerax-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu To unsubscribe send an email to <mailto:chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu> chimerax-users-leave(a)cgl.ucsf.edu Archives: <https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/> https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/

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Re: cif file from pdb-ihm, the integrative structure
by Tom Goddard 13 May '25

13 May '25

Hi Yaowang, You can open the 8zza IHM model in ChimeraX using open 8zza from pdbdev If you get tomorrow's ChimeraX 1.10 release candidate or daily build you could also use open 8zza from pdbihm I just added the database name "pdbihm" because pdbdev was the development name of the IHM repository and is being phased out. As Ben said 8zza is a coarse grain model. Although you will see spheres in the model they do not represent individual atoms. The may represent whole residues or large subunits. Tom IHM 8zza shown in ChimeraX: > On May 13, 2025, at 6:08 PM, Yaowang Li <liyaowang2911(a)163.com> wrote: > > Hi, Ben and Tom > > Thank you for your help. > > “Real structural model” is not the right expression; I mean an atomic model. There should be an atomic model that was generated from the coarse-grained model, and the molstar program on the IHM website can display its atomic model. So it will be perfect that I can open it in Chimerax for viewing this complex structure. > In short, I just want to get the atomic model, not the coarse-grained model. > > > Best wishes, > > Yaowang > > > > > From: chimerax-users-bounces+liyaowang2911=163.com(a)cgl.ucsf.edu <chimerax-users-bounces+liyaowang2911=163.com(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> On Behalf Of Tom Goddard via ChimeraX-users > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2025 2:01 AM > To: liyaowang2911(a)163.com > Cc: chimerax-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > Subject: [chimerax-users] Re: cif file from pdb-ihm, the integrative structure > > Hi Yaowang, > > As Ben points out 8zza is an integrative hybrid model (IHM). Unfortunately the PDB gives ChimeraX a file with suffix ".cif" for 8zza that does not use the atomic model mmcif dictionary. ChimeraX would need to look at the contents of the file to decide that it is using the IHM dictionary. Currently ChimeraX identifies file types using the file suffix ".cif". That is why it says "No mmCIF models found" when you open this file. I've made a ChimeraX bug report to see if we can improve this > > https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/ticket/17661 > > ChimeraX is able to read the IHM files. So if you download the 8zza.cif file and open it in ChimeraX with "open ~/Downloads/8zza.cif format ihm" it will show you the coarse grain model. > > Tom > > > > >> On May 13, 2025, at 8:58 AM, Ben Webb via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu <mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu>> wrote: >> >> On 5/13/25 7:33 AM, Yaowang Li via ChimeraX-users wrote: >> >>> I am trying to analyze the structures that were deposited in the https://pdb-ihm.org <https://pdb-ihm.org/><https://pdb-ihm.org <https://pdb-ihm.org/>> >>> Such as the entry: 8zza [...] which is a coarse-grained model, >>> instead of a real structural model consisting of atom coordinates. >>> Could anyone help me figure it out? >> >> 8zza is a model of the yeast nuclear pore complex. As you have observed, >> it is a coarse-grained model, not atomic. I'm not sure what you mean by >> "real structural model" but the resolution of the data in 2018 was such >> that only a coarse-grained structure was possible. That's what was >> deposited and that's what ChimeraX will show you. What are you trying to do? >> >> Ben >> -- >> ben(a)salilab.org <mailto:ben@salilab.org> https://salilab.org/~ben/ >> "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." >> - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu <mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> >> To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave(a)cgl.ucsf.edu <mailto:chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu> >> Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/ >>

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cif file from pdb-ihm, the integrative structure
by Yaowang Li 13 May '25

13 May '25

Dear all, I am trying to analyze the structures that were deposited in the https://pdb-ihm.org Such as the entry: 8zza The chimeraX (version 1.7 to 1.10) cannot read the CIF file with warning information warning No mmCIF models found. While it succeeded in opening it after adding the option format ihm. But they are the start model, restraints, and results, which is a coarse-grained model, instead of a real structural model consisting of atom coordinates. Could anyone help me figure it out? Best wishes

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Re: Samsung 27" Odyssey 3D G90XF 4K 165Hz Monitor
by Tom Goddard 12 May '25

12 May '25

Hi Gökhan, The Samsung web page you referenced says the monitor is $3000, the same price as the Acer 27", and the Samsung also uses eye-tracking so it will probably only work for one person. The Sony and Acer displays both use OpenXR and eye tracking. This is good and bad. The good part is as you move your head to the side you see the side of the rendered objects. The bad is that most 3D applications do not support OpenXR unless they are VR applications. In contrast the Samsung uses side-by-side video input. That allows it to work with any 3D application that supports that common 3D format. Here's a description on Reddit talking about side-by-side input with the Samsung. (Unfortunately the Samsung manual does not say much.) https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1k8wnqa/samsung_odyssey_3d_g90xf… The drawback of the Samsung approach is that the monitor has no way to tell the application (e.g. ChimeraX) that your head has moved to the side (that is what OpenXR does). So when you move your head to the side you just see the same view direction of the 3D object only skewed. It's not a disaster, you can rotate the molecule if you want to see it from the side. The Samsung manual says only Windows is supported since they include some crappy software that runs on your Windows machine. I'm not sure if it is needed to handle side-by-side input. I'd love to see the Samsung display. It uses a 4K panel like the Sony and Acer. Like those displays it must be using a lenticular grating to send some pixels to your left eye and some to your right eye so the actual resolution in 3D is more like HD (2K). Still that is pretty good. (With old technology LCD shutter glasses you would get full 4K resolution since the two eye images use all screen pixels and just alternate in time.) If I had one of these displays I think I could make ChimeraX render full-screen side-by-side. Since you can't drag the ChimeraX graphics into a separate window I would try to add code to create a separate window and render to it as an option. My lab does not have money to spare to buy such a display (NIH funding problems), so don't expect to work on this. Tom > On May 7, 2025, at 11:19 PM, <tolung.bio(a)gmail.com> <tolung.bio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > This Samsung is less than half the price (27” for 2K USD) compared to the SONY in the review. > > Let me know if you can score one of these to test/develop for :) > > Cheers, > > Gökhan > > > From: Tom Goddard <goddard(a)sonic.net> > Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2025 8:45 AM > To: tolung.bio(a)gmail.com > Cc: chimerax-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu > Subject: Re: [chimerax-users] Samsung 27" Odyssey 3D G90XF 4K 165Hz Monitor > > Hi Gökhan, > > There is no ChimeraX capability to make the graphics pane full screen, so it will not work with a 3D display that wants full-screen side-by-side stereo format. The graphics pane is not a docked panel like the other ChimeraX tools. The ChimeraX main window is a Qt QMainWindow which treats that center area specially and it cannot be detached into a floating window. I'm not sure how hard it would be to allow that. > > We are also working on glasses-free eye-tracked 3D displays such as the Sony Spatial Reality and Acer SpatialLabs displays. They use OpenXR and only work on Windows and only with 1 person viewing, and costly $3000-5000, so they have some limitations. Here's a description of trying the Sony 3D display with ChimeraX > > https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimerax/data/sony3d-mar2025/sony3d.html > > Tom > > > >> On May 7, 2025, at 12:24 AM, Gokhan via ChimeraX-users <chimerax-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu <mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu>> wrote: >> >> Hello ChimeraX team and users, >> >> Does ChimeraX support this monitor? >> >> https://www.samsung.com/au/monitors/gaming/odyssey-3d-g90xf-27-inch-165hz-u… >> >> I read a very positive review about this monitor and may consider buying one if it works with ChimeraX. >> >> The review says that this monitor needs a full-screen side-by-side output. Just as many of the sub-windows of ChimeraX can be docked and undocked (e.g., log, Models, etc.), is there way to ‘undock’ the main graphics window to make it full screen? Or, is there a way to display the graphics window on a secondary monitor as a full-screen output? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gökhan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ChimeraX-users mailing list -- chimerax-users(a)cgl.ucsf.edu <mailto:chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu> >> To unsubscribe send an email to chimerax-users-leave(a)cgl.ucsf.edu <mailto:chimerax-users-leave@cgl.ucsf.edu> >> Archives: https://mail.cgl.ucsf.edu/mailman/archives/list/chimerax-users@cgl.ucsf.edu/

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Samsung 27" Odyssey 3D G90XF 4K 165Hz Monitor
by tolung.bio＠gmail.com 07 May '25

07 May '25

Hello ChimeraX team and users, Does ChimeraX support this monitor? https://www.samsung.com/au/monitors/gaming/odyssey-3d-g90xf-27-inch-165hz-uh d-ls27fg900xexxy/?srsltid=AfmBOopLIkVAywsvNylPGVRL3wUoUJuBvUOPOz0metBjwLM2Nn xgmQVf I read a very positive review about this monitor and may consider buying one if it works with ChimeraX. The review says that this monitor needs a full-screen side-by-side output. Just as many of the sub-windows of ChimeraX can be docked and undocked (e.g., log, Models, etc.), is there way to undock the main graphics window to make it full screen? Or, is there a way to display the graphics window on a secondary monitor as a full-screen output? Thanks, Gökhan

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including HET atoms in kvfinder calculations from ChimeraX
by Elaine Meng 07 May '25

07 May '25

> On May 7, 2025, at 2:01 AM, Mühleip, Alexander <alexander.muhleip(a)helsinki.fi> wrote: > > Hi Elaine, > > I am checking out the new kvfinder tool in ChimeraX. I was wondering if there is some way to prevent it from disregarding heteroatoms in the cavity search (in my eyes, e.g. excluding hemes is not helpful). I tried changing the selection syntax, but I think the pruning is taking place internally in kvfinder. > > Is there some way to interfere with it or make an ignore option (like the isolde implementation in chimerax has)? > > Best wishes, > Alex > > Alexander Mühleip > group leader > HiLIFE-Institute of Biotechnology > University of Helsinki > Finland > +358503282167 Hi Alex, Generally it's better to ask on the chimerax-users list, since as the resident non-programmer I often don't know implementation details. I CC'd the list in case others may also be interested in this topic. After consultation with the programmer who implemented this tool, we could not think of any current workaround. It uses the "main" category of atoms (definition in link below) which is automatically assigned cannot be manually overwritten. <https://rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimerax/docs/user/commands/atomspec.html#surfcats> However, we can consider this a request for enhancement that might be added in the future. Best wishes, Elaine ----- Elaine C. Meng, Ph.D. UCSF Chimera(X) team Resource for Biocomputing, Visualization, and Informatics Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry University of California, San Francisco

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Options to align two models and calculate per-residue RMSD
by christian.steinmetzger＠imbim.uu.se 07 May '25

07 May '25

Dear ChimeraX users, I'm working with some different ribosome structures which I first want to align to a reference structure (as rigid bodies) and then calculate RMSD values with respect to the reference. The number of chains are the same between my structures and the reference, and the chain names + residue numbers are congruent as well. However, some of my chains have residues missing or added at the ends, have a small number of insertions (using insertion codes in the pdb file) or point mutations. What I have tried so far is: "matchmaker #2 to #1 pairing ss show true" "save file.defattr #2 attrName r:seq_rmsd modelIds false" (to store the resulting RMSD values for later use) which aligns based on CA for protein chains and C4' for RNA. I haven't given any explicit chain specification (each model has 56 chains). Am I correct to think that the RMSD values I get are based on a whole-structure rigid-body alignment that takes all chains into account simultaneously? Or does it align each chain in #2 to its matching chain in #1 individually? For the proteins I think per-residue CA-RMSD values are suitable for what I need, but for the RNA chains I would like to get per-residue all-atom RMSDs, not just C4'. Can this be achieved with matchmaker? I have also tried to use the align command like this: "align #2 toAtoms #1 each structure matchChainIds true matchNumbering true" which, to my understanding, would do the alignment not just based on CA/C4', but for all atoms. Is that correct? With this, what would be the best way to extract per-residue RMSD values? The "rmsd" command rightfully complains about unequal numbers of atoms between #1 and #2. Is there a way to implicitly select only the atoms that are congruent between #1 and #2? Kind regards, Christian

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RMSD for all frames in a trajectory
by Alexandra Zahradnikova 07 May '25

07 May '25

Dear All, I am working with a trajectory of a tetramer. I would like to align the A chains in all frame of the trajectory and then calculate the rmsd of all chains in all frames relative to the respective chain of the first frame (i.e., align only chains A but calculate for all chains), and write the results to a text file. Is that possible? I can do a similar calculation with a script in old Chimera but don’t know how to do it in ChimeraX. I attach the zipped script for old Chimera. Best regards Sasha

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